That might be the dumbest way I have ever seen a team lose a game.
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Totally unbelievable!! That Qb shoud’ve been left in Nashville lol
All they had to do was have either the qb or the punter run to back of end zone and take a safety. Literally all they had to do.
He didn't even use both hands to cover the football.
Yeah, that’s totally on the coaches not preparing then players
I’m sorry but I’m benching the QB for this. No way could you be trusted to run an offense when you’re this stupid.
So you're saying that the QB waited until there were 7 seconds on the clock so fix a game? He better be glad his own team didn't recover the fumble or those gamblers would have been looking for him.
Coach: Son, there’s only one possible way we can lose this game …fumble in the end zone …so just do literally anything else and we win.
QB: You got it, Coach!
QB: You got it, Coach!
Some of you have got a lot to learn about fixing games.
I made the comment in the game thread…. That was a true Kentucky football kind of play from back in the day. It’s games like that that get a coach fired.
The dropped TD pass (which likely was a fumble) by UK on Saturday was a very Kentucky football kind of play. The fact that a) Stein didn't let that get them down and b) the receiver who dropped it came back and had a huge day showed me that we might be in a new era of UK football.
I'm going to try to argue the other side of this one (it's not easy).
QB knew he had to run off 6 seconds. One-one thousand, Two-one thousand........ That feels like an eternity when you KNOW that Vandy gets the ball with another shot if you fail to run it off. If he had run out the back of the end zone, or just fell on the ball, there could have still been time on the clock.
That being said, there are lots of things he shoulda coulda woulda done. Even holding it for a couple seconds and then throwing a ball way out of bounds would have burned 6 seconds.
And as others have said- just keep two hands on the ball. Sheesh what a bonehead play.
QB knew he had to run off 6 seconds. One-one thousand, Two-one thousand........ That feels like an eternity when you KNOW that Vandy gets the ball with another shot if you fail to run it off. If he had run out the back of the end zone, or just fell on the ball, there could have still been time on the clock.
That being said, there are lots of things he shoulda coulda woulda done. Even holding it for a couple seconds and then throwing a ball way out of bounds would have burned 6 seconds.
And as others have said- just keep two hands on the ball. Sheesh what a bonehead play.
Originally I thought it they should have punted it, but there's a new rule this year that if you fair catch a punt you can have an uncontested free kick from the spot for a field goal. Meaning, let's say they punted it and Vandy caught it at the 40. If they did a fair catch, they could kick a field goal from the 40 without the chance of getting it blocked. I still think it would have taken more than 6 seconds to do that, but whatever.
If you were to just tell your QB to run it out of the end zone, worst case they have one more play from probably their own 35. I'll take my chances with that.
I swear, it’s the only logical thing. The ability for all these players to bet on themselves and props now so easily is crazy.
I would have ran in circles before I did what he did. I would have chucked that MF 19 rows deep into the sideline.
So what. They would have still been ahead after the safety with 1-2 seconds left. The ensuing kick to Vandy would have run out the clock (unless they ran it back for a TD).
If you are going to fix a game as a QB, you throw behind your receiver on an out route that gets returned for a TD in the middle of the 2nd quarter. Short arm a key 3rd down pass. Hand the ball off to your running back wrong so they fumble. You don't hope the game is close with 6 seconds left and do that.
No, it’s not “logical” that a fix would happen in such a blatantly conspicuous way on the final play of the game. Fixers know better than to make it that obvious. When fixing happens it’s usually done in subtle ways that are hard for fans to detect.
I remember Hedake Smith describing how he did this in that documentary on the 90s ASU point shaving scandal. Whenever ASU got too big of a lead, he’d do little things …like step out of of position on defense, delay his passes for a split second so the defender had time to catch up, pass to guys in spots where he knows they’ll miss, etc. …until the lead fell back within the point spread.
And afterward ASU fans had no clue that their star point guard had been shaving points throughout the game. It might even look like he played a good game (he’d still get his points), and ASU often still won those games (but not by the spread).
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I agree that generally that is true, but come on now, all he had to do was run out of the back of the end zone. I just don’t see this happening in a normal circumstance. It makes no sense.
Which honestly I can't refute that. But that's what it would take. That's a hard deal to pull off in real time.Maybe he was live betting it?
He coulda done a lot of things...but fumbling to the other team in the end zone, ain't one of them. Literally, he coulda done ANYTHING else and they almost certainly win..and cover the spread. This ain't peewee league. If ya don't understand the assignment, say so. He had one freaking job....DON'T FUMBLE THE BALL! Throw it, run out of the end zone, fall down, and yeah, run around with both hands on the ball was another option but it was way down the list of smart ones. Bottom line, if the coach told him to kill time in the end zone, it's on him for telling him that without maybe..just maybe...mentioning...DON'T FUMBLE THE F'N BALL! There's just so much wrong with how that transpired that it's hard to simply blame it on stupidity. Too many things had to happen..or not happen, to make that crap happen! If it was all on the QB for being the absolute dumbest qb on the planet...I hope the team gang beat his *** for it after the game. Know the assignment! This ain't peewee league! These guys are very literally professional football players and the QB is often one of the smartest guys on the team. Come on!
The coach was asking him to do something very unnatural: run around in the end zone and try to not go down for six seconds. He got hit weird too which is what caused the fumble, again by being in an unnatural position.
If I were ranking what they should have done there, here's the order in which I'm doing it:
- Do not take the delay of game penalty and just punt the football from the 10 yard line with ~7 seconds left. More than likely the clock will run out on the punt.
- Take the delay of game penalty and punt the ball from the 5 yard line with ~7 seconds left. Again, the clock will likely run out.
- Just go take the safety by running out of the back of the end zone. Burn about 3 seconds doing it, kick from the 20 and try to stop them for one play.
- The riskiest: have your wide receivers run go patterns and throw a bomb all the way down the field but slightly out of bounds. Eliminates the potential of an intentional grounding.
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