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[Mac9192]

its easy to be against Iran from behind a mic....but once something is done in the manner in which it has been done and the cost of life, the disruption of our lives (pump), and the money being spent w/o showing no real plan and leadership, just bluster.....its obvious why those before took sane advice and use sanctions and diplomacy to keep them at bay

This post of yours is proof of party politics. You said nothing the last four years about lack of leadership, but now that Trump is in office, suddenly the President is criticized. I did it too with Biden. We watch the news that is going to say what we want them to. Fox and Newsmax have their viewers, and so do CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC. You can watch Fox for 20 minutes and think Trump parted the Red Sea. Flip it to CNN and you'd think Trump is Satan's brother.

I swear I think it's all planned this way. The media divide filters to us out here being divided. All to keep us fighting with each other, while both sides get wealthier. It's been said thousands of times: they spend millions to make $200 thousand a year. Yet somehow they manage to be worth millions within 10 years. But the other side is the evil one.

 

[AcnYoda]

This post of yours is proof of party politics. You said nothing the last four years about lack of leadership, but now that Trump is in office, suddenly the President is criticized. I did it too with Biden. We watch the news that is going to say what we want them to. Fox and Newsmax have their viewers, and so do CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC. You can watch Fox for 20 minutes and think Trump parted the Red Sea. Flip it to CNN and you'd think Trump is Satan's brother.

I swear I think it's all planned this way. The media divide filters to us out here being divided. All to keep us fighting with each other, while both sides get wealthier. It's been said thousands of times: they spend millions to make $200 thousand a year. Yet somehow they manage to be worth millions within 10 years. But the other side is the evil one.

I agree they do this intentionally in the media by design to divide us. But the truth is always the truth. The IRGC is a satanic cult of a power and like Nazi’s needs to be destroyed!! Their entire religion is based upon bringing their GOD, the antichrist bsck riding on a Whitehorse to rule the earth for 7 years, based where? In Jarusalem. Everything that’s happening is in the Bible, it’s prophetic. And we need to destroy the IRGC or they plan to bring End times to the world and they aren’t hiding this. It’s who they are and what they say and believe.

 

[Mac9192]

I agree they do this intentionally in the media by design to divide us. But the truth is always the truth. The IRGC is a satanic cult of a power and like Nazi’s needs to be destroyed!! Their entire religion is based upon bringing their GOD, the antichrist bsck riding on a Whitehorse to rule the earth for 7 years, based where? In Jarusalem. Everything that’s happening is in the Bible, it’s prophetic. And we need to destroy the IRGC or they plan to bring End times to the world and they aren’t hiding this. It’s who they are and what they say and believe.

I haven't kept up with much of what's going on with the world. I believe Iran is an evil place. But I also say this: I love our country, but despise the government.

 

[BOOGIEMAN1914]

True. It’s easy to use sactions and kick the can down the road, both parties presidents did this since the 80’s. Obviously it didn’t work. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a diffeent result. 40,000+ innocent Iranians were just slaughtered by this regime? Do their lives matter too? They don’t want this regime running their county. Do we help them if we can?

what if continued sanctions ultimately don’t work and Iran build 10 nuclear bombs and drops one on Israel, the UAE, or other countries? Killing tens of millions of people? Then what? This argument about kicking the can down the road didn’t work, sanctions didn’t work, the only thing this insane regime responds to are threats and action. We needed to bomb them to smithereens and we did. This president and military of ours should be Celebrated. Not criticized and condemned. That’s my take on it. Yes we lost the lives of 13 great patriots but they potentially saved the lives of millions. Their families are proud and reportedly told the President to Finish the job. I agree.

i get your what ifs.........so far since way back then getting a nuke hasn't happened yet.....shouldn't that be a NATO led coalition in regards to the regime harming its own citizens

 

[DuckDevil]

@AcnYoda

Where to begin? I’ll say this in the nicest way possible, you have absolutely no clue what you’re talking about. The timelines you lay out about Iran running out of money, the regime collapsing, and the impact on the world economy are completely detached from reality.

You consistently overestimate the US position and underestimate the Iranian position. That might play well with @KDSTONE and others consuming the same propaganda, but it’s not rooted in the real world. You present best case outcomes as guaranteed without accounting for any risk whatsoever.

“Iran runs out of money in days or weeks without oil exports”

This is wrong. Does it hurt Iran? Absolutely, but not to the level you’re describing. Iran has spent decades building sanctions workarounds, shadow oil markets, and reserve buffers. Oil is critical, but it’s not instant collapse critical.

You’re assuming other countries will work in lockstep with Trump to punish Iran. It’s the only way his strategy would work, but that’s not what’s actually happening. Recent history suggests world leaders would be wise to openly oppose him. He’s a lame duck and deeply unpopular in his own country, and even more unpopular worldwide. Look at what just happened to Viktor Orban. The pendulum is swinging against Trumpism and Trump. Openly opposing him is good politics in much of the world.

History shows that countries break ranks the moment their own economies are at risk, as they are now. As this situation increasingly threatens the global economy, countries will bypass the US to secure their own energy supplies, including our allies.

What happens to the US economy when countries do that? Russia and China have supported Iran quietly so far, but that won’t stay quiet forever because neither benefits from global economic instability. They will prop up the Iranian regime as a check on the US.

You also claim an oil shutdown cripples them for a year. That’s not accurate. Some fields can be damaged by shutdowns, but Iran’s entire system isn’t going offline for a year. Oil, even at reduced levels, will continue to move. Asia is too dependent on Iranian supply for that not to happen.

“The US can take and control Kharg Island”

This is also unrealistic. The US military could take and hold Kharg Island, but you ignore what comes next. Any US presence there would be sitting in Iran’s backyard, within range of artillery, rockets, ballistic missiles, and drones.

Every resupply, every defensive system, and every soldier is exposed. Every escalation you’re proposing invites a response, and you’re ignoring what that response looks like. If Iran’s oil infrastructure is seized or destroyed, they respond by targeting oil infrastructure across the region.

“Global impact is minimal, just slightly higher gas prices”

There is no scenario where removing millions of barrels from global supply doesn’t send shockwaves through every major economy. You’re treating oil markets like they only affect gas prices, when they actually impact every sector of the economy.

It drives up food, shipping, and the overall cost of living. Why would Russia and China tolerate that? Or any country? Why would US citizens tolerate that when Trump campaigned on lowering inflation and avoiding new foreign wars? They wouldn’t and they won’t in November. The IRGC isn’t the only player here with a ticking clock.

Look at the last two days. Iran refused to return to negotiations, and Trump extended the ceasefire indefinitely. He didn’t escalate. What does that tell you?

Last week, details about the negotiations started to leak. What’s being discussed sure looks a lot like a rebranded JCPOA. If that’s where this ends, with the IRGC still in power, maintaining missile capability and enrichment capacity, giving them $20 billion, with dead American soldiers and destroyed US bases and embassies, people are going to be pissed. It won’t matter what lies Trump tells about it.

Iran’s path has always been simple. They don’t have to win, they just have to not lose and hold out long enough to make a deal. They know the economic pressure doesn’t just hit them, it hits everyone. Trump knows that too, and that’s why he keeps freaking out every few days on Truth Social.

US influence is already taking a hit as our allies openly defy Trump and countries start working around us. The post World War II order that benefited the US for decades is being weakened/destroyed in real time.

To sum it up, your timelines are detached from reality, you ignore global economic and geopolitical consequences, and you assume outcomes that history has never supported. Are you high when you post this stuff? This only touches a few of your talking points; several are just too insane to respond to.

 

[AcnYoda]

@AcnYoda

Where to begin? I’ll say this in the nicest way possible, you have absolutely no clue what you’re talking about. The timelines you lay out about Iran running out of money, the regime collapsing, and the impact on the world economy are completely detached from reality.

You consistently overestimate the US position and underestimate the Iranian position. That might play well with @KDSTONE and others consuming the same propaganda, but it’s not rooted in the real world. You present best case outcomes as guaranteed without accounting for any risk whatsoever.

“Iran runs out of money in days or weeks without oil exports”

This is wrong. Does it hurt Iran? Absolutely, but not to the level you’re describing. Iran has spent decades building sanctions workarounds, shadow oil markets, and reserve buffers. Oil is critical, but it’s not instant collapse critical.

You’re assuming other countries will work in lockstep with Trump to punish Iran. It’s the only way his strategy would work, but that’s not what’s actually happening. Recent history suggests world leaders would be wise to openly oppose him. He’s a lame duck and deeply unpopular in his own country, and even more unpopular worldwide. Look at what just happened to Viktor Orban. The pendulum is swinging against Trumpism and Trump. Openly opposing him is good politics in much of the world.

History shows that countries break ranks the moment their own economies are at risk, as they are now. As this situation increasingly threatens the global economy, countries will bypass the US to secure their own energy supplies, including our allies.

What happens to the US economy when countries do that? Russia and China have supported Iran quietly so far, but that won’t stay quiet forever because neither benefits from global economic instability. They will prop up the Iranian regime as a check on the US.

You also claim an oil shutdown cripples them for a year. That’s not accurate. Some fields can be damaged by shutdowns, but Iran’s entire system isn’t going offline for a year. Oil, even at reduced levels, will continue to move. Asia is too dependent on Iranian supply for that not to happen.

“The US can take and control Kharg Island”

This is also unrealistic. The US military could take and hold Kharg Island, but you ignore what comes next. Any US presence there would be sitting in Iran’s backyard, within range of artillery, rockets, ballistic missiles, and drones.

Every resupply, every defensive system, and every soldier is exposed. Every escalation you’re proposing invites a response, and you’re ignoring what that response looks like. If Iran’s oil infrastructure is seized or destroyed, they respond by targeting oil infrastructure across the region.

“Global impact is minimal, just slightly higher gas prices”

There is no scenario where removing millions of barrels from global supply doesn’t send shockwaves through every major economy. You’re treating oil markets like they only affect gas prices, when they actually impact every sector of the economy.

It drives up food, shipping, and the overall cost of living. Why would Russia and China tolerate that? Or any country? Why would US citizens tolerate that when Trump campaigned on lowering inflation and avoiding new foreign wars? They wouldn’t and they won’t in November. The IRGC isn’t the only player here with a ticking clock.

Look at the last two days. Iran refused to return to negotiations, and Trump extended the ceasefire indefinitely. He didn’t escalate. What does that tell you?

Last week, details about the negotiations started to leak. What’s being discussed sure looks a lot like a rebranded JCPOA. If that’s where this ends, with the IRGC still in power, maintaining missile capability and enrichment capacity, giving them $20 billion, with dead American soldiers and destroyed US bases and embassies, people are going to be pissed. It won’t matter what lies Trump tells about it.

Iran’s path has always been simple. They don’t have to win, they just have to not lose and hold out long enough to make a deal. They know the economic pressure doesn’t just hit them, it hits everyone. Trump knows that too, and that’s why he keeps freaking out every few days on Truth Social.

US influence is already taking a hit as our allies openly defy Trump and countries start working around us. The post World War II order that benefited the US for decades is being weakened/destroyed in real time.

To sum it up, your timelines are detached from reality, you ignore global economic and geopolitical consequences, and you assume outcomes that history has never supported. Are you high when you post this stuff? This only touches a few of your talking points; several are just too insane to respond to.

I could be wrong, maybe Iran is in a better financial position than everyone online and just about all the tv hosts suggest? I don’t read truth, social, I’m not necessarily pro Republican or pro Democrat, so all of those talking points that you and others like to discredit yourselves by pointing out don’t work with me. I voted for Clinton, I loved Reagan, I actually liked Ross Perot, and I support the total destruction of the IRGC as you should too, and I think you do. I’m not Blue or Red, I’m red white and Blue. Pro America.

Just about everyone on both sides reporting online is suggesting that with the straight closed, Iran is losing $500 million a day, I don’t know about you, but most of us losing $500 million a day cannot sustain those losses for very long. The US does not consume any oil from over there., that’s China’s problem, they should be pushing for the straight to be open. Instead of sending them weapons.

But either way, you could be right or I could be right or we both could be wrong.. Let’s revisit this in a week or two and see what happens.? I’m betting that what’s going to happen is that they’re going to come to an agreement, they’re going to let us take out the enriched Uranium, and one way or another, they’re going to be subjected to inspections and have their missile program dismantled or further degraded. That’s what I think is going to happen. And that’s what a lot of so-called online experts are saying. But like I said only time will tell what happens.

I would imagine that eventually the two sides will work things out and come to some sort of an agreement. But at the end of the day, I know what Trump and the US wants is for Iran to have no chance that the IRGC gets a nuclear bomb. Because if they got one, they would use it to kill millions of innocent people. I hope I responded respectfully also. You make a lot of great points. You went way deeper than me. I just want the IRGC degraded and destroyed.

 

[DuckDevil]

 

[AcnYoda]

i get your what ifs.........so far since way back then getting a nuke hasn't happened yet.....shouldn't that be a NATO led coalition in regards to the regime harming its own citizens

NATO nor anyone else has been willing or able to stop this crazy regime from persuing its nuclear ambitions. But yes, they should be handling that, it’s too big a job for them. Similar to the Nazis of World War II., these people are lunatics they don’t care if they die, to them, that’s a promotion, their only goal is to kill all of the Jews, like the Nazi’s tried and almost succeeded in doing, and to then destroy America. That’s their goal.

So, since somebody had to have the courage to take on and dismantle this evil psychotic regime? It might as well be the US and Israel. And we are doing it very strategically. I’m pleased with the outcome so far. I think now we starve the regime for a few more weeks, if they break the ceasefire, we bomb the crap out of them more, we take Karg island, and we show them who’s boss. They wouldn’t even be this strong except for past presidents kept kicking the can down the road. And now it’s a now or never situation. But I don’t want this to be about Trump, that’s the biggest issue here, everyone either loves MAGA Trump or is Anti Trump. So those who love him make excuses for his poor choices which are numerous. And those who dislike or hate him, appear to want Iran to win, the law breakers to win, to corrupt to win. That’s not helpful. I try to keep things about common sense policy.
1) Was it the correct thing to do for the USA and the world to go in and weaken Iran? Yes it was.
2) Is it a good thing to stop corrupt politicians from getting wealthy through insider trading? Yes.
3) Should we as a country enforce strong borders and keep actual criminals out? Of course we should.

I could go on and on and most intelligent people would agree. But would there be a better way to accomplish many of our policy objectives to break less eggs and create more unity along the way? Probably yes. But the overall policy to weaken the IRGC is the right one, to not allow them to have a nuclear weapon, to enforce strong borders, to remove specifically the hardcore terrorists and criminals from this country, yes we should. Should so,e of our politicians be monitored better so they stop getting wealthy at the taxpayers expense? Yes. It’s the methodology and the way these policies are addressed T could use some tweaking. I think tgis administration goes too far too fast and creates division amongst the two sides, and I prefer we are All pro USA. Or those who aren’t should get out of this country, and some have. I agree. People who hate america should leave a country you hate.

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

Now suddenly, Tucker is against it? What changed? Please explain? If anything, the IRGC has now proven to be even more crazy and dangerous than ever before. So suddenly these news clowns are taking a polar opposite position? The only logical reason. Money. Some politicians like Chris Moron Murphy/ Same thing. He’s prettt much Pro Iran now.

The tone is going to go downhill very fast if you insist on using juvenile nicknames like "Moron Murphy."

What changed is that (1) it wasn't an urgent matter; (2) our President has no plan; (3) we've made an absolutely abhorrent regime look sympathetic to the rest of the world by bombing a school on day one and using the threat of war crimes against the Iranian people and civilization; (4) we did not build any coalition or support; (5) we've insulted and abused allies; (6) inflation, groceries, and gas were already straining us and now they're all worse; (7) the tune keeps changing.

I'm probably forgetting several more things. As has been said here repeatedly, everyone knows Iran was a problem. That does not justify attempting regime change at all costs, with no clear strategy.

And none of that means some kind of dark Soros money is behind it! That's such a copout. It requires no proof on your part. It's lazy.

 

[AcnYoda]

The tone is going to go downhill very fast if you insist on using juvenile nicknames like "Moron Murphy."

What changed is that (1) it wasn't an urgent matter; (2) our President has no plan; (3) we've made an absolutely abhorrent regime look sympathetic to the rest of the world by bombing a school on day one and using the threat of war crimes against the Iranian people and civilization; (4) we did not build any coalition or support; (5) we've insulted and abused allies; (6) inflation, groceries, and gas were already straining us and now they're all worse; (7) the tune keeps changing.

I'm probably forgetting several more things. As has been said here repeatedly, everyone knows Iran was a problem. That does not justify attempting regime change at all costs, with no clear strategy.

And none of that means some kind of dark Soros money is behind it! That's such a copout. It requires no proof on your part. It's lazy.

I did not say anything about dark money. But please let’s not be naive. China is competing with us, they want to take Taiwan, so they are messing with us wherever and whenever they can. As they probably should. If some but not all of our allies that we contribute billions of dollars to, don’t back us up when we need them, then they should be called out for it. We are adding new allies and we will hold the current allies to a higher standard moving forward.

i do agree with you that The IRGC is an abhorrent regime. I think it was becoming more and more urgent that we confronted Iran NOW. I believe in the concept of “Peace through Strength”. I think Reagan used this to his advantage, and I think We are using it now. I believe Biden was a weakling and a huge disaster. So, compared to him, any president would look powerful. I really dislike him. I do A lot of the grocery shopping in my home, and I’m buying a dozen eggs here in Socal for $1.99 to $2.99 a dozen. Very cheap. Milk, butter, eggs, etc are all affordable right now. Protein is a bit pricy but other stuff is affordable right Now, the inflation argument was much more true prior to Trumps current Presidency. Yes Murphy saying what he said online makes him a huge clown show. He is Anti USA.

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

I did not say anything about dark money. But please let’s not be naive. China is competing with us, they want to take Taiwan, so they are messing with us wherever and whenever they can. As they probably should. If some but not all of our allies that we contribute billions of dollars to, don’t back us up when we need them, then they should be called out for it. We are adding new allies and we will hold the current allies to a higher standard moving forward.

i do agree with you that The IRGC is an abhorrent regime. I think it was becoming more and more urgent that we confronted Iran NOW. I believe in the concept of “Peace through Strength”. I think Reagan used this to his advantage, and I think We are using it now. I believe Biden was a weakling and a huge disaster. So, compared to him, any president would look powerful. I really dislike him. I do A lot of the grocery shopping in my home, and I’m buying a dozen eggs here in Socal for $1.99 to $2.99 a dozen. Very cheap. Milk, butter, eggs, etc are all affordable right now. Protein is a bit pricy but other stuff is affordable right Now, the inflation argument was much more true prior to Trumps current Presidency. Yes Murphy saying what he said online makes him a huge clown show. He is Anti USA.

I don't have time for your comical rationalizing today.

 

[DuckDevil]

This is great messaging from Senator Rick Scott, and other Republicans should take notice. Florida, a GOP stronghold and longtime testing ground for conservative policies led by GOP star and icon and soon to be 2028 presidential candidate Ron DeSantis, is now seeing its own senator point out that Florida’s unemployment is higher than the national average, the state has lost 43,000 jobs, and it has one of the worst performing job markets in the country, but…

You should double down and keep them in charge so they can continue the failed policies that created the mess in the first place. That’s the GOP midterm message in a nutshell. Look past the job losses, the higher unemployment, the faltering economy, endless wars, and give them another chance to make things even worse.



This is a pretty crazy poll released by Fox News. For the first time since 2010, Americans trust Democrats more on the economy than Republicans. Wow. An absolutely insane turnaround from a year and a half ago. At what point does the survival instinct for Republicans kick in, and they turn on Trump like they did with Bush? At some point, you have to abandon a sinking ship, right?

 

[BOOGIEMAN1914]

This post of yours is proof of party politics. You said nothing the last four years about lack of leadership, but now that Trump is in office, suddenly the President is criticized. I did it too with Biden. We watch the news that is going to say what we want them to. Fox and Newsmax have their viewers, and so do CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC. You can watch Fox for 20 minutes and think Trump parted the Red Sea. Flip it to CNN and you'd think Trump is Satan's brother.

I swear I think it's all planned this way. The media divide filters to us out here being divided. All to keep us fighting with each other, while both sides get wealthier. It's been said thousands of times: they spend millions to make $200 thousand a year. Yet somehow they manage to be worth millions within 10 years. But the other side is the evil one.

if thats what you take from it...the previous leadership wasn't perfect but in MY eyes, it didn't behave in the way this does and that means a lot in my book, I am all for efforts being made for the best intentions of the masses rather than the few.........my criticism is about this WAR and all that entails it........you/we still have the responsibility of discerning fact from bs regardless of which news media outlet we rely on.....and to your last sentence, how about BILIIONS in a year?

 

[Mac9192]

if thats what you take from it...the previous leadership wasn't perfect but in MY eyes, it didn't behave in the way this does and that means a lot in my book,

So your version of being critical of the Biden presidency is his leadership wasn't perfect. Wow, you're really letting him have it. You definitely didn't watch what I did the previous four years. You don't like the way this administration behaves. I get it to a point. But it's still just a weak cop out. It bothers you, and because of that, you can't look past that to see anything of substance. Your mind is made up because you simply don't like Trump.

I still think you play party politics. But hey, you aren't the only one.

 

[DuckDevil]

if thats what you take from it...the previous leadership wasn't perfect but in MY eyes, it didn't behave in the way this does and that means a lot in my book, I am all for efforts being made for the best intentions of the masses rather than the few.........my criticism is about this WAR and all that entails it........you/we still have the responsibility of discerning fact from bs regardless of which news media outlet we rely on.....and to your last sentence, how about BILIIONS in a year?

To be technical, $4 billion has come through direct corruption schemes so far. He’s also attempting to steal $10 billion directly from U.S. taxpayers through the Treasury via a bogus lawsuit against the IRS. Since he has yes-men running those departments, I expect he’ll be successful. All of this is public information that’s easily accessible if you look for it.

And we’re only a year and a half in. It’s not an exaggeration to say this is the most corrupt president and administration in U.S. history.

 

[KDSTONE]

This is great messaging from Senator Rick Scott, and other Republicans should take notice. Florida, a GOP stronghold and longtime testing ground for conservative policies led by GOP star and icon and soon to be 2028 presidential candidate Ron DeSantis, is now seeing its own senator point out that Florida’s unemployment is higher than the national average, the state has lost 43,000 jobs, and it has one of the worst performing job markets in the country, but…

You should double down and keep them in charge so they can continue the failed policies that created the mess in the first place. That’s the GOP midterm message in a nutshell. Look past the job losses, the higher unemployment, the faltering economy, endless wars, and give them another chance to make things even worse.



This is a pretty crazy poll released by Fox News. For the first time since 2010, Americans trust Democrats more on the economy than Republicans. Wow. An absolutely insane turnaround from a year and a half ago. At what point does the survival instinct for Republicans kick in, and they turn on Trump like they did with Bush? At some point, you have to abandon a sinking ship, right?

Florida’s housing boom is undergoing a correction currently thanks to soaring insurance costs ( hurricanes). Companies are reluctant to build, and it’s harder to sell existing properties especially in high end areas like Miami and Palm Beach. Its economy is more heavily tied to tourism than most, and it’s therefore affected more by record inflation numbers of the past 5 years. The war in Iran has not been a factor in the latest job numbers ( Feb 26). All that said, Florida’s 4.6 unemployment rate is a tick above the national average, but still far below California’s 5.5%.
Not surprisingly, crickets on California.
“Endless wars”? lol. It’s been two months.
“Turn on Trump”? I thought it was a cult. Is leaving an option? If you Leftists could figure it out, let us know.
You say Florida is a Republican stronghold, so you should be aware that its economic successes of past years derive from that governance. Yes, it’s in a slowdown due to the unique challenges mentioned. No other state has as much residential coastline impacted by soaring insurance costs. It takes a lot of mental jujitsu to tie this to current Republican policy. Cali benefits from the largest tech sector in the world, fertile soil farmers have wet dreams over, and a huge media presence. Yes, someone deserves credit for building this, but I’m pretty sure Gavin Newsom and Nancy Pelosi are not the ones to thank.
Maybe you should stick to Adam Sandler movies that weren’t even funny when they first came out.

 

[KDSTONE]

To be technical, $4 billion has come through direct corruption schemes so far. He’s also currently attempting to steal $10 billion directly from U.S. taxpayers through the Treasury via a bogus lawsuit against the IRS. All of this is public information that’s easily accessible if you look for it.

And we’re only a year and a half in. It’s not an exaggeration to say this is the most corrupt president and administration in U.S. history.

Bernie Sanders is your source? Come on bro

I’ll say it loud and as simply as I can for those of you in the back. A sitting Pres should not be allowed to sue a fed agency full stop. This is a conflict of interest under any definition.

 

[DuckDevil]

Staying on the topic of corruption, we shouldn’t ignore the blatant insider trading that seems to happen right before nearly every Trump announcement. What’s even more striking is that none of the major American news outlets have picked up the story. I can’t help but wonder if that has anything to do with Trump allies buying up U.S. news networks.

 

[DuckDevil]

Florida’s housing boom is undergoing a correction currently thanks to soaring insurance costs ( hurricanes). Companies are reluctant to build, and it’s harder to sell existing properties especially in high end areas like Miami and Palm Beach. Its economy is more heavily tied to tourism than most, and it’s therefore affected more by record inflation numbers of the past 5 years. The war in Iran has not been a factor in the latest job numbers ( Feb 26). All that said, Florida’s 4.6 unemployment rate is a tick above the national average, but still far below California’s 5.5%.
Not surprisingly, crickets on California.
“Endless wars”? lol. It’s been two months.
“Turn on Trump”? I thought it was a cult. Is leaving an option? If you Leftists could figure it out, let us know.
You say Florida is a Republican stronghold, so you should be aware that its economic successes of past years derive from that governance. Yes, it’s in a slowdown due to the unique challenges mentioned. No other state has as much residential coastline impacted by soaring insurance costs. It takes a lot of mental jujitsu to tie this to current Republican policy. Cali benefits from the largest tech sector in the world, fertile soil farmers have wet dreams over, and a huge media presence. Yes, someone deserves credit for building this, but I’m pretty sure Gavin Newsom and Nancy Pelosi are not the ones to thank.
Maybe you should stick to Adam Sandler movies that weren’t even funny when they first came out.

I’m sorry you disagree with Republican Senator Rick Scott’s midterm campaign message regarding Florida. You should probably take that up with his office.

And if you can’t appreciate the artistic genius of Billy Madison and 90s Adam Sandler, that’s a pretty sad existence to lead. It’s no wonder you’re so angry all the time.

 

[KDSTONE]

Staying with corruption, we shouldn’t leave out the blatant insider trading that suspiciously happens right before every single Trump announcement. What’s really crazy is that none of the American news giants have picked up this story. I wonder if that’s because of all the Trump allies who bought up the US news networks?

So “Trump allies” have bought up the US news networks? And now they’re hesitant to cover stories that paint Trump in a bad light? I owe you an apology. I’ve clearly underestimated your sense of humor.

 

[KDSTONE]

I’m sorry you disagree with Republican Senator Rick Scott’s midterm campaign message regarding Florida. You should probably take that up with his office.

And if you can’t appreciate the artistic genius of Billy Madison and 90s Adam Sandler, that’s a pretty sad existence to lead. It’s no wonder you’re so angry all the time

I was wondering who watched that crap. Now I know. A friend back when I was in school dragged me to that ****** little golf movie he did, might have been the longest two hrs of my life. I’d rather reread your posts about deterrence theory.
I’m “angry all the time”? Go back and read some of your greatest hits over the past few months.

 

[KDSTONE]

I agree they do this intentionally in the media by design to divide us. But the truth is always the truth. The IRGC is a satanic cult of a power and like Nazi’s needs to be destroyed!! Their entire religion is based upon bringing their GOD, the antichrist bsck riding on a Whitehorse to rule the earth for 7 years, based where? In Jarusalem. Everything that’s happening is in the Bible, it’s prophetic. And we need to destroy the IRGC or they plan to bring End times to the world and they aren’t hiding this. It’s who they are and what they say and believe.

True. They’ve been saying this crazy sh for years and the media either downplays it or flat ignores it.

 

[KDSTONE]

i get your what ifs.........so far since way back then getting a nuke hasn't happened yet.....shouldn't that be a NATO led coalition in regards to the regime harming its own citizens

Iran is not a member of NATO. It’s irrelevant here. As for the UN, they were tasked with ensuring that Hezbollah did not rearm in southern Lebanon. How’d that work out?

 

[DuckDevil]

So “Trump allies” have bought up the US news networks? And now they’re hesitant to cover stories that paint Trump in a bad light? I owe you an apology. I’ve clearly underestimated your sense of humor.

I wouldn’t say hesitant is the right word. They simply don’t cover it. It would be, and is, headline worthy in any other Western country, which is why the BBC is covering it.

Off the top of my head:

Rupert Murdoch: Fox News, Fox Business, The Wall Street Journal, New York Post, and other global outlets.

David Smith: Sinclair Broadcast Group, The Baltimore Sun, and the largest owner of local TV stations in the U.S.

David Ellison: CBS News, the CBS network, Paramount, and potentially CNN, HBO, Warner Bros., and Discovery if the merger goes through, consolidating broadcast, cable news, and major entertainment under one ownership, with Trump supporting the deal and his administration overseeing the regulatory decision.

This also doesn’t take into account Elon Musk’s purchase of Twitter or Mark Zuckerberg’s pivot toward turning Facebook into a right wing echo chamber for boomers.

I could go on.

 

[KDSTONE]

NATO nor anyone else has been willing or able to stop this crazy regime from persuing its nuclear ambitions. But yes, they should be handling that, it’s too big a job for them. Similar to the Nazis of World War II., these people are lunatics they don’t care if they die, to them, that’s a promotion, their only goal is to kill all of the Jews, like the Nazi’s tried and almost succeeded in doing, and to then destroy America. That’s their goal.

So, since somebody had to have the courage to take on and dismantle this evil psychotic regime? It might as well be the US and Israel. And we are doing it very strategically. I’m pleased with the outcome so far. I think now we starve the regime for a few more weeks, if they break the ceasefire, we bomb the crap out of them more, we take Karg island, and we show them who’s boss. They wouldn’t even be this strong except for past presidents kept kicking the can down the road. And now it’s a now or never situation. But I don’t want this to be about Trump, that’s the biggest issue here, everyone either loves MAGA Trump or is Anti Trump. So those who love him make excuses for his poor choices which are numerous. And those who dislike or hate him, appear to want Iran to win, the law breakers to win, to corrupt to win. That’s not helpful. I try to keep things about common sense policy.
1) Was it the correct thing to do for the USA and the world to go in and weaken Iran? Yes it was.
2) Is it a good thing to stop corrupt politicians from getting wealthy through insider trading? Yes.
3) Should we as a country enforce strong borders and keep actual criminals out? Of course we should.

I could go on and on and most intelligent people would agree. But would there be a better way to accomplish many of our policy objectives to break less eggs and create more unity along the way? Probably yes. But the overall policy to weaken the IRGC is the right one, to not allow them to have a nuclear weapon, to enforce strong borders, to remove specifically the hardcore terrorists and criminals from this country, yes we should. Should so,e of our politicians be monitored better so they stop getting wealthy at the taxpayers expense? Yes. It’s the methodology and the way these policies are addressed T could use some tweaking. I think tgis administration goes too far too fast and creates division amongst the two sides, and I prefer we are All pro USA. Or those who aren’t should get out of this country, and some have. I agree. People who hate america should leave a country you hate.

NATO has a limited objective. To come to the aid of members attacked. Iran is not a member, therefore this is not NATO’s fight or responsibility. It seldom involves itself with internal matters. Largely it deters outsiders from atttacking a member state. In a nutshell, this is why Russia was so hellbent on Ukraine not joining NATO.
That said, I agree with the overall thrust of your post. Wars are messy, and there’s plenty to dissect here. What happens in the next few weeks is crucial to getting a good deal Anything short of securing their nuclear dust will be a disappointment. Future feckless, incompetent Pres will likely allow them to continue their nuke program unabated, but if their program is disabled for even ten years then it will have been worth it. I believe they’re crazy enough to use a nuke.

 

[DuckDevil]

NATO has a limited objective. To come to the aid of members attacked. Iran is not a member, therefore this is not NATO’s fight or responsibility. It seldom involves itself with internal matters. Largely it deters outsiders from atttacking a member state. In a nutshell, this is why Russia was so hellbent on Ukraine not joining NATO.
That said, I agree with the overall thrust of your post. Wars are messy, and there’s plenty to dissect here. What happens in the next few weeks is crucial to getting a good deal Anything short of securing their nuclear dust will be a disappointment. Future feckless, incompetent Pres will likely allow them to continue their nuke program unabated, but if their program is disabled for even ten years then it will have been worth it. I believe they’re crazy enough to use a nuke.

Securing “dust,” as idiots refer to enriched uranium, is meaningless if you allow them to continue enrichment under the new deal you strike.

 

[KDSTONE]

The tone is going to go downhill very fast if you insist on using juvenile nicknames like "Moron Murphy."

What changed is that (1) it wasn't an urgent matter; (2) our President has no plan; (3) we've made an absolutely abhorrent regime look sympathetic to the rest of the world by bombing a school on day one and using the threat of war crimes against the Iranian people and civilization; (4) we did not build any coalition or support; (5) we've insulted and abused allies; (6) inflation, groceries, and gas were already straining us and now they're all worse; (7) the tune keeps changing.

I'm probably forgetting several more things. As has been said here repeatedly, everyone knows Iran was a problem. That does not justify attempting regime change at all costs, with no clear strategy.

And none of that means some kind of dark Soros money is behind it! That's such a copout. It requires no proof on your part. It's lazy.

So, this is getting tiresome, you and Boogie think that Tucker has “seen the light”, eh?
Does this strike you as a man who recently has pivoted toward sanity and rational thought? Have you two watched any of his podcasts the past two years? I’ll take that as a no.

Tucker Carlson's Lies About Jews and Israel | Aish

The popular podcaster is spreading malicious lies about the Jewish State and Jews worldwide.

aish.com

 

[AcnYoda]

True. They’ve been saying this crazy sh for years and the media either downplays it or flat ignores it.

Exactly, you know what I noticed lately common sense is not that common anymore. That’s a sad thing to say for this country., but there are too many people who have black and white data in front of us one plus one equals two, and for some reason, some people think 1+1 = 5? That’s not how it works. Lol.

 

[KDSTONE]

Securing “dust,” as idiots refer to enriched uranium, is meaningless if you allow them to continue enrichment under the new deal you strike.

Oh you just called me an idiot again because I used the term “dust”. Well not again, because you usually call anyone who disagrees with your “analysis” a joke or a clown. You’re evolving!

No continued uranium enrichment I agree. That’s the most sensible thing you’ve said in weeks. Other than that brilliant dissertation about deterrence theory that was uncannily similar to an article that was on Time magazine’s website two days prior to your post. Oops

 

[AcnYoda]

NATO has a limited objective. To come to the aid of members attacked. Iran is not a member, therefore this is not NATO’s fight or responsibility. It seldom involves itself with internal matters. Largely it deters outsiders from atttacking a member state. In a nutshell, this is why Russia was so hellbent on Ukraine not joining NATO.
That said, I agree with the overall thrust of your post. Wars are messy, and there’s plenty to dissect here. What happens in the next few weeks is crucial to getting a good deal Anything short of securing their nuclear dust will be a disappointment. Future feckless, incompetent Pres will likely allow them to continue their nuke program unabated, but if their program is disabled for even ten years then it will have been worth it. I believe they’re crazy enough to use a nuke.

Yup. The biggest question is, when we hear the president and a lot of so called former generals and so called experts who all pretty much say that the clock for Iran is ticking and if we don’t end this blockage their wells will be shut down and their economy crumbles? If true? Then we are holding all of the cards here. If not true, like the duck dirt devil says, and he may know better than everyone else? Then Iran might have a few more cards to play? I am not a global military operation war expert. But it apppears to me like Iran is F’d. I don’t want a deal. I want them annihilated. Humiliated and destroyed. That regime NOT the people of Iran. The people are great and deserve a better regime running their country. NOW.

 

[AcnYoda]

Securing “dust,” as idiots refer to enriched uranium, is meaningless if you allow them to continue enrichment under the new deal you strike.

I agree we can’t just secure the dust. They can’t continue enrichment. 100% correct. I’ll take it one step further. For me the IRGC isn’t allowed to be in charge of ish. Their options should be surrender or perish.

 

[AcnYoda]

Oh you just called me an idiot again because I used the term “dust”. Well not again, because you usually call anyone who disagrees with your “analysis” a joke or a clown. You’re evolving!

No continued uranium enrichment I agree. That’s the most sensible thing you’ve said in weeks. Other than that brilliant dissertation about deterrence theory that was uncannily similar to an article that was on Time magazine’s website two days prior to your post. Oops

Kid. You’re doing great, my attorney once taught me, once the other person resorts to anger or name calling,,you’ve won the argument. But I like the Dirt Duck Devil, because he back up his argument with paragraphs of detailed info. All he has to do is cut out the name calling and keep making an argument and this becomes a really fun discussion. I’m not even saying he’s wrong? I don’t know? He seems pretty confident.

 

[KDSTONE]

Kid. You’re doing great, my attorney once taught me, once the other person resorts to anger or name calling,,you’ve won the argument. But I like the Dirt Duck Devil, because he back up his argument with paragraphs of detailed info. All he has to do is cut out the name calling and keep making an argument and this becomes a really fun discussion. I’m not even saying he’s wrong? I don’t know? He seems pretty confident.

Detailed info? It’s moral grandstanding and regurgitation of talking points. Cut out the name calling? Never. That’s who he is at his core. He shows up out of the blue after hiding in his hole for years. His agenda is to bash Trump and his supporters, nothing more nothing less. The rest is window dressing, a rehash of arguments he’s read.
He’s even gone as far as wishing bad things to happen to us, you know the 70 m people who voted for Trump. This is not reflective of a man ( person, Lord knows I don’t want to misgender anyone) who is operating in good faith.

 

[KDSTONE]

Yup. The biggest question is, when we hear the president and a lot of so called former generals and so called experts who all pretty much say that the clock for Iran is ticking and if we don’t end this blockage their wells will be shut down and their economy crumbles? If true? Then we are holding all of the cards here. If not true, like the duck dirt devil says, and he may know better than everyone else? Then Iran might have a few more cards to play? I am not a global military operation war expert. But it apppears to me like Iran is F’d. I don’t want a deal. I want them annihilated. Humiliated and destroyed. That regime NOT the people of Iran. The people are great and deserve a better regime running their country. NOW.

Iran holds the cards. They can’t export oil but they have a shadow economy and they’re used to sanctions! Haven’t you been reading his essays? Duck knows more than all of our military and intelligence analysts put together

 

[KDSTONE]

Kid. You’re doing great, my attorney once taught me, once the other person resorts to anger or name calling,,you’ve won the argument. But I like the Dirt Duck Devil, because he back up his argument with paragraphs of detailed info. All he has to do is cut out the name calling and keep making an argument and this becomes a really fun discussion. I’m not even saying he’s wrong? I don’t know? He seems pretty confident.

Yup. The biggest question is, when we hear the president and a lot of so called former generals and so called experts who all pretty much say that the clock for Iran is ticking and if we don’t end this blockage their wells will be shut down and their economy crumbles? If true? Then we are holding all of the cards here. If not true, like the duck dirt devil says, and he may know better than everyone else? Then Iran might have a few more cards to play? I am not a global military operation war expert. But it apppears to me like Iran is F’d. I don’t want a deal. I want them annihilated. Humiliated and destroyed. That regime NOT the people of Iran. The people are great and deserve a better regime running their country. NOW.

Good point. They have nowhere to put the oil. Their economy is wrecked. Their currency is worthless. Half of the work force is laid off. This is not sustainable.

 

[AcnYoda]

Iran holds the cards. They can’t export oil but they have a shadow economy and they’re used to sanctions! Haven’t you been reading his essays? Duck knows more than all of our military and intelligence analysts put together

Yes, that’s the thing he says that I ran hold all the carts or most of the cards or a lot of the carts, but all of these military experts, informer generals and media personalities and the news are saying that Iran is going to be effed if they don’t find a place to store all the oil that their pumps are generating because they’re running out of storage for it?? But the duck dirt devil disagrees with this? But he writes paragraphs with a lot of detailed information to support his position. So, that’s pretty impressive.

Dirt duck devil says The IRGC is winning. Who knew ?

 

[KDSTONE]

Yes, that’s the thing he says that I ran hold all the carts or most of the cards or a lot of the carts, but all of these military experts, informer generals and media personalities and the news are saying that Iran is going to be effed if they don’t find a place to store all the oil that their pumps are generating because they’re running out of storage for it?? But the duck dirt devil disagrees with this? But he writes paragraphs with a lot of detailed information to support his position. So, that’s pretty impressive.

Dirt duck devil says The IRGC is winning. Who knew ?

He’s not entirely wrong. The IRGC doesnt give two sh- about its population so they think they can outlast us. Even if their military is completely destroyed, if the IRGC is still in place at the end of this, they will claim victory. They won’t have nukes at the end of Trump’s Pres but they will resume efforts once a Dem takes the WH. Hopefully not in 28 but the Dems are in a good spot politically if they choose wisely with their nominee. That’s the scary part.

 

[AcnYoda]

He’s not entirely wrong. The IRGC doesnt give two sh- about its population so they think they can outlast us. Even if their military is completely destroyed, if the IRGC is still in place at the end of this, they will claim victory. They won’t have nukes at the end of Trump’s Pres but they will resume efforts once a Dem takes the WH. Hopefully not in 28 but the Dems are in a good spot politically if they choose wisely with their nominee. That’s the scary part.

I think the Dems best shot at winning an election is to go with someone like a Stephen A Smith, he’s African American, he’s well spoken, and he generally says common sense things, so if the Dems were to pivot to common sense talking points, then he’s their best guy if they don’t pivot to Michelle Obama. If they run any of their far left lunatics, I don’t think they’ll win anything until the 14th of Neverary. the IRGC has to make a deal because if not, they won’t have a country, any economy left, their current clown show leaders are about to be eliminate and these guys are all hiding under rocks and inside caves at this point. Once more huge attack by our military which I’d imagine is coming soon ,and the IRGC won’t have anything left to govern. Their military is destroyed in spite of the lies the Fake news is spewing, thier leaders are gone, their navy is on the bottom of the ocean, all they have are poor defenseless mini boats. Those will be destroyed next. I know the IRGC thinks they can wait this thing out, and the Dirt Devil also seems to think this, but they are wrong. This regime is toast. done. they won’t survive this “Special Military operation.“. They are like the Nazi’s, and they should be eliminated. ASAP. Just to trigger a few folks…

 

[AcnYoda]

Good point. They have nowhere to put the oil. Their economy is wrecked. Their currency is worthless. Half of the work force is laid off. This is not sustainable.

Exactly. This regime is about to be bankrupt. I know China would like to keep them in power so they can get cheap oil but I just don’t see that happening at this point. We will take Karg island this week or next and this regime is toast.

 

[KDSTONE]

You’re moving the goalposts. You said the IAEA called Iran’s program “imminent” to justify this war, and that was a lie. You then repeated variations of this lie in subsequent post to try and make your point. Now you’re pivoting to “common sense” and worst-case assumptions to fill that gap. Enriching to 60% raises concern, but concern is not proof of a weapons program. The IAEA has been clear it does not have evidence Iran is currently building a nuclear weapon. You don’t get to cite the IAEA and then ignore what it actually says because it doesn’t support your conclusion. Both the IAEA and the UN have consistently pushed for diplomacy and negotiations, which is the exact opposite of the path Trump and Netanyahu chose. Under the JCPOA, Iran was capped at 3.67% enrichment with enhanced inspections, and they never would have been at 60% if Trump hadn’t stupidly pulled out of the deal Obama put in place.

Step back and look at the signal this war sends. The worst-case scenario is now playing out in real time. Not having a nuclear bomb allowed Iran to be attacked, get the crap bombed out of it, and have its leadership, including Khamenei, some family members, and senior officials, assassinated. Khamenei was the one who prohibited the development of a nuclear weapon. Why would the new leadership take the same path going forward? From a self-preservation standpoint, that would be incredibly stupid and suicidal. This is well established in deterrence and security theory. When states feel vulnerable, they seek stronger means of deterrence. The only form of deterrence that works today is having nuclear weapons.

If you’re a non-nuclear country watching this, what lesson are you taking? North Korea has repeatedly threatened the US and its allies with nuclear attacks and hasn’t been attacked. Why? Trump even went to North Korea, met with Kim Jong Un, and bragged about their “love letters.” This is because they have nuclear weapons. You’ve already gone to war with Iran. Why wouldn’t Iran be pursuing a nuclear weapon now, along with other non-nuclear countries watching this play out?

It’s entirely possible that 60% enrichment was meant to act as a deterrent short of building an actual weapon, and if that was the strategy, this war just proved it doesn’t work. Being able to build a bomb is not enough, you have to actually have one. There were options to prevent Iran from getting a bomb before this started, and those were abandoned by Trump when he pulled out of the JCPOA. Now the incentive structure has changed. This doesn’t stop proliferation, it accelerates it, and the world is less safe as a result.

How War With Iran Could Lead to More Nuclear Weapons Around the World

Trump says his goal is to stop Iran from getting a nuclear bomb. But experts say the result might be lots more nukes across the globe.

time.com

I think the dude from Time beat you to the punch by a couple of days. Don’t worry. No one’s accusing you of plagiarism just regurgitation.
Datt and Boogie, this is as good a time as any to wipe the stars out of your eyes and start thinking for yourselves. You two have become parrots of late. Never pushing back, giving this guy a rubber stamp. Very disappointed in you two. Well, Boogie. My expectations for you Datt, well pretty much zero. You just lap up all of his analysis when he just regurgitates what he reads online.
He clearly presents others’ ideas as his own. Sad. Great minds think alike. Smart people naturally come to the same conclusions!
Save it. The jig is up