There's a war going on....

[DoggieDaddy13]

Trying to focus on MSU baseball and the little lady - maybe not in that order or maybe in that order.

Like to see if anyone wants to offer any reasonable commentary or not-so-off-the-17n wall hot takes on where we think this is going. After the first week, I got the bad feeling this might not go so well.

Now it looks like it's getting worse and that boots on the ground is our only real option if we expect to win. Also seems like backing out now is not possible or we potentially kiss all our alliances and assets in the middle east goodbye.

Like the Hitchhiker in a hailstorm - "Can't run, can't hide, and can't make it stop."

P.S. And don't get all pissynbutthurt if people don't see things like you want'em to. Just read/or not and move on.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

My gut tells me to lock this now but I'll give it a minute and see how long it takes to devolve.

 

[Bulldog Bruce]

My gut tells me to lock this now but I'll give it a minute and see how long it takes to devolve.

My thought also. Just lock it up before the peanut gallery comments.

 

[vhdawg]

My gut tells me to lock this now but I'll give it a minute and see how long it takes to devolve.

Your and idiot

 

[Chesusdog]

Should have never gave you Israelis money!

 

[Lucifer Morningstar]

 

[CochiseCowbell]

My gut tells me to lock this now but I'll give it a minute and see how long it takes to devolve.

Wait, not until we find out who wins; MSU Baseball or the little lady.

 

[She Mate Me]

I've been wait and see since the start. I'm no Trump nut, but saw the other recent options as frankly ridiculous so I've patriotically been rooting for him.

I think this Iranian criminal enterprise that despises us has to be dealt with before it creates a huge problem for the world. I have major doubts that Trump has all the qualities needed to get us through this, but at least he's got backbone. His ego is 17'n exhausting and dangerous. Always has been.

But what we call a free press these days is now just a liability to our country, as is the party not currently in power. Unfortunately the party in power isn't much better, but at least they're not insane on a number of positions.

There, lock it up.

 

[Dawgbite]

The little lady will always win. It the ******, there’s no vaginas in baseball. Well may last year but not this year.

 

[Shmuley]

Trying to focus on MSU baseball and the little lady - maybe not in that order or maybe in that order.

Like to see if anyone wants to offer any reasonable commentary or not-so-off-the-17n wall hot takes on where we think this is going. After the first week, I got the bad feeling this might not go so well.

Now it looks like it's getting worse and that boots on the ground is our only real option if we expect to win. Also seems like backing out now is not possible or we potentially kiss all our alliances and assets in the middle east goodbye.

Like the Hitchhiker in a hailstorm - "Can't run, can't hide, and can't make it stop."

P.S. And don't get all pissynbutthurt if people don't see things like you want'em to. Just read/or not and move on.

If you read The Art of the Deal from cover to cover, you will find zero references or relevance to negotiations with apocalyptic death cults. His games just don't work with people who have nothing to lose. The nuclear material cannot be secured without boots on the ground.

 

[HailStout]

Wait, not until we find out who wins; MSU Baseball or the little lady.

Does the little lady ever not win?

 

[Son_of_34]

Morons or millionaires

 

[HailStout]

It’s a war in the Middle East. Every one of those I have seen in the past goes well with us having no regrets on the other side and with no consequences down the road.

now Geordi laforge this beeyotch

 

[DoggieDaddy13]

So that we don't get it locked lets try to leave the party affiliations out for a little while anyways.

I'm asking strictly about the war itself and where we're headed.

And between the ball club and the little lady: It's all about crossing home plate. Meaning: she can always pull me away from the game...

If she's in the mood.

But I think she likes baseball season.

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

Depends on what Benjamin Netanyahu wants, but likely boots on the ground. I hope Trump finds a spine and doesn’t do that, but doubt it.

 

[wmb24]

I just hope baseball has more bombs.

In before the lock, new here, hope that’s how it works.

 

[She Mate Me]

If you read The Art of the Deal from cover to cover, you will find zero references or relevance to negotiations with apocalyptic death cults. His games just don't work with people who have nothing to lose. The nuclear material cannot be secured without boots on the ground.

They definitely have something to lose, their lives, as has been proven. And while some of them are zealots, I highly doubt all of them are. There are probably lots of operators in that government who don't want to die for their "cause".

 

[DoggieDaddy13]

If you read The Art of the Deal from cover to cover, you will find zero references or relevance to negotiations with apocalyptic death cults. His games just don't work with people who have nothing to lose. The nuclear material cannot be secured without boots on the ground.

I agree that boots on the ground has got to happen if we think we are going to secure all the uranium. I mean, if that really is the expectation. Apparently, reports say they could produce as many as a couple of dozen nuclear weapons and deliver them anywhere in the middle east.

But to get to their underground facility and secure it would take about twice as many soldiers as we put on the ground in Iraq. That's close to 750,000 men. That's inviting a lot of casualties.

 

[John Deaux VII]

If you read The Art of the Deal from cover to cover, you will find zero references or relevance to negotiations with apocalyptic death cults. His games just don't work with people who have nothing to lose. The nuclear material cannot be secured without boots on the ground.

I’ve been thinking we are perhaps using the cease fire and blockade as biding time and cover for preparation of some type special opps operation to seize the uranium or perhaps finding a way to locate and eliminate some of the remaining hardliners.

 

[Pre-Sh.tter]

I try to abstain from politics, and I have not believed anything about what is being sold for the reason of the war, but this little snippet from Victor Davis Hanson is pretty thoughtful. I know he leans heavy right, but he's well respected in academia and as a historian. Worth a look

 

[She Mate Me]

I think the economic death grip we're putting on them is the only thing that has a possibility of getting something momentous done without boots on the ground.

This **** is always about money and power no matter what the religious zealots say. They want the power and they want the money and they want to be entrenched in both. That's why they want the nuke.

Cutting off as much of that oil money as possible for as long as possible is crucial. Our problem is what it always is. We're always worried about the next election cycle. So Iran's standard strategy of lying their asses off and stalling might just work again.

 

[mstateglfr]

- It isnt a war because it already ended.
- It isnt a war because it was only ever a 'military operation'.
- It was a war because we won many times over the last month.
All are happening at once, somehow.

- the Strait never closed.
- the Strait was reopened and oil is moving through without issue.
- the Strait was reopened and barely any oil is moving through it.
All are happening at once, somehow.

- Iran has 2 weeks to accept our terms otherwise we are going to obliterate all their bridges and powerplants. They already agreed, but if they dont agree agree...just wait for April 22nd!
- Iran has an indefinite amount of time to negotiate, never agreed and instead agreed to stuff that is the opposite of what was demanded, and the ceasefire continues because we are trying diplomacy after destruction.
All are happening at once, somehow.




Genuine thoughts on the issue...
- if the goal is to get nuke material out, then it seems like boots on the ground is the only way...unless some other country wants to go get that stuff for us.
- if the goal is to overthrow the still existing regime and install democratic elections, then it seems like boots on the ground is the only way...unless some other country wants to be there for years to come instead of us.

If the goal is something besides the two results above, we may not need boots on the ground.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

Economicly Iran is at the brink. They aren’t moving enough oil to make a difference and it’s going to catch up with them.

 

[Shmuley]

I’ve been thinking we are perhaps using the cease fire and blockade as biding time and cover for preparation of some type special opps operation to seize the uranium or perhaps finding a way to locate and eliminate some of the remaining hardliners.

^^^ This. I predict a combo operation involving CIA/Mossad, US Special Forces/Elite IDF SOF (Yahalom).

 

[BossDawg78]

They are rapidly running low on available oil storage capacity due to the blockade. It has paralyzed Iran's exports and they have at most ~22 days of unused storage remaining before it reaches "tank tops," which is a critical point that will probably force a shutdown. They are also losing around $500 million a day and are having problems paying what little military personnel they have left, on top of a fractured chain-of-command and depleted military assets. It's getting worse by the day for Iran. At some point they are gonna HAVE to come to the table to negotiate in a REALISTIC manner.

 

[POTUS]

I’ve been thinking we are perhaps using the cease fire and blockade as biding time and cover for preparation of some type special opps operation to seize the uranium or perhaps finding a way to locate and eliminate some of the remaining hardliners.

Maduro would agree I think.

 

[grinningmule]

Glfr at a party is much like Glfr on a message board.

 

[dickiedawg]

But what we call a free press these days is now just a liability to our country, as is the party not currently in power. Unfortunately the party in power isn't much better, but at least they're not insane on a number of positions.

Are you saying the right to free press is a liability? Or simply lamenting the quality of media in this country?
If any part of the solution is "limit the free press," then I have to disagree.

 

[HailStout]

Glfr at a party is much like Glfr on a message board.

 

[Bulldog Bruce]

Glfr at a party is much like Glfr on a message board.

Is Glfr Bluto or Stephen Bishop?

 

[grinningmule]

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[grinningmule]

Is Glfr Bluto or Stephen Bishop?

Haha.. Definitely Bishop, Bluto is everyone else

 

[Colonel Angus.sixpack]

Why did we stop bombing them? I say drop bombs till they get shell shocked and can’t function as a government. Carpet bomb those bàstards. I’m not one for settling scores usually but if anyone is owed a score settling, it’s Iran.

 

[johnson86-1]

Trying to focus on MSU baseball and the little lady - maybe not in that order or maybe in that order.

Like to see if anyone wants to offer any reasonable commentary or not-so-off-the-17n wall hot takes on where we think this is going. After the first week, I got the bad feeling this might not go so well.

Now it looks like it's getting worse and that boots on the ground is our only real option if we expect to win. Also seems like backing out now is not possible or we potentially kiss all our alliances and assets in the middle east goodbye.

Like the Hitchhiker in a hailstorm - "Can't run, can't hide, and can't make it stop."

P.S. And don't get all pissynbutthurt if people don't see things like you want'em to. Just read/or not and move on.

Why would we put boots on the ground instead of just continuing to blockade? It's a little painful for consumers, but way more painful for Europe and Asia. Unless we can't maintain a blockade (in which case we have bigger problems), the status quo seems fine compared to both letting Iran pursue nukes and boots on the ground.

 

[GloryDawg]

My money is on the B52's

 

[johnson86-1]

Are you saying the right to free press is a liability? Or simply lamenting the quality of media in this country?
If any part of the solution is "limit the free press," then I have to disagree.

The "free" press is working for the otherside. They've been talking about a quagmire after like 7 days and beat that drum until it became clear it wasn't really gaining traction. The biggest asset and basically only hope the regime has is to turn domestic politics quickly, and the press has unsurprisingly been on board with that since approximately day one.

Recognizing that doesn't lead to a conclusion that there should be some sort of government action. It's just acknowledging reality. Our press and institutions are awful and largely anti-american. Only way to change it is to build alternative media sources up and also create new institutions, or tear the existing ones down to the extent they are taxpayer funded (which a lot of them are, directly or indirectly).

 

[paindonthurt]

Trying to focus on MSU baseball and the little lady - maybe not in that order or maybe in that order.

Like to see if anyone wants to offer any reasonable commentary or not-so-off-the-17n wall hot takes on where we think this is going. After the first week, I got the bad feeling this might not go so well.

Now it looks like it's getting worse and that boots on the ground is our only real option if we expect to win. Also seems like backing out now is not possible or we potentially kiss all our alliances and assets in the middle east goodbye.

Like the Hitchhiker in a hailstorm - "Can't run, can't hide, and can't make it stop."

P.S. And don't get all pissynbutthurt if people don't see things like you want'em to. Just read/or not and move on.

Iran is going broke by the day. They can’t handle a blockade for another 3 or 4 weeks much less 6 months.

neither can China. China is using lots of reserve oil and paying higher cost than normal bc they can’t buy cheap from Iran or Venezuela.

hang tight. Endure high gas prices for 6 months more at the most.

 

[vhdawg]

- It isnt a war because it already ended.
- It isnt a war because it was only ever a 'military operation'.
- It was a war because we won many times over the last month.
All are happening at once, somehow.

- the Strait never closed.
- the Strait was reopened and oil is moving through without issue.
- the Strait was reopened and barely any oil is moving through it.
All are happening at once, somehow.

- Iran has 2 weeks to accept our terms otherwise we are going to obliterate all their bridges and powerplants. They already agreed, but if they dont agree agree...just wait for April 22nd!
- Iran has an indefinite amount of time to negotiate, never agreed and instead agreed to stuff that is the opposite of what was demanded, and the ceasefire continues because we are trying diplomacy after destruction.
All are happening at once, somehow.

I think you just postulated Schroedinger's War

 

[paindonthurt]

If you read The Art of the Deal from cover to cover, you will find zero references or relevance to negotiations with apocalyptic death cults. His games just don't work with people who have nothing to lose. The nuclear material cannot be secured without boots on the ground.

But if their economy tanks enough hopefully the Iranian people will do something.

I’m not against a small contingent of boots on the ground for a limited amount of time either.

For reference, I also don’t think Iraq or Afghanistan were the wrong thing to do. Staying for so long without clear goal was wrong.

 

[paindonthurt]

Depends on what Benjamin Netanyahu wants, but likely boots on the ground. I hope Trump finds a spine and doesn’t do that, but doubt it.