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[Ghost of Dattier]

I agree. I do think he is one of the few that believes in Nationalism over Globalism. I’m beginning to lose patience though, but I do believe he has a plan. We’re just going to have to let it play out. I think he’s trying to bring back jobs to the U.S, but can we find enough people that want to work?

Quite the pivot at the end there.
People want to work. Let's not scapegoat some mythical welfare class that is supposedly ruining everything for everyone while billionaires get richer and working class folks move closer to needing welfare. The poor aren't lazy. They're not the enemy. They're scrappy; they're gritty; they're hustlers. Overwhelmingly, the people who don't wanna work are Boomers and the uber-wealthy. Understandably so, but at the expense of the rest of us. They're doing just fine hoarding more and more.

Is nationalism really that viable anymore? The world has learned some positive things from us over the last century, just like European basketball. Earth is a cooperative venture. Pulling out of WHO, pulling out of climate change pacts, threatening to leave NATO, imposing tariffs on everyone... the whole "America First" mindset ignores that we need allies and that we're making ourselves more isolated. It could be that putting America first means embracing more of an ensemble role. We'll still get plenty of solos, but we need the world more than they need us. Think Wilt Chamberlain: it's no coincidence that the only times he won championships were seasons where his personal stats weren't as amazing and gaudy. Are we going for top superstar country in a failing world or do we want to go for still being the top all-star country in a thriving world?

Also, I'll pass the rock to @KDSTONE regarding the very term 'globalism.' I don't have to score all the points, after all.

 

[dukesince91]

Quite the pivot at the end there.
People want to work. Let's not scapegoat some mythical welfare class that is supposedly ruining everything for everyone while billionaires get richer and working class folks move closer to needing welfare. The poor aren't lazy. They're not the enemy. They're scrappy; they're gritty; they're hustlers. Overwhelmingly, the people who don't wanna work are Boomers and the uber-wealthy. Understandably so, but at the expense of the rest of us. They're doing just fine hoarding more and more.

Is nationalism really that viable anymore? The world has learned some positive things from us over the last century, just like European basketball. Earth is a cooperative venture. Pulling out of WHO, pulling out of climate change pacts, threatening to leave NATO, imposing tariffs on everyone... the whole "America First" mindset ignores that we need allies and that we're making ourselves more isolated. It could be that putting America first means embracing more of an ensemble role. We'll still get plenty of solos, but we need the world more than they need us. Think Wilt Chamberlain: it's no coincidence that the only times he won championships were seasons where his personal stats weren't as amazing and gaudy. Are we going for top superstar country in a failing world or do we want to go for still being the top all-star country in a thriving world?

Also, I'll pass the rock to @KDSTONE regarding the very term 'globalism.' I don't have to score all the points, after all.

People want to work, yeah right. I guess that’s why every where I look there are signs saying now hiring. Maybe it’s our younger generation that doesn’t want to work. You use to see teenagers working in the grocery stores and restaurants for part time jobs, now it’s mostly our elder folks. We don’t have as many “poor” people in this country that choose to work. The government through decades has incentivized people to go on welfare and play the system. I know, I know, Socialism is the answer to make everyone equal. That’s just going to get rid of the middle class. Now we will have the rich and the poor. I know you are against capitalism, but I would rather keep it and be poor here than poor in a socialist country. I’m not here to score points like you. I don’t need to try to feel superior to others. You must have been bullied as a child. I feel sorry for you Datt.

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

People want to work, yeah right. I guess that’s why every where I look there are signs saying now hiring. Maybe it’s our younger generation that doesn’t want to work. You use to see teenagers working in the grocery stores and restaurants for part time jobs, now it’s mostly our elder folks. We don’t have as many “poor” people in this country that choose to work. The government through decades has incentivized people to go on welfare and play the system. I know, I know, Socialism is the answer to make everyone equal. That’s just going to get rid of the middle class. Now we will have the rich and the poor. I know you are against capitalism, but I would rather keep it and be poor here than poor in a socialist country. I’m not here to score points like you. I don’t need to try to feel superior to others. You must have been bullied as a child. I feel sorry for you Datt.

"Everywhere I look" is completely anecdotal.

The federal minimum wage was last changed in 2009. Since then, inflation has risen a little more than 50%. The average cost of a home has risen by over 120%. Income inequality continues to grow. You think people just don't want to work. How is it not much more reasonable to conclude that the jobs that are available are exploitative and people won't accept that? Why does it make more sense that millions of people are lazy than that a handful of people are greedy? From what I've read, countries that institute a UBI don't see any statistically significant drop in the workforce. That's because the overwhelming majority of people want to work. Look at you: you're retired, but you still work parttime, and I would imagine you also have other hobbies and interests that keep you busy. Being idle takes a toll on your mental health. We all need purpose, and for the great, great majority of us, that includes work.

There's no denying that interest in socialism has risen, whatever we may think of that. There's also no denying that the ACA has allowed more people to leave the workforce. That's a good thing. I liken it to how women entering the workforce en masse has a correlation with the rising divorce rate. Some people -- almost exclusively conservatives -- like to blame that on the women in the workforce. In truth, financial independence has allowed women to leave bad marriages they were financially trapped in before. That's also a good thing. It's not the change that's to blame; it's the change that exposes a pre-existing problem. The rising interest in socialism and the apparently large number of job openings are not a sign that people don't want to work. They're a sign that people are no longer accepting terrible working conditions and compensation. Once more, that's a good thing. The solution involves changing the quality of opportunities, not blaming people resisting something bad.

The middle class is already disappearing. Yet so many of us are still aligning with the billionaires who are influencing our disappearance instead of aligning with the people worse off than us who we're being pushed toward. It's very similar to how racism thrives: historically, when the powerful have sown racial division among the working class, poor white people have been willing tools for keeping BIPOC down because then they see themselves at least one rung higher than somebody, and that's enough consolation when you're desperate. If working class & poor folks actually got together across whatever divides us, it would present our best chance of fighting back against the powerful keeping us all down and changing the system.

It's funny you mention bullies... 2 days ago I was contacted by a person I bullied throughout elementary school and middle school. They were bullied mercilessly by lots of people, including teachers, and I was not just a participant; I was a ringleader. When I've reconnected with friends from that time in my life, we have often expressed tremendous remorse for how we treated this person. They saw a comment I made on an online news article, recognized my name, and reached out. Among other things, this person was eventually diagnosed as autistic. We'd never heard of autism in the '80s. The first time I ever heard of it was when the movie "Rainman" came out my senior year of high school. I got the opportunity to acknowledge the tremendous harm I had participated in and led, and I got to express how sorry I am for how I behaved toward them. It doesn't absolve my lifetime of regret about it, but it was really cathartic to finally get that off my chest.

Anyhoo, that's pretty off-topic, but you mentioned bullying. I haven't been bullied since 4th grade, at the bus stop, which ended after a couple weeks when I defended myself decisively. I was a jock who was a slightly below average honor student, involved in student government and the arts. I was voted "most well-rounded." But stick with your strawman if it makes you feel better. It doesn't bother me at all. You're so far off the mark it doesn't even ruffle my luxurious, full head of gracefully graying hair.

Other than a single snarky sentence and eyeroll at the very beginning of my last post, I'm not sure what warrants the hostility of responding with your last 4 sentences. I'm trying to have a productive conversation here.

 

[Mac9192]

There's so many reasons why our country is in the shape it's in. So many. The government has gotten too big, the mega rich donors, and the big corporations have way too much influence on our politicians and the media. As far as the people? Some of it is our fault, and some is the fault of the government. Each generation wants things better for their kids than they had it. At some point though you start falling down the other side of the hill. Sadly, I think that's where we are now. I am not one that says "back in our day..." As a general rule, kids are lazy because we've allowed them to be.

We live in a society now where we have instant access to information. We are all on our phones way too much. People look for everything else, or others for their happiness. Doctors don't treat patients with the same care, but some of that is they're rushed. What many of them start doing is prescribing meds for symptoms. I'm not saying some medications aren't good, or needed, but we've gone too far. People start to struggle, but yet Big Pharma is getting wealthier.

I stand by my opinion that too many people buy what the media sells. They have an agenda, and it's not for the better.

It's like we need to hit the reset button.

 

[KDSTONE]

"Everywhere I look" is completely anecdotal.

The federal minimum wage was last changed in 2009. Since then, inflation has risen a little more than 50%. The average cost of a home has risen by over 120%. Income inequality continues to grow. You think people just don't want to work. How is it not much more reasonable to conclude that the jobs that are available are exploitative and people won't accept that? Why does it make more sense that millions of people are lazy than that a handful of people are greedy? From what I've read, countries that institute a UBI don't see any statistically significant drop in the workforce. That's because the overwhelming majority of people want to work. Look at you: you're retired, but you still work parttime, and I would imagine you also have other hobbies and interests that keep you busy. Being idle takes a toll on your mental health. We all need purpose, and for the great, great majority of us, that includes work.

There's no denying that interest in socialism has risen, whatever we may think of that. There's also no denying that the ACA has allowed more people to leave the workforce. That's a good thing. I liken it to how women entering the workforce en masse has a correlation with the rising divorce rate. Some people -- almost exclusively conservatives -- like to blame that on the women in the workforce. In truth, financial independence has allowed women to leave bad marriages they were financially trapped in before. That's also a good thing. It's not the change that's to blame; it's the change that exposes a pre-existing problem. The rising interest in socialism and the apparently large number of job openings are not a sign that people don't want to work. They're a sign that people are no longer accepting terrible working conditions and compensation. Once more, that's a good thing. The solution involves changing the quality of opportunities, not blaming people resisting something bad.

The middle class is already disappearing. Yet so many of us are still aligning with the billionaires who are influencing our disappearance instead of aligning with the people worse off than us who we're being pushed toward. It's very similar to how racism thrives: historically, when the powerful have sown racial division among the working class, poor white people have been willing tools for keeping BIPOC down because then they see themselves at least one rung higher than somebody, and that's enough consolation when you're desperate. If working class & poor folks actually got together across whatever divides us, it would present our best chance of fighting back against the powerful keeping us all down and changing the system.

It's funny you mention bullies... 2 days ago I was contacted by a person I bullied throughout elementary school and middle school. They were bullied mercilessly by lots of people, including teachers, and I was not just a participant; I was a ringleader. When I've reconnected with friends from that time in my life, we have often expressed tremendous remorse for how we treated this person. They saw a comment I made on an online news article, recognized my name, and reached out. Among other things, this person was eventually diagnosed as autistic. We'd never heard of autism in the '80s. The first time I ever heard of it was when the movie "Rainman" came out my senior year of high school. I got the opportunity to acknowledge the tremendous harm I had participated in and led, and I got to express how sorry I am for how I behaved toward them. It doesn't absolve my lifetime of regret about it, but it was really cathartic to finally get that off my chest.

Anyhoo, that's pretty off-topic, but you mentioned bullying. I haven't been bullied since 4th grade, at the bus stop, which ended after a couple weeks when I defended myself decisively. I was a jock who was a slightly below average honor student, involved in student government and the arts. I was voted "most well-rounded." But stick with your strawman if it makes you feel better. It doesn't bother me at all. You're so far off the mark it doesn't even ruffle my luxurious, full head of gracefully graying hair.

Other than a single snarky sentence and eyeroll at the very beginning of my last post, I'm not sure what warrants the hostility of responding with your last 4 sentences. I'm trying to have a productive conversation here.

“They were bullied mercilessly by teachers”. If you don’t mind elaborating further, how did this bullying manifest itself? This is shocking. Teachers needed an autism diagnosis to recognize this kid was struggling?

 

[DuckDevil]

These are the consequences of electing a moron who was never capable of doing the job. All of these stories are connected, and their cascading effects will continue to drive up prices in the U.S. and accelerate the rapid decline the Trump administration has unleashed on this country. This is the “find out” phase of his terrible policy decisions.

 

[Mac9192]

Whether or not Trump is a moron, the bar before him was set really, really low. Not just Ol Joe either. In terms of media, power players... they're against him at least 7 to 1. That's like Carolina having 7 guys on the court against Duke. Jon gets T'd up for saying something to the refs, all the while the commentators praise Carolina for playing so well and say Jon is acting like a clown.

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

“They were bullied mercilessly by teachers”. If you don’t mind elaborating further, how did this bullying manifest itself? This is shocking. Teachers needed an autism diagnosis to recognize this kid was struggling?

As I mentioned, it was the '80s and a lot of us had never heard of autism before. This classmate wasn't diagnosed until much later.
It was one teacher, really, as far as active participation goes. They used the same derisive nickname we used, which was a play on the classmate's last name. (Think "Reed" becomes "Peed" or "Bunting" becomes "Buns.") Other teachers did very little to discourage it.

From an earlier post, are you familiar with the use of "globalism" as an antisemitic dog whistle? Not saying that's how it was used here, but you can confirm, right?

 

[KDSTONE]

As I mentioned, it was the '80s and a lot of us had never heard of autism before. This classmate wasn't diagnosed until much later.
It was one teacher, really, as far as active participation goes. They used the same derisive nickname we used, which was a play on the classmate's last name. (Think "Reed" becomes "Peed" or "Bunting" becomes "Buns.") Other teachers did very little to discourage it.

From an earlier post, are you familiar with the use of "globalism" as an antisemitic dog whistle? Not saying that's how it was used here, but you can confirm, right?

Of course I’m familiar, but I don’t automatically go there every time I hear the word. Context matters. In duke91’s post the word was used in contrast to nationalism iirc. It was already addressed fairly recently in re to Yoda’s frequent use of the word, but no my antenna didn’t ping when I read 91’s post.

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

Of course I’m familiar, but I don’t automatically go there every time I hear the word. Context matters. In duke91’s post the word was used in contrast to nationalism iirc. It was already addressed fairly recently in re to Yoda’s frequent use of the word, but no my antenna didn’t ping when I read 91’s post.

Totally reasonable. I mention it in the same way I might recommend someone use the word "stingy" rather than its synonym "niggardly," for obvious reasons.

You or @dukesince91 have any thoughts on what I said about a myopic interpretation of nationalism?

 

[KDSTONE]

Totally reasonable. I mention it in the same way I might recommend someone use the word "stingy" rather than its synonym "niggardly," for obvious reasons.

You or @dukesince91 have any thoughts on what I said about a myopic interpretation of nationalism?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidcarlin/2025/01/21/planet-last-is-not-america-first-trumps-paris-exit-is-a-mistake/

Shirking global responsibilities and antagonizing would be allies at every turn is hardly advancing national interests. The US could leverage its economic might more effectively in the realm of strategic alliances as opposed to Trump’s “ kiss the ring or I’m done with you” approach. . He was effective in pressuring Euro nations to pony up more for their own defense, but successes have been few and far between.

 

[Mac9192]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidcarlin/2025/01/21/planet-last-is-not-america-first-trumps-paris-exit-is-a-mistake/

Shirking global responsibilities and antagonizing would be allies at every turn is hardly advancing national interests. The US could leverage its economic might more effectively in the realm of strategic alliances as opposed to Trump’s “ kiss the ring or I’m done with you” approach. . He was effective in pressuring Euro nations to pony up more for their own defense, but successes have been few and far between.

It's easy for all of us to sit where we are and say Trump is right, or Trump is wrong. I'm not defending him, but no one before him has been successful either. Trump also has the media heavily slanted against him. Granted, he sometimes doesn't help his cause, but still...

 

[KDSTONE]

It's easy for all of us to sit where we are and say Trump is right, or Trump is wrong. I'm not defending him, but no one before him has been successful either. Trump also has the media heavily slanted against him. Granted, he sometimes doesn't help his cause, but still...

Trump doesn’t seem to grasp the fact, or maybe just doesn’t give a ****, that foreign leaders have voters to answer to as well. When he embarrasses Carney or Macron on X, in order to save face politically they’re left almost with no choice but to take a hard line with current US policy. Now Carney’s striking deals with China.

 

[DuckDevil]

 

[KDSTONE]

Or they don’t want to carry the water for data centers’ infrastructure. While in theory spreading the fixed costs of energy over a wider customer base should exert downward pressure on utility rates, I’ve read that in Va the power companies pass along infrastructure riders to customers so that most of the utility bills are going up. Then, there’s high water usage and soil degradation, affecting all water and wildlife in the area. A few months ago, you’d hear a wide range on Fox of seemingly organic viewpoints re: data centers. Slowly but surely, however, a new consensus has emerged that any concerns should be hereafter dismissed as Chinese propaganda.

 

[DuckDevil]

Or they don’t want to carry the water for data centers’ infrastructure. While in theory spreading the fixed costs of energy over a wider customer base should exert downward pressure on utility rates, I’ve read that in Va the power companies pass along infrastructure riders to customers so that most of the utility bills are going up. Then, there’s high water usage and soil degradation, affecting all water and wildlife in the area. A few months ago, you’d hear a wide range on Fox of seemingly organic viewpoints re: data centers. Slowly but surely, however, a new consensus has emerged that any concerns should be hereafter dismissed as Chinese propaganda.

The irony is that opposition to data centers, according to recent polls at least, seems to be one of the few issues that transcends party politics and unites Americans across the board. I think it could be a dark horse issue that motivates a lot of voters this fall.

 

[KDSTONE]

The irony is that opposition to data centers, according to recent polls at least, seems to be one of the few issues that transcends party politics and unites Americans across the board. I think it could be a dark horse issue that motivates a lot of voters this fall.

Data center construction has already become a litmus test in local elections even in relatively conservative areas and could be a swing issue in favor of Dems in the fall. Republicans tend to be more evenly split in the polling I’ve seen while Dems are about 75% against. Overall, half of Americans feel that data centers are bad for the country while over 70% oppose local construction. The fact that these centers completely bypassed the democratic process in many communities has energized the voters.

https://www.politico.com/news/2026/08/16/data-center-opposition-florida-primary-elections-01037908

A red line on data centers is splitting Democrats in the midterms

Support for moratoriums on data center construction has become a litmus test for some voters, progressive and otherwise.

www.usatoday.com

This polling and the above articles reflect wider Rep opposition to data centers than I’d previously realized.

Americans Oppose AI Data Centers in Their Area

Seven in 10 Americans oppose the construction of an AI data center in their local area, including 48% strongly opposed.

news.gallup.com

 

[KDSTONE]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zacheverson/2025/02/20/trump-eric-don-jr-ai-american-data-centers-dominari-artifical-intelligence-ethics/

Meanwhile, Trump’s sons continue to enrich themselves.

Trump Sons Back $1 Billion Investment Network Targeting AI, Crypto And Drone Companies Favoured By White House: Report

Eric Trump and Donald Trump Jr. have backed a $1 billion investment network targeting industries heavily promoted by President Donald Trump's administration, including artificial intelligence, drones and cryptocurrency, the Financial Times reported Thursday. According to the report, two people...

finance.yahoo.com

The sons reportedly have a 12% stake in Dominari.

 

[BOOGIEMAN1914]

gas up $0.23 in my area overnight, from $3.52 to $3.75 and that's the usual cheapest spot...

 

[Mac9192]

Yeah no one should be happy with what’s going on. Clinton, Bush, Obama, Biden, Trump, doesn’t matter.

It’s like nothing changes for the better.

 

[DuckDevil]

Yeah no one should be happy with what’s going on. Clinton, Bush, Obama, Biden, Trump, doesn’t matter.

It’s like nothing changes for the better.

I fixed that for you. No president has screwed up the economy like this since Bush, and even then, some of the biggest economic shocks he dealt with, like hurricanes knocking out Gulf Coast refineries and sending gas prices through the roof, were completely outside of his control. God help us if a hurricane knocks out our refineries this fall.

Trump inherited a stable, growing economy with inflation well below its peak, just like he did in 2017. He has managed to destroy it with his tariffs, trade wars, and war of choice with Iran. These are policy decisions he made, and the consequences are his to own.

 

[DuckDevil]

gas up $0.23 in my area overnight, from $3.52 to $3.75 and that's the usual cheapest spot...

$4.29 here. Diesel is well over $5 and has been for months.

 

[DuckDevil]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zacheverson/2025/02/20/trump-eric-don-jr-ai-american-data-centers-dominari-artifical-intelligence-ethics/

Meanwhile, Trump’s sons continue to enrich themselves.

Trump Sons Back $1 Billion Investment Network Targeting AI, Crypto And Drone Companies Favoured By White House: Report

Eric Trump and Donald Trump Jr. have backed a $1 billion investment network targeting industries heavily promoted by President Donald Trump's administration, including artificial intelligence, drones and cryptocurrency, the Financial Times reported Thursday. According to the report, two people...

finance.yahoo.com

The sons reportedly have a 12% stake in Dominari.

Thank you for sharing this one, as I hadn’t seen it yet. Before reading the link, I assumed it would be talking about Don Jr. and Eric’s connections to Kalshi and Polymarket and how the White House has been threatening states that try to regulate them. But, of course they’re directly profiting from data centers as well. You have to pick your branch of corruption with these people because they’re profiting in so many different ways.

The next president, regardless of who it is, is going to inherit a terrible mess with a broken economy and a ton of boondoggle contracts the government has signed that benefit the Trump family. It’s absolute insanity.

 

[Mac9192]

$4.29 here. Diesel is well over $5 and has been for months.

Sounds like the Biden years too.

 

[Mac9192]

Trump inherited a stable, growing economy with inflation well below its peak, just like he did in 2017. He has managed to destroy it with his tariffs, trade wars, and war of choice with Iran. These are policy decisions he made, and the consequences are his to own.

Did you type this with a straight face? Your loyalty to 'your team' is almost admirable.

 

[DuckDevil]

Just for fun, here’s another $620 million Pentagon loan to a company backed by Don Jr.’s investment firm. His firm bought a stake in the company just three months before the deal was announced, and the request to fund it came directly from the White House.

“Of the dozens of companies the Pentagon was considering funding at the time, Vulcan’s was the only deal initiated by a top aide to the president, said an official at the Pentagon who was not authorized to speak publicly.

After defense officials got the White House request, they asked Pentagon staff to move at an unusually rapid pace, said another person who was involved in the deal at the Pentagon but not authorized to speak about it. The staff worked late nights and with little sleep to get the loan through in a matter of weeks, the source said.

“The call came from the White House: We have to get this done,” the person said.

The deal is one of many actions by the Trump administration that have helped companies in which the Trump family holds stakes. Government contracts and other benefits have gone to various Trump-linked companies, prompting allegations of self-dealing by Democratic lawmakers and good government experts. But ProPublica’s reporting on the Vulcan loan represents the first time the awarding of a contract from a federal agency has been directly linked to White House intervention.

The loan was a massive financial commitment from the Pentagon in its effort to fund companies that could help the U.S. reduce dependence on China’s critical mineral supply chains. The deal was a dramatic win for Vulcan, a North Carolina rare-earth magnet company launched just two years earlier. Estimates of its valuation grew tenfold after the deal was announced. It was also a win for Trump Jr.’s venture capital firm, which took a stake of undisclosed size in Vulcan about three months before the Pentagon announced the deal.”

 

[DuckDevil]

Did you type this with a straight face? Your loyalty to 'your team' is almost admirable.

You live in an information bubble of propaganda that intentionally feeds you lies and misinformation because they believe you’re so stupid you’ll never bother to question any of it yourself.

Look up the numbers if you don’t believe me. Don’t take my word for it. Find the actual numbers, from an actual source, and show me where I’m wrong.

Of course, we both know you’re not actually going to look any of this up because that would require questioning what you’ve already decided to believe. So maybe they’re right about you after all.

 

[BOOGIEMAN1914]

$4.29 here. Diesel is well over $5 and has been for months.

ouch, ill notice more today when out but the higher stations will probably be around $3.89, since WalMart/Sams is at $3.75

 

[Mac9192]

You live in an information bubble of propaganda that intentionally feeds you lies and misinformation because they believe you’re so stupid you’ll never bother to question any of it yourself.

Look up the numbers if you don’t believe me. Don’t take my word for it. Find the actual numbers, from an actual source, and show me where I’m wrong.

Of course, we both know you’re not actually going to look any of this up because that would require questioning what you’ve already decided to believe. So maybe they’re right about you after all.

Whose numbers? From the countless left wing sites? Figures don’t lie, but liars figure.

We all know how bad it was during the Biden years. But maybe you were still in college and hadn’t yet learned how to adult yet.

And who’s they?

 

[DuckDevil]

Whose numbers? From the countless left wing sites? Figures don’t lie, but liars figure.

We all know how bad it was during the Biden years. But maybe you were still in college and hadn’t yet learned how to adult yet.

You’re just proving my point. Government economic data isn’t biased, and it isn’t being put out by left wing sites. It’s also not hard to find.

Stay in your bubble, keep huffing that BS like a good boy, and continue to be exactly what “they” think you are. “They” are the people spoon feeding you lies because they know you’re too dumb to ever question any of it.

Conversations with you are pointless. You’re just not capable of processing information that goes against what you’ve already decided is the truth and that makes you incredibly predictable and boring.

 

[Mac9192]

Amazing how after all that has happened in the last 7-8 years that a few on here still throw out some of these social media posts like they’re pure fact. Very few, if any, come at things unbiased.

You guys know that I'm a Trump supporter, but have not been happy with his term so far. That's a lot better than you guys have done. Lil Duckey didn't even post during the Biden years. Plus, all he knows is what he reads. I know to many that sounds good, but what I've learned as the truth is very few can be trusted. The right slants, but the left is far worse.

I do not recall the other two libs here ever expressing any criticism when Ol Joe sat in the chair. They mocked us, defended him, but mainly spent Biden's entire term harping on what the media was trying to dig up on Trump. They didn't even realize what was really happening. It's called a diversion. Get people hyped up over Trump so they don't pay attention to the clown show we had from 21-24.

Jill; "Joe, wear your bib and eat your cocoa puffs over the table please. Don't spill on your clean suit. Your weekly briefing is today from 2:00 to 2:05."

 

[DuckDevil]

Amazing how after all that has happened in the last 7-8 years that a few on here still throw out some of these social media posts like they’re pure fact. Very few, if any, come at things unbiased.

You guys know that I'm a Trump supporter, but have not been happy with his term so far. That's a lot better than you guys have done. Lil Duckey didn't even post during the Biden years. Plus, all he knows is what he reads. I know to many that sounds good, but what I've learned as the truth is very few can be trusted. The right slants, but the left is far worse.

I do not recall the other two libs here ever expressing any criticism when Ol Joe sat in the chair. They mocked us, defended him, but mainly spent Biden's entire term harping on what the media was trying to dig up on Trump. They didn't even realize what was really happening. It's called a diversion. Get people hyped up over Trump so they don't pay attention to the clown show we had from 21-24.

Jill; "Joe, wear your bib and eat your cocoa puffs over the table please. Don't spill on your clean suit. Your weekly briefing is today from 2:00 to 2:05."

Joe’s not president, and he’s not the one who’s going to have to explain his piss poor job performance to the American people this fall or all the financial pain he’s caused them with his incompetence, which only increases day by day.

All while he and his sons are making out like bandits, enriching themselves at the expense of those same American taxpayers. To admit you’re still a Trump supporter at this point is like tattooing “I’m stupid” on your forehead.

Are you not the least bit embarrassed to say that at this point? Have some self respect. Don’t tell people that in the real world. They’ll laugh at you behind your back.

 

[Mac9192]

Option A: a president who may be messing up some. Time will tell. Big mouth, says off the wall comments, and rips left wing reporters. Some justified, some not. Son's questionable activities. Not happy to hear of this.

Option B: a president who was experiencing mental decline before being sworn in. Progressively got worse. Not a good politician before all this. Shady son? Proven to be true. Networks were advised to not disclose before the 2020 election. Once in there, was least visible President in modern era. Leaks about Auto Pen. Once met with a sitting Senator and claims he didn't put his signature down on what said Senator critical of. He had no Idea. Not surprised at all.

 

[DuckDevil]

Option A: a president who may be messing up some. Time will tell. Big mouth, says off the wall comments, and rips left wing reporters. Some justified, some not. Son's questionable activities. Not happy to hear of this.

Option B: a president who was experiencing mental decline before being sworn in. Progressively got worse. Not a good politician before all this. Shady son? Proven to be true. Networks were advised to not disclose before the 2020 election. Once in there, was least visible President in modern era. Leaks about Auto Pen. Once met with a sitting Senator and claims he didn't put his signature down on what said Senator critical of. He had no Idea. Not surprised at all.

The two are not comparable at this point. The Trump administration is the most corrupt in US history, and it’s not even debatable anymore since it’s so blatant and out in the open. Any corruption committed by Hunter Biden is microscopic compared to what the Trump family and his crony sphere are pulling off this term.

And while he’s not busy looting the country, Trump otherwise seems to be occupied only with speed running the destruction of the US economy. He’s not turning any of this around, and I don’t think he even cares to anymore. I can’t even imagine how bad everything will be after another two years of his “leadership.”

He’s never cared about his supporters, the American people, or this country. It’s all a vehicle to enrich himself and stay out of prison. Is he trying to crash everything at this point so he and his friends can gobble up assets for pennies on the dollar? Does it not almost seem intentional at this point?

Your comments are just another example of how you are incapable of processing new information. It’s why you always default back to Biden because the current reality is too difficult for you to comprehend.

So please, continue talking about Biden, Cocoa Puffs, autopens, and whatever other propaganda bullet points you’ve been spoon fed to distract you from the crisis unfolding right in front of your face.

 

[Mac9192]

The two are not comparable at this point. The Trump administration is the most corrupt in US history, and it’s not even debatable anymore since it’s so blatant and out in the open. Any corruption committed by Hunter Biden is microscopic compared to what the Trump family and his crony sphere are pulling off this term.

And while he’s not busy looting the country, Trump otherwise seems to be occupied only with speed running the destruction of the US economy. He’s not turning any of this around, and I don’t think he even cares to anymore. I can’t even imagine how bad everything will be after another two years of his “leadership.”

He’s never cared about his supporters, the American people, or this country. It’s all a vehicle to enrich himself and stay out of prison. Is he trying to crash everything at this point so he and his friends can gobble up assets for pennies on the dollar? Does it not almost seem intentional at this point?

Your comments are just another example of how you are incapable of processing new information. It’s why you always default back to Biden because the current reality is too difficult for you to comprehend. So please, continue talking about Biden, Cocoa Puffs, autopens, and whatever other propaganda bullet points you’ve been spoon fed to distract you from the crisis unfolding right in front of your face.

I was very honest in my post, and all I said is true. Your first paragraph? Not sure where you live, or what you do for a living, but I'd be willing to bet you don't interact with people. Either you work alone in a warehouse, or sit behind a computer in either a basement or small apartment.
And you obviously didn't pay ANY attention from 21-25.

Now run along and find a social media post by a fellow lib, and repost it. You're also good at reading what someone else says and memorizing it. You have some education. Kudos. I think you lack in real world though. Like really lacking.

 

[DuckDevil]

I was very honest in my post, and all I said is true. Your first paragraph? Not sure where you live, or what you do for a living, but I'd be willing to bet you don't interact with people. Either you work alone in a warehouse, or sit behind a computer in either a basement or small apartment.
And you obviously didn't pay ANY attention from 21-25.

Now run along and find a social media post by a fellow lib, and repost it. You're also good at reading what someone else says and memorizing it. You have some education. Kudos. I think you lack in real world though. Like really lacking.

As always, incapable of responding to anything I’ve actually said in this conversation because doing so would pop that bubble you’re so comfortable in. Obey your masters.

Maybe we can rehash the corruption in the Grant administration next. Teapot Dome was pretty scandalous! Anything to avoid talking about what’s happening today with the current president.

I’m still waiting for you to look up those economic numbers and show me where I’m wrong. I won’t hold my breath, though…

 

[dukesince91]

Sounds like the Biden years too.

When Trump left office at the end of his first term gas was $2.60 in my area. It got up to over $4 during Biden’s term. My how the liberals forgot about that.

 

[DuckDevil]

When Trump left office at the end of his first term gas was $2.60 in my area. It got up to over $4 during Biden’s term. My how the liberals forgot about that.

Gas was $3.12 a gallon on Biden’s last day in office. Today, during Trump’s presidency, the national average is $4.12. The average price of diesel is $5.68. We are 13 cents away from the all-time record.

This is happening today, by the way, not back in 2022. Gas spiked in 2022 because of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, which was obviously outside of the president’s control. Gas is high today because Trump decided to go to war with Iran, which is completely his fault.

Where’s your outrage at Trump? Why aren’t you talking about what’s happening today, right now? Is it just not convenient for you?

 

[BOOGIEMAN1914]

When Trump left office at the end of his first term gas was $2.60 in my area. It got up to over $4 during Biden’s term. My how the liberals forgot about that.

there is quite a bit more to that story being omitted though.....gas became low due to covid lockdowns and no demand.....gas rose coming out of covid because the global demand rebounded much faster than the oil producers could ramp up, hence low supply and high demand equaled the higher cost on a global scale and Russia invading Ukraine

when Obama left office to Trump the nat. avg for reg was $2.32 to $2.34.......under Trump it got as high as $2.96 and the lowest during lockdowns of $1.77 and when he left office the avg was $2.39

 

[Mac9192]

Where’s your outrage at Trump? Why aren’t you talking about what’s happening today, right now? Is it just not convenient for you?

I think the few right leaners here are concerned about Iran, and we definitely don't like seeing gas where it is. On the conflict with Iran? The last 40 some years each President, and potential ones before Trump, it's as if they all read off the same prompter, saying they are a major threat, can't be allowed to have... but now it's a problem that we are there.

No one that's paid ANY attention at all the last 7-8 years would say things were good before Trump became President.

Something that few talk about is Covid. It's like anyone over 40 has lived in two totally different worlds because of it. Life before Covid is now a new way. Nothing has been the same since.