There's a war going on....
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The messaging from the White House has been confusing at best. Gas prices have sky rocketed. We have spent billions on this war already. Previous experience indicates this will drag on for a long time. Boots on the ground is a definite possibility.
it is not the job of the News to be a cheerleader for either side of the aisle. To act like everything about this war is roses and sunshine is loony tunes. I hope it ends up being one of the greatest things we have ever done, but I don’t want a news service that is basically taunting everything that our president has done as being spotless and wonderful. That hasn’t gone well, historically.
it’s okay to question the president. It’s not “treason” or “fake news”.
saying we need to crack down on the press or make them dependent on the government is scary as hell.
Independent of party, if we don't stop bending the knee to Israel, and start focusing on US interests, we will keep having these kinds of things happen in the middle east. This is not an isolationist take. We are in a global economy. We should recognize that and understand where the US can best succeed in the world we live in today.
Free speech should be held accountable.
You have mainstream media who goes as far as they legally can to lie. And many Americans don’t know better.
it happens on left media and right media but the media in this country is heavily favored to the left from a reach standpoint.
You're absolutely correct DCD. Problem is far too many Americans are pansies and pushing them to the brink of starvation and economic collapse is gonna take a while. Americans are near sighted and want instant, simple fixes to complicated issues. What's the old saying, "no pain, no gain".
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They really don’t have a functioning government at this point.
dropping bombs costs money and potentially collateral damage.
the blockade is making them poor as 17 and the Iranian people need to step the 17 up!
Yes the blockade is putting the most pressure on Iran then China and Europe.
Eventually that will create enough pressure to get Iran to play ball.
Right. Either side of the aisle, but especially not foreign countries, even if that lines up with your domestic political allies.
Nobody has asked for sunshine pumping (well, probably Trump has; who knows; he says lots of ****). But it'd be nice to be able to read an article by a major news organization in the US and be more informed than misinformed.
Who has said that? I'm sure some crazies out there and even some politicians, but we don't have a major risk of that right now because the party the press is generally aligned against still is home to the vast majority of the few remaining free speech advocates.
And many Americans would rather root for Iran than see trump succeed at something that is good for the USA and the world.
The error in your thinking is there is a single accepted pro-American viewpoint.
Depending on what ideals people value most, two opposing views can be both seen as 'pro-American'.
Those pesky jews.**** If only we could resist their wily machinations.*****
How did they ever sucker us into believing it would be bad for Iranians to get nukes, just because they call us the Great Satan and chant death to america and fund a bunch of proxy terrorists. Only the Obama administration and the leftovers running the Biden administration could resist Benji's jew magic and determine that a nuclear Iran would be good for the US.
This is stupid. Only a person being stupid would think this.
No **** sherlock. Only a stupid person would think otherwise. But that doesn't mean that there aren't positions, people, and institutions that are anti-american.
Where the hell are the kurds? It's their time to step up. The way the radical Islamic regime has treated them over the years you'd think they'd be all in to fight a weakened IRG.
What are you rolling your eyes at?
Everything I posted in the 3 groups of bullet points is accurate. All that has been said, often multiple times, but Trump and high up Admin spokespeople.
It is conflicting and confusing, but it has all been said. Sometimes, conflicting comments are made in the same day or even by the same person.
Total 180 claims.
If you rolled your eyes at my personal opinion about whether boots on the group will be necessary, I welcome you to type out a comment that better expresses what you disagree with and what is more correct or a better suggestion.
this is the stalemate. you will see a pie chart soon of what once was Iran and USA will get some of that, as will other countries. we will most likely see military food rations air dropped in June, guessing this is already being staged nearby.
what makes you think we have not been in a war with Iran for the last 50 years? I point to the Iran embassy in the USA, which is located in Switzerland....
Sorry that wasn't clear. My fault.
Of course I want a free press. What I see coming from the traditional, entrenched (and yes, heavily left leaning) outlets is just a lockstep anti Trump position on basically every single thing he does.
I realize we've never had any semblance of an unbiased press, but what's going on now from the old networks and the other major old line news outlets is so coordinated and anti-American in some cases it feels almost treasonous. They openly root for Iran to have wins so trump has to capitulate.
Of course there are way more sources now and differing opinions, which is great. But the constant drumbeat of the ones with the biggest loudspeakers does move opinions, and it feels like pure propaganda.
You are coming at this with the view that our creating this was is American or pro-American.
That is the conclusion to draw when you say being critical of the claimed success is anti-American.
My prior post was apparently obvious, yet based on what you claimed, it seemed necessary to say.
I'm seeing a lot of people confident that there is uranium to be found. Is this the same uranium Saddam also definitely had?
Yes, Iran is under the thumb of a ****** regime. Sounds more like a problem for Iranians and their neighbors, but not us. I long for the days we stop acting as World Police and mind our own business.
Yes, Iran is under the thumb of a ****** regime. Sounds more like a problem for Iranians and their neighbors, but not us. I long for the days we stop acting as World Police and mind our own business.
Reality. Reality says we haven't been in a half century long war with Iran.
lack of oil is a international security concern, the entire world is lazy and here we go again where the only ones that will do anything is US
We are overextended around the world no doubt.
But I also think we, as the obvious Superpower on this planet have a responsibility to deal with blatant criminals running countries that are rich in natural resources. I still believe we are the best of a ragged bunch on this planet and we can't let blatant criminality go unchecked.
And yes, I know it's rampant in this country as well. Love to fix that too, but I'm just one man.
Not sure what this was supposed to say. "Creating this war" maybe? If so, I'm 100% not doing that and other than projecting, there is no reasonable interpretation that would get you there.
I didn't say being critical of claimed success is antiamerican. You can report on facts without being pro or antiamerican. You can issue opeds without being pro or antiamerican. Or you can issue opeds that are very critical while still being pro-american.
No, it didn't, to anybody but you, and you only thought that because you are either projecting or because you were just being stupid (notice I am not calling you stupid). There are plenty of intellectually honest opinions going in just about any direction on the war based on any number of different considerations, whether it be economic, humanitarian, political from a global perspective, political from a domestic perspective, etc. We mostly don't get that from our traditional press outlets.
I think this is very possible.
But I'm still rooting for us and the world to get a little good fortune here and for this regime to get replaced by something at least a little better.
Indeed, it's ok to question the president, but holy hell the media treats Trump like dog$#!t and helps instigate the anger, hysteria and drama directed at him obsessively around the clock. It's why the media seemingly hates America, because they MUST make sure to convey the message that Trump is a massive failure....even if that means insinuating or outright admitting that the US is a massive failure. Blame Trump for EVERYTHING.
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Exactly.
The striking thing to me is the videos of how he was treated by certain press and press adjacent people before he was a serious politician and now. The agenda is so obvious now that he stepped into the actual power structure. They lost their minds.
Certainly possible. But it's also possible he's going to move US philosophy from what seemed to be an incredibly stupid philosophy where we somehow weren't allowed to just assert our will and get out. Will be an interesting test case if we just drop the blockade and go back to business as usual unless and until we get actionable intelligence on them getting the nuclear program back off the ground. All the policy leaders were so convinced we can't just leave a power vacuum behind, but it doesn't seem obvious to me. Certainly we will create some ill will (which we already have), but I am interested to see an approach that is basically "be as ****** as you want as long as you don't negatively impact the US". The you broke you bought it analogy always seemed stupid. I like the approach of you FA'd, you FO. We punished the leaders involved and now we're done unless and until you start FA'ing again. I get the concern that it will just turn into an escalating tit for tat situation, but not to the extent I want to have decade long occupations and/or ignore terrorist acts against US citizens and interests. It seems just as likely we will get either benign regime change or terrible leaders that are self-interested enough that they want to focus their shittiness on their subjects, not the US.
I think it's going to take more than an economic blockade to change things. The people actually in control in Iran appear to be the religious fanatics in the Revolutionary Guard. I don't think economic turmoil will move them at all. You have to remember they see it as their religious mission to provoke a world wide apocalypse.
Iran not getting a bomb or having control of Hormuz is 100% in American interest. Either would be a disaster for America.
Very unlikely unfortunately. Economic arguments don't work well on people who want to provoke an apocalypse.
You said the American press and American institutions are awful and largely anti-American.
Your justification for that accusation is something I disagree with.
I don't think how the war is reported or if the war is supported is an 'American vs anti-American' issue.
It seemed like you viewed it as being just that. Thank you for clarifying.
I’m guessing they are waiting for the right time and I’m also not sure we want them in control
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