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I agree. I do think he is one of the few that believes in Nationalism over Globalism. I’m beginning to lose patience though, but I do believe he has a plan. We’re just going to have to let it play out. I think he’s trying to bring back jobs to the U.S, but can we find enough people that want to work?
Quite the pivot at the end there. :rolleyes:
People want to work. Let's not scapegoat some mythical welfare class that is supposedly ruining everything for everyone while billionaires get richer and working class folks move closer to needing welfare. The poor aren't lazy. They're not the enemy. They're scrappy; they're gritty; they're hustlers. Overwhelmingly, the people who don't wanna work are Boomers and the uber-wealthy. Understandably so, but at the expense of the rest of us. They're doing just fine hoarding more and more.

Is nationalism really that viable anymore? The world has learned some positive things from us over the last century, just like European basketball. Earth is a cooperative venture. Pulling out of WHO, pulling out of climate change pacts, threatening to leave NATO, imposing tariffs on everyone... the whole "America First" mindset ignores that we need allies and that we're making ourselves more isolated. It could be that putting America first means embracing more of an ensemble role. We'll still get plenty of solos, but we need the world more than they need us. Think Wilt Chamberlain: it's no coincidence that the only times he won championships were seasons where his personal stats weren't as amazing and gaudy. Are we going for top superstar country in a failing world or do we want to go for still being the top all-star country in a thriving world?

Also, I'll pass the rock to @KDSTONE regarding the very term 'globalism.' I don't have to score all the points, after all.
 

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Quite the pivot at the end there. :rolleyes:
People want to work. Let's not scapegoat some mythical welfare class that is supposedly ruining everything for everyone while billionaires get richer and working class folks move closer to needing welfare. The poor aren't lazy. They're not the enemy. They're scrappy; they're gritty; they're hustlers. Overwhelmingly, the people who don't wanna work are Boomers and the uber-wealthy. Understandably so, but at the expense of the rest of us. They're doing just fine hoarding more and more.

Is nationalism really that viable anymore? The world has learned some positive things from us over the last century, just like European basketball. Earth is a cooperative venture. Pulling out of WHO, pulling out of climate change pacts, threatening to leave NATO, imposing tariffs on everyone... the whole "America First" mindset ignores that we need allies and that we're making ourselves more isolated. It could be that putting America first means embracing more of an ensemble role. We'll still get plenty of solos, but we need the world more than they need us. Think Wilt Chamberlain: it's no coincidence that the only times he won championships were seasons where his personal stats weren't as amazing and gaudy. Are we going for top superstar country in a failing world or do we want to go for still being the top all-star country in a thriving world?

Also, I'll pass the rock to @KDSTONE regarding the very term 'globalism.' I don't have to score all the points, after all.
People want to work, yeah right. I guess that’s why every where I look there are signs saying now hiring. Maybe it’s our younger generation that doesn’t want to work. You use to see teenagers working in the grocery stores and restaurants for part time jobs, now it’s mostly our elder folks. We don’t have as many “poor” people in this country that choose to work. The government through decades has incentivized people to go on welfare and play the system. I know, I know, Socialism is the answer to make everyone equal. That’s just going to get rid of the middle class. Now we will have the rich and the poor. I know you are against capitalism, but I would rather keep it and be poor here than poor in a socialist country. I’m not here to score points like you. I don’t need to try to feel superior to others. You must have been bullied as a child. I feel sorry for you Datt.
 
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People want to work, yeah right. I guess that’s why every where I look there are signs saying now hiring. Maybe it’s our younger generation that doesn’t want to work. You use to see teenagers working in the grocery stores and restaurants for part time jobs, now it’s mostly our elder folks. We don’t have as many “poor” people in this country that choose to work. The government through decades has incentivized people to go on welfare and play the system. I know, I know, Socialism is the answer to make everyone equal. That’s just going to get rid of the middle class. Now we will have the rich and the poor. I know you are against capitalism, but I would rather keep it and be poor here than poor in a socialist country. I’m not here to score points like you. I don’t need to try to feel superior to others. You must have been bullied as a child. I feel sorry for you Datt.
"Everywhere I look" is completely anecdotal.

The federal minimum wage was last changed in 2009. Since then, inflation has risen a little more than 50%. The average cost of a home has risen by over 120%. Income inequality continues to grow. You think people just don't want to work. How is it not much more reasonable to conclude that the jobs that are available are exploitative and people won't accept that? Why does it make more sense that millions of people are lazy than that a handful of people are greedy? From what I've read, countries that institute a UBI don't see any statistically significant drop in the workforce. That's because the overwhelming majority of people want to work. Look at you: you're retired, but you still work parttime, and I would imagine you also have other hobbies and interests that keep you busy. Being idle takes a toll on your mental health. We all need purpose, and for the great, great majority of us, that includes work.

There's no denying that interest in socialism has risen, whatever we may think of that. There's also no denying that the ACA has allowed more people to leave the workforce. That's a good thing. I liken it to how women entering the workforce en masse has a correlation with the rising divorce rate. Some people -- almost exclusively conservatives -- like to blame that on the women in the workforce. In truth, financial independence has allowed women to leave bad marriages they were financially trapped in before. That's also a good thing. It's not the change that's to blame; it's the change that exposes a pre-existing problem. The rising interest in socialism and the apparently large number of job openings are not a sign that people don't want to work. They're a sign that people are no longer accepting terrible working conditions and compensation. Once more, that's a good thing. The solution involves changing the quality of opportunities, not blaming people resisting something bad.

The middle class is already disappearing. Yet so many of us are still aligning with the billionaires who are influencing our disappearance instead of aligning with the people worse off than us who we're being pushed toward. It's very similar to how racism thrives: historically, when the powerful have sown racial division among the working class, poor white people have been willing tools for keeping BIPOC down because then they see themselves at least one rung higher than somebody, and that's enough consolation when you're desperate. If working class & poor folks actually got together across whatever divides us, it would present our best chance of fighting back against the powerful keeping us all down and changing the system.

It's funny you mention bullies... 2 days ago I was contacted by a person I bullied throughout elementary school and middle school. They were bullied mercilessly by lots of people, including teachers, and I was not just a participant; I was a ringleader. When I've reconnected with friends from that time in my life, we have often expressed tremendous remorse for how we treated this person. They saw a comment I made on an online news article, recognized my name, and reached out. Among other things, this person was eventually diagnosed as autistic. We'd never heard of autism in the '80s. The first time I ever heard of it was when the movie "Rainman" came out my senior year of high school. I got the opportunity to acknowledge the tremendous harm I had participated in and led, and I got to express how sorry I am for how I behaved toward them. It doesn't absolve my lifetime of regret about it, but it was really cathartic to finally get that off my chest.

Anyhoo, that's pretty off-topic, but you mentioned bullying. I haven't been bullied since 4th grade, at the bus stop, which ended after a couple weeks when I defended myself decisively. I was a jock who was a slightly below average honor student, involved in student government and the arts. I was voted "most well-rounded." But stick with your strawman if it makes you feel better. It doesn't bother me at all. You're so far off the mark it doesn't even ruffle my luxurious, full head of gracefully graying hair.

Other than a single snarky sentence and eyeroll at the very beginning of my last post, I'm not sure what warrants the hostility of responding with your last 4 sentences. I'm trying to have a productive conversation here.
 
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There's so many reasons why our country is in the shape it's in. So many. The government has gotten too big, the mega rich donors, and the big corporations have way too much influence on our politicians and the media. As far as the people? Some of it is our fault, and some is the fault of the government. Each generation wants things better for their kids than they had it. At some point though you start falling down the other side of the hill. Sadly, I think that's where we are now. I am not one that says "back in our day..." As a general rule, kids are lazy because we've allowed them to be.

We live in a society now where we have instant access to information. We are all on our phones way too much. People look for everything else, or others for their happiness. Doctors don't treat patients with the same care, but some of that is they're rushed. What many of them start doing is prescribing meds for symptoms. I'm not saying some medications aren't good, or needed, but we've gone too far. People start to struggle, but yet Big Pharma is getting wealthier.

I stand by my opinion that too many people buy what the media sells. They have an agenda, and it's not for the better.

It's like we need to hit the reset button.
 
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"Everywhere I look" is completely anecdotal.

The federal minimum wage was last changed in 2009. Since then, inflation has risen a little more than 50%. The average cost of a home has risen by over 120%. Income inequality continues to grow. You think people just don't want to work. How is it not much more reasonable to conclude that the jobs that are available are exploitative and people won't accept that? Why does it make more sense that millions of people are lazy than that a handful of people are greedy? From what I've read, countries that institute a UBI don't see any statistically significant drop in the workforce. That's because the overwhelming majority of people want to work. Look at you: you're retired, but you still work parttime, and I would imagine you also have other hobbies and interests that keep you busy. Being idle takes a toll on your mental health. We all need purpose, and for the great, great majority of us, that includes work.

There's no denying that interest in socialism has risen, whatever we may think of that. There's also no denying that the ACA has allowed more people to leave the workforce. That's a good thing. I liken it to how women entering the workforce en masse has a correlation with the rising divorce rate. Some people -- almost exclusively conservatives -- like to blame that on the women in the workforce. In truth, financial independence has allowed women to leave bad marriages they were financially trapped in before. That's also a good thing. It's not the change that's to blame; it's the change that exposes a pre-existing problem. The rising interest in socialism and the apparently large number of job openings are not a sign that people don't want to work. They're a sign that people are no longer accepting terrible working conditions and compensation. Once more, that's a good thing. The solution involves changing the quality of opportunities, not blaming people resisting something bad.

The middle class is already disappearing. Yet so many of us are still aligning with the billionaires who are influencing our disappearance instead of aligning with the people worse off than us who we're being pushed toward. It's very similar to how racism thrives: historically, when the powerful have sown racial division among the working class, poor white people have been willing tools for keeping BIPOC down because then they see themselves at least one rung higher than somebody, and that's enough consolation when you're desperate. If working class & poor folks actually got together across whatever divides us, it would present our best chance of fighting back against the powerful keeping us all down and changing the system.

It's funny you mention bullies... 2 days ago I was contacted by a person I bullied throughout elementary school and middle school. They were bullied mercilessly by lots of people, including teachers, and I was not just a participant; I was a ringleader. When I've reconnected with friends from that time in my life, we have often expressed tremendous remorse for how we treated this person. They saw a comment I made on an online news article, recognized my name, and reached out. Among other things, this person was eventually diagnosed as autistic. We'd never heard of autism in the '80s. The first time I ever heard of it was when the movie "Rainman" came out my senior year of high school. I got the opportunity to acknowledge the tremendous harm I had participated in and led, and I got to express how sorry I am for how I behaved toward them. It doesn't absolve my lifetime of regret about it, but it was really cathartic to finally get that off my chest.

Anyhoo, that's pretty off-topic, but you mentioned bullying. I haven't been bullied since 4th grade, at the bus stop, which ended after a couple weeks when I defended myself decisively. I was a jock who was a slightly below average honor student, involved in student government and the arts. I was voted "most well-rounded." But stick with your strawman if it makes you feel better. It doesn't bother me at all. You're so far off the mark it doesn't even ruffle my luxurious, full head of gracefully graying hair.

Other than a single snarky sentence and eyeroll at the very beginning of my last post, I'm not sure what warrants the hostility of responding with your last 4 sentences. I'm trying to have a productive conversation here.
“They were bullied mercilessly by teachers”. If you don’t mind elaborating further, how did this bullying manifest itself? This is shocking. Teachers needed an autism diagnosis to recognize this kid was struggling?
 

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These are the consequences of electing a moron who was never capable of doing the job. All of these stories are connected, and their cascading effects will continue to drive up prices in the U.S. and accelerate the rapid decline the Trump administration has unleashed on this country. This is the “find out” phase of his terrible policy decisions.
 
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Whether or not Trump is a moron, the bar before him was set really, really low. Not just Ol Joe either. In terms of media, power players... they're against him at least 7 to 1. That's like Carolina having 7 guys on the court against Duke. Jon gets T'd up for saying something to the refs, all the while the commentators praise Carolina for playing so well and say Jon is acting like a clown.
 
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“They were bullied mercilessly by teachers”. If you don’t mind elaborating further, how did this bullying manifest itself? This is shocking. Teachers needed an autism diagnosis to recognize this kid was struggling?
As I mentioned, it was the '80s and a lot of us had never heard of autism before. This classmate wasn't diagnosed until much later.
It was one teacher, really, as far as active participation goes. They used the same derisive nickname we used, which was a play on the classmate's last name. (Think "Reed" becomes "Peed" or "Bunting" becomes "Buns.") Other teachers did very little to discourage it.

From an earlier post, are you familiar with the use of "globalism" as an antisemitic dog whistle? Not saying that's how it was used here, but you can confirm, right?
 

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As I mentioned, it was the '80s and a lot of us had never heard of autism before. This classmate wasn't diagnosed until much later.
It was one teacher, really, as far as active participation goes. They used the same derisive nickname we used, which was a play on the classmate's last name. (Think "Reed" becomes "Peed" or "Bunting" becomes "Buns.") Other teachers did very little to discourage it.

From an earlier post, are you familiar with the use of "globalism" as an antisemitic dog whistle? Not saying that's how it was used here, but you can confirm, right?
Of course I’m familiar, but I don’t automatically go there every time I hear the word. Context matters. In duke91’s post the word was used in contrast to nationalism iirc. It was already addressed fairly recently in re to Yoda’s frequent use of the word, but no my antenna didn’t ping when I read 91’s post.
 
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Of course I’m familiar, but I don’t automatically go there every time I hear the word. Context matters. In duke91’s post the word was used in contrast to nationalism iirc. It was already addressed fairly recently in re to Yoda’s frequent use of the word, but no my antenna didn’t ping when I read 91’s post.
Totally reasonable. I mention it in the same way I might recommend someone use the word "stingy" rather than its synonym "niggardly," for obvious reasons.

You or @dukesince91 have any thoughts on what I said about a myopic interpretation of nationalism?
 

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Totally reasonable. I mention it in the same way I might recommend someone use the word "stingy" rather than its synonym "niggardly," for obvious reasons.

You or @dukesince91 have any thoughts on what I said about a myopic interpretation of nationalism?

Shirking global responsibilities and antagonizing would be allies at every turn is hardly advancing national interests. The US could leverage its economic might more effectively in the realm of strategic alliances as opposed to Trump’s “ kiss the ring or I’m done with you” approach. . He was effective in pressuring Euro nations to pony up more for their own defense, but successes have been few and far between.
 
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Shirking global responsibilities and antagonizing would be allies at every turn is hardly advancing national interests. The US could leverage its economic might more effectively in the realm of strategic alliances as opposed to Trump’s “ kiss the ring or I’m done with you” approach. . He was effective in pressuring Euro nations to pony up more for their own defense, but successes have been few and far between.
It's easy for all of us to sit where we are and say Trump is right, or Trump is wrong. I'm not defending him, but no one before him has been successful either. Trump also has the media heavily slanted against him. Granted, he sometimes doesn't help his cause, but still...
 
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It's easy for all of us to sit where we are and say Trump is right, or Trump is wrong. I'm not defending him, but no one before him has been successful either. Trump also has the media heavily slanted against him. Granted, he sometimes doesn't help his cause, but still...
Trump doesn’t seem to grasp the fact, or maybe just doesn’t give a ****, that foreign leaders have voters to answer to as well. When he embarrasses Carney or Macron on X, in order to save face politically they’re left almost with no choice but to take a hard line with current US policy. Now Carney’s striking deals with China.
 

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Or they don’t want to carry the water for data centers’ infrastructure. While in theory spreading the fixed costs of energy over a wider customer base should exert downward pressure on utility rates, I’ve read that in Va the power companies pass along infrastructure riders to customers so that most of the utility bills are going up. Then, there’s high water usage and soil degradation, affecting all water and wildlife in the area. A few months ago, you’d hear a wide range on Fox of seemingly organic viewpoints re: data centers. Slowly but surely, however, a new consensus has emerged that any concerns should be hereafter dismissed as Chinese propaganda.
 
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Or they don’t want to carry the water for data centers’ infrastructure. While in theory spreading the fixed costs of energy over a wider customer base should exert downward pressure on utility rates, I’ve read that in Va the power companies pass along infrastructure riders to customers so that most of the utility bills are going up. Then, there’s high water usage and soil degradation, affecting all water and wildlife in the area. A few months ago, you’d hear a wide range on Fox of seemingly organic viewpoints re: data centers. Slowly but surely, however, a new consensus has emerged that any concerns should be hereafter dismissed as Chinese propaganda.
The irony is that opposition to data centers, according to recent polls at least, seems to be one of the few issues that transcends party politics and unites Americans across the board. I think it could be a dark horse issue that motivates a lot of voters this fall.
 
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