Sorry for my gay opinion, dawg. I prefer the 2 year rule, bruh.
Thon Maker declares for NBA draft
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Sorry for my gay opinion, dawg. I prefer the 2 year rule, bruh.
people prefer a 2 year rule...then when everyone leaves after 2 years...people will hate that too
Did you...............Did you just come out to me?
Only John Wall on that list would have been affected by this, as he was 19 the calander year of the draft. This is essentially a challenge on what constitutes your highschool graduating class for 5th year seniors.
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I can't say that I'm surprised at this move by Thon Maker and his people.
Also . . . I agree with "wild mandu" that "Cal will not get the absolute best of the best when he has 3-4 starters returning every year" . . . or even "2 or 3 starters."
Also . . . I agree with "wild mandu" that "Cal will not get the absolute best of the best when he has 3-4 starters returning every year" . . . or even "2 or 3 starters."
I know nothing about Fox beyond what I've read on this board, but I can't in my wildest dreams imagine that a Freshman Fox would start at PG over a Junior Ulis. All I can say is . . . if folks expect that, then Fox must truly be All-World.
Basketball is almost like baseball anyway. Look at the empty arenas at unranked, non traditional basketball teams games. Look at some of the baseball arenas. Some are empty and some kinda full. I have no idea about the tv ratings
When Mudiay went to China, a quarter of our fans thought it would set a precedent as well.
We sure do look for things to worry about.
We sure do look for things to worry about.
Well, I at least applaud him for not going to Kansas and getting stuck on the bench for a few seasons.
Kansas suddenly won't have Maker, Selden, or "Diallo-Diallo bills ya'll".
That's frigging beautiful. Even with Jackson, they'll have taken a step back next year.
Skal is exactly why it will never go back to straight out of high school.
Yeah it's kinda wild that agents essentially run the player's union and are blocking a 2 year rule. Adam Silver LOVES the one year rule and desperately wants it to go to two. But any change to the CBA is a contentious fight.
they wont get much production from their front court that is for sure. its going to be mason and graham chuckin up shots mostly
Why not (at least for basketball)?
Golfers can do it, baseball players can do it, tennis players can do it. so can soccer players. You telling me that if Bill Gates sees genius in your HS senior at the science fair and offers him/her a 7 figure salary to come work for him, you're saying no you can't do that. And then you consider the poverty some of these kids come from, and how a single 3 year guaranteed contract is life changing for them and their family; it is inhumane to not allow kids to enter the draft out of high school. At least for basketball. Is it the smart thing to do in every case? No! But we have become too much of a society for not expecting/allowing people to make decisions for themselves, and face the consequences (good or bad) for those decisions.
Now I can understand an age delay in football, where you don't want boys against grown-***-men in a sport where knocking the other guy senseless is allowed and encouraged. There is the occasional exception (H.Walker) where a kid out of HS is physically ready to play with men, but that is rare.
Because it has nothing to do with fairness and everything to do with economics. Once you reframe the way youre looking at it, it all makes alot more sense.
If Maker is allowed to stay in the draft, he'll almost certainly be top 5. Teams would be dumb to pass on drafting him in this incredibly weak draft.
The athletic, high volume rebounding and versatile big man, who prepped for the last two years at Mono (Ontario) Orangeville Prep, faces questions about his eligibility for the draft.
According to sources close to Maker, he has not yet filed paperwork with the NBA to see if he is eligible for the Draft. That is expected to happen within the week.
Rivals.com spoke with several NBA sources on Sunday night, and it's unknown whether Maker is seeking eligibility based on him being considered an International player or if he will argue that he graduated in the spring of 2015. Either way, he's going to test the process.
Should Maker be declared ineligible for the Draft, his next move is unclear. He visited Kansas and UNLV officially in March and had scheduled April visits for Arizona State and Notre Dame. Whether he will look to take those visits and head to college or explore playing professionally overseas remains unclear.
In the meantime, a source close to Maker confirmed to Rivals that he will begin to prepare for the Draft by working out with NBA workout guru Drew Hanlen of Pure Sweat. NBA sources have told Rivals that as of right now they would slot him anywhere from the latter part of the lottery to top 20 in the first round.
Should Maker be declared Draft eligible, it could open the doors to more "prep" school prospects looking into their eligibility.
https://basketballrecruiting.n.rivals.com/news/starting-five-maker-to-test-nba-draft-waters
According to sources close to Maker, he has not yet filed paperwork with the NBA to see if he is eligible for the Draft. That is expected to happen within the week.
Rivals.com spoke with several NBA sources on Sunday night, and it's unknown whether Maker is seeking eligibility based on him being considered an International player or if he will argue that he graduated in the spring of 2015. Either way, he's going to test the process.
Should Maker be declared ineligible for the Draft, his next move is unclear. He visited Kansas and UNLV officially in March and had scheduled April visits for Arizona State and Notre Dame. Whether he will look to take those visits and head to college or explore playing professionally overseas remains unclear.
In the meantime, a source close to Maker confirmed to Rivals that he will begin to prepare for the Draft by working out with NBA workout guru Drew Hanlen of Pure Sweat. NBA sources have told Rivals that as of right now they would slot him anywhere from the latter part of the lottery to top 20 in the first round.
Should Maker be declared Draft eligible, it could open the doors to more "prep" school prospects looking into their eligibility.
https://basketballrecruiting.n.rivals.com/news/starting-five-maker-to-test-nba-draft-waters
Anyone who's paid attention has seen this coming for a while now - rumor last year was the kid
couldn't qualify anywhere...not even @ UNCheat Crapall Hell.
couldn't qualify anywhere...not even @ UNCheat Crapall Hell.
The NBA is going to make a decision on it but he may actually be. He's 19 and a year removed from high school because he went to prep school. So he never played college but he's a unique case. It may end up setting a new precedent because nobody has done this yet since the OAD rule came into effect.
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Is that a precedent the NBA wants to set though? More dark horses entering the draft that teams really know nothing about what they are getting.
IF they allow it and that's a huge IF. I think it's overwhelming likely they will say it's because he is an international player. They aren't going to allow American kids to go to prep school for a year bypass College and be eligible. The entire point of the 1 year rule was that teams need saving from themselves and the NBA wanted to see what the players could do against 1 year of college level competition. They undermine that by allowing the prep school route. So IF he is allowed it will be because he is an international player.
Yes it would appear so....international player just finishing a 5th year at a prep school.
Are they expected to make a ruling soon? If so, I wonder if Cal will tell Gabriel to put his name in. I sure hope not.
well the nba draft is jun 23rd so before that i suppose. but in makers case i fully expect him to have dealings with agents/sponsors. even if the NBA shoots it down...maker still might be able to claim himself as an intentional player and be draft eligible.
my guess is that guys already committed wont consider it this year.
Can you or anyone else expound on how his handlers were a train wreck or shady? I'm not at all saying that's not the case but I am interested on what they've done for this to be mentioned by several posters.
TIA
Come on....almost EVERY job in America has prerequisites. There is no problem with sports having them as well.
Requiring these kids to be a little more mature than an 18 year old isn't a problem.
If you can't get a contract at 20, thst you would have at 18, you didn't deserve it anyways and is exactly the reason they have these requirements.
Hell, you can't even get some sales jobs without a degree, but you should be given million dollar contacts without the company making you prove yourself at a level higher than highschool? Inhumane, smh
Just an add on..
.. they should also be required to take a money management course or something like it. This would help all these bankrupt former athletes that got a ton of money at 18 actually keep the money and not end up at the same position as before
.. they should also be required to take a money management course or something like it. This would help all these bankrupt former athletes that got a ton of money at 18 actually keep the money and not end up at the same position as before
Just off the top of my head.
a.). Matt Jones said multiple times on his radio show that Thon's handlers ran the biggest circus he's ever seen in a recruitment. This was a big reason Cal stopped recruiting him for the longest time. Way too many people involved. All looking for a handout. Just riding the kid until the wheels fall off.
b.) The kid didn't get recruited like his handlers had hoped last year after everyone had cooled on him(mix of handlers and a string of poor performances.). About this same time, Skal and Diallo had blown up on the circuit. So his handlers decide to reclassify Thon to have an extra year to develop. Now, a year later, instead of going to college, he's going to go pro? Thon has essentially declared for a draft he may not even be eligible for. And he may not even be eligible for college either.
Like I said. Train wreck.
I believe Gabriel would only be eligible to enter draft under the "1 year removed, 19 year old" scenario but not by being determined an "international player." I'm working on a link, but I believe the "international" label is dropped once a player enrolls in and plays at an American school.
So Maker would actually be okay to enter the draft (if allowed) by either route. However Gabriel would only be allowed under the "1 year removed/19" route.
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Thanks for the info!!!! Really good stuff!! It's fairly unprecedented for a 5th year prep player to have their stock skyrocket to the point they could be lottery like Gabriel because normally you only go 5th year at prep school is because you didn't get any D-1 offers after 4 years and you believe that extra year could get you a schlorship offer.
I obviously didnt do well enough explaining my context.
You are I totally agree with the 2 year rule and Cal cannot change things now.
I was simply addressing your comment on kids should be able to go pro right out of school right now, and i may have misunderstood that.
You have joined in mid-conversation, this is not regarding the 19 year old rule, we are discussing straight to league out of high school like it used to be.
NBA owners do not want it and I can appreciate that. As a business owner I want what is best for my business and less risk.
As a UK fan it would be terrible if the old straight to the NBA rule was reestablished now without the 2 year rule accompanying it.
His freak show of a recruitment is why Kansas was the only blue blood program that was even trying to recruit him. No shocker that his gandlers are hoping to fill his pockets sooner rather than later. The sooner you fill em, the sooner you can empty em.