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“What Trump offers is an easy escape from the pain. To every complex problem, he promises a simple solution. He can bring jobs back simply by punishing offshoring companies into submission. As he told a New Hampshire crowd—folks all too familiar with the opioid scourge—he can cure the addiction epidemic by building a Mexican wall and keeping the cartels out. He will spare the United States from humiliation and military defeat with indiscriminate bombing. It doesn’t matter that no credible military leader has endorsed his plan. He never offers details for how these plans will work, because he can’t. Trump’s promises are the needle in America’s collective vein.”

- JD Vance (2016)




You ignore the fact that Gulf states were also pressuring Trump to attack Iran. The Left likes to play this little game. Israel is isolated. Israel is a pariah. Genocidal!
In reality, Iran has no allies, Lebanon just kicked out the Iranian ambassador and the other Gulf states have more in common with Israeli security goals than Iran’s
 

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“What Trump offers is an easy escape from the pain. To every complex problem, he promises a simple solution. He can bring jobs back simply by punishing offshoring companies into submission. As he told a New Hampshire crowd—folks all too familiar with the opioid scourge—he can cure the addiction epidemic by building a Mexican wall and keeping the cartels out. He will spare the United States from humiliation and military defeat with indiscriminate bombing. It doesn’t matter that no credible military leader has endorsed his plan. He never offers details for how these plans will work, because he can’t. Trump’s promises are the needle in America’s collective vein.”

- JD Vance (2016)




So one minute, Trump is easily manipulated by the Jews, I mean Israel.
The next minute, he is a crazy dictator who just does whatever he wants.
Have you ever been IQ tested? Ballpark?
 

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Tough week for MAGA. Let’s check in to see how things are going…

The economy:





Trumps focus:





MAGA people realizing they were
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Melania holds a surprise press conference to get out ahead of some Epstein news coming down the pipe:

 

KDSTONE

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Tough week for MAGA. Let’s check in to see how things are going…

The economy:





Trumps focus:





MAGA people realizing they were
conned:











Melania holds a surprise press conference to get out ahead of some Epstein news coming down the pipe:


I didn’t read any of that. There was a time when I actually took you somewhat seriously. Obviously obsessed with Israel and Trump, but here you are retweeting Candace Jones, Alex Jones, you’re a joke at this point. You’re so far down the rabbit hole you’re making Dattier look like the sane, rational one.
 

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Tough week for MAGA. Let’s check in to see how things are going…

The economy:





Trumps focus:





MAGA people realizing they were
conned:











Melania holds a surprise press conference to get out ahead of some Epstein news coming down the pipe:


Is this meant to be satire?
 

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I stated more of your talking points, so that's basically all you've got. And you continue it here. Anything to avoid talking about the Epstein Files or murdering Iranian schoolchildren. Tell me more about how high the Dow is.
Blah blah. You continue to like 👍 a guy who retweets Alex Jones and Candace Jones posts that dehumanizes Israelis. When’s enough enough bro?
 

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You ignore the fact that Gulf states were also pressuring Trump to attack Iran. The Left likes to play this little game. Israel is isolated. Israel is a pariah. Genocidal!
In reality, Iran has no allies, Lebanon just kicked out the Iranian ambassador and the other Gulf states have more in common with Israeli security goals than Iran’s
The NY Times reported 3 days ago exactly how we ended up in this war. Netanyahu himself made the pitch directly to Trump in the Situation Room. You should read it for yourself.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/07/us/politics/trump-iran-war.html

Israel and Iran are both pariahs at this point, and neither has many allies. Israel has one ally that matters though, and that’s the US, and if you think US support for Israel will be the same going forward after this president, you’re delusional.


So one minute, Trump is easily manipulated by the Jews, I mean Israel.
The next minute, he is a crazy dictator who just does whatever he wants.
Have you ever been IQ tested? Ballpark?
You trying to frame my opposition to this stupid war as antisemitism is disgusting but not surprising from you. It illustrates how weak your argument is. The American people see through that BS as well. If you really cared about Israel, you would admit the damage that the right and Netanyahu have done to Israel and the ramifications of the last few years for the future. You would be advocating for change, but you don’t really care though; you’re just a mouthpiece for the party’s propaganda. A party that will lead the nation of Israel to ruin.

Multiple times in this discussion, I’ve pointed out how you lie and make up information. It’s clear to anyone reading with any level of comprehension that you don’t know what you’re talking about on the vast majority of the topics you opine on. You should follow @mac9192’s example and take a mental health break from this thread. Retreat to a safe space. You’re embarrassing yourself.

Multiple things can be true at the same time. Trump is a moron. Trump is almost 80 years old and shows clear signs of dementia. Trump believed Bibi’s lies about how easy a war with Iran would be despite his own advisers supposedly saying the opposite. Trump launched a disastrous war with Iran that has resulted in dead American soldiers, destroyed US bases and assets, and a shattered world economy. Trump is ultimately responsible for his own actions, but to pretend Bibi and the Israeli government aren’t equally responsible is silly. Both are responsible for their parts in this and own the outcome that results.
 
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I didn’t read any of that. There was a time when I actually took you somewhat seriously. Obviously obsessed with Israel and Trump, but here you are retweeting Candace Jones, Alex Jones, you’re a joke at this point. You’re so far down the rabbit hole you’re making Dattier look like the sane, rational one.

Is this meant to be satire?

Blah blah. You continue to like 👍 a guy who retweets Alex Jones and Candace Jones posts that dehumanizes Israelis. When’s enough enough bro?
I’m glad that you stated upfront that you didn’t read any of my posts before you decided to critique it. It shows how you operate in this thread and how generally unprepared you are to comment on much of anything. Given the comprehension levels you’ve displayed here though, I’m not sure how much even reading something can help a guy like you.

If you had read the post, maybe you’d have realized that I was making fun of MAGA and the MAGA influencers for finally realizing that Trump was always a con man. The Trump diehards, the people like @Mac9192, have gotten really quiet these days. This is the part where those people will start trying to distance themselves from what they enabled. They’ll pretend they never supported him, just like you do. 5 years from now, no one will ever admit to having supported Trump at all. To make the assumption that I support these people or their view points is a hilarious take from an unserious guy.

This reality, though, is exactly what you voted for. You and the rest of the right were warned about who he is. You even saw it firsthand during his first term. Yet you still allowed yourself to be fooled. And I hope you guys enjoy the consequences of that decision.
 

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I've been away from this cesspool of a thread for reasons I won't talk about. Am I happy with what I hear out of Trump's mouth, the (in house) bickering from him and commentators from the right? No. I haven't watched much news lately, so I'm more ignorant to what's going on now than I used to be.

What I do know is BOTH sides are nothing short of awful. The side not in office complains about the side that has the power. It appears we replaced a President who had grits for brains with one that is looking unhinged. The one thing in common? Both are too old to be in the positions they got voted in to. No way should anyone over 75 be in charge of any country.
 
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The NY Times reported 3 days ago exactly how we ended up in this war. Netanyahu himself made the pitch directly to Trump in the Situation Room. You should read it for yourself.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/07/us/politics/trump-iran-war.html

Israel and Iran are both pariahs at this point, and neither has many allies. Israel has one ally that matters though, and that’s the US, and if you think US support for Israel will be the same going forward after this president, you’re delusional.



You trying to frame my opposition to this stupid war as antisemitism is disgusting but not surprising from you. It illustrates how weak your argument is. The American people see through that BS as well. If you really cared about Israel, you would admit the damage that the right and Netanyahu have done to Israel and the ramifications of the last few years for the future. You would be advocating for change, but you don’t really care though; you’re just a mouthpiece for the party’s propaganda. A party that will lead the nation of Israel to ruin.

Multiple times in this discussion, I’ve pointed out how you lie and make up information. It’s clear to anyone reading with any level of comprehension that you don’t know what you’re talking about on the vast majority of the topics you opine on. You should follow @mac9192’s example and take a mental health break from this thread. Retreat to a safe space. You’re embarrassing yourself.

Multiple things can be true at the same time. Trump is a moron. Trump is almost 80 years old and shows clear signs of dementia. Trump believed Bibi’s lies about how easy a war with Iran would be despite his own advisers supposedly saying the opposite. Trump launched a disastrous war with Iran that has resulted in dead American soldiers, destroyed US bases and assets, and a shattered world economy. Trump is ultimately responsible for his own actions, but to pretend Bibi and the Israeli government aren’t equally responsible is silly. Both are responsible for their parts in this and own the outcome that results.
You just retweeted Alex Jones and Candace Jones posts. Bye bye.
 
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DuckDevil

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This you @Mac9192?

Enough of this garbage talk. We have a new sheriff in charge. One that is competent and has a set of testicles. If I'm right Datt, brace yourself. You might be in for the ride of your life. Changes are hopefully coming. We've been long overdue.
We know he's 78. He's made to be this alpha tough male because in reality, he really is. I know you'll scoff at that, but it's true. The man has been attacked for years by the elites, corporate media, been shot at, had a potential second attempt thwarted... And guess what? The old man is still moving forward. At a pace no other President has ever worked at.

If he kills over tomorrow with a heart attack, he's still shown more fight and toughness than most men half his age.
This is just an awful take. What you're too dense to understand is there's the Dems, Republicans, and now there's MAGA. MAGA is exactly what it stands for. We aren't Republicans, and we've (I know I have) told you that we don't align with Republicans anymore. You're either on MAGA (Trump's) side, or you're against him. It's that simple, and true.

But, you'd have to get your head out of your *** to see it.
 

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I’m glad that you stated upfront that you didn’t read any of my posts before you decided to critique it. It shows how you operate in this thread and how generally unprepared you are to comment on much of anything. Given the comprehension levels you’ve displayed here though, I’m not sure how much even reading something can help a guy like you.

If you had read the post, maybe you’d have realized that I was making fun of MAGA and the MAGA influencers for finally realizing that Trump was always a con man. The Trump diehards, the people like @Mac9192, have gotten really quiet these days. This is the part where those people will start trying to distance themselves from what they enabled. They’ll pretend they never supported him, just like you do. 5 years from now, no one will ever admit to having supported Trump at all. To make the assumption that I support these people or their view points is a hilarious take from an unserious guy.

This reality, though, is exactly what you voted for. You and the rest of the right were warned about who he is. You even saw it firsthand during his first term. Yet you still allowed yourself to be fooled. And I hope blah blah blah
Wrong again. I never stated that I didn’t read “any of your posts”. You continue to spout nonsense. I voted for him. Sure. He was the lesser of two evils.
I also don’t mind paying a buck or two more for gas if the US is safer. It hits some harder. I get that. The midterms will be punative no doubt as most Americans can only see the short term not the big picture. We’re back in a Sept 10/ Oct 6 mentality
 
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The NY Times reported 3 days ago exactly how we ended up in this war. Netanyahu himself made the pitch directly to Trump in the Situation Room. You should read it for yourself.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/07/us/politics/trump-iran-war.html

Israel and Iran are both pariahs at this point, and neither has many allies. Israel has one ally that matters though, and that’s the US, and if you think US support for Israel will be the same going forward after this president, you’re delusional.



You trying to frame my opposition to this stupid war as antisemitism is disgusting but not surprising from you. It illustrates how weak your argument is. The American people see through that BS as well. If you really cared about Israel, you would admit the damage that the right and Netanyahu have done to Israel and the ramifications of the last few years for the future. You would be advocating for change, but you don’t really care though; you’re just a mouthpiece for the party’s propaganda. A party that will lead the nation of Israel to ruin.

Multiple times in this discussion, I’ve pointed out how you lie and make up information. It’s clear to anyone reading with any level of comprehension that you don’t know what you’re talking about on the vast majority of the topics you opine on. You should follow @mac9192’s example and take a mental health break from this thread. Retreat to a safe space. You’re embarrassing yourself.

Multiple things can be true at the same time. Trump is a moron. Trump is almost 80 years old and shows clear signs of dementia. Trump believed Bibi’s lies about how easy a war with Iran would be despite his own advisers supposedly saying the opposite. Trump launched a disastrous war with Iran that has resulted in dead American soldiers, destroyed US bases and assets, and a shattered world economy. Trump is ultimately responsible for his own actions, but to pretend Bibi and the Israeli government aren’t equally responsible is silly. Both are responsible for their parts in this and own the outcome that results.
No one reads your nonsense anymore. You’re deranged and obsessed with Israel. You have single handedly ruined this thread. You’re a troll and a moron.
 
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Wrong again. I never stated that I didn’t read “any of your posts”. You continue to spout nonsense. I voted for him. Sure. He was the lesser of two evils.
I also don’t mind paying a buck or two more for gas if the US is safer. It hits some harder. I get that. The midterms will be punative no doubt as most Americans can only see the short term not the big picture. We’re back in a Sept 10/ Oct 6 mentality
Saying the US is safer after starting this war demonstrates just how woefully ignorant you are.
 

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Saying the US is safer after starting this war demonstrates just how woefully ignorant you are.
The world’s leading sponsor of terror has had its army, navy, and ballistic missile program decimated. So we’re less safe now?
 

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No one reads your nonsense anymore. You’re deranged and obsessed with Israel. You have single handedly ruined this thread. You’re a troll and a moron.
No. I’ve completely destroyed all of your talking points and exposed you as a joke. You’re upset that you can’t post your BS freely anymore without pushback, and now you’re getting emotional about it.

I love this part, though: “You have single-handedly ruined this thread.” What a baby. No, KD, this thread has always been terrible because of you and your friends and how you’ve treated others in it. You just don’t like it when it gets turned back on you. You only like it when you can gang up on someone else.

The world’s leading sponsor of terror has had its army, navy, and ballistic missile program decimated. So we’re less safe now?
Saying Iran’s army and ballistic missile programs have been destroyed is nonsense, as anyone with eyes can tell, since they continue to launch missiles at will. This war will actually strengthen Iran in the long run. Having the regime survive intact, controlling the strait, and demonstrating on the world stage that the US can’t actually protect its Middle Eastern allies is great for them and catastrophic for us. They’ve demonstrated how easy it is for them to disrupt the energy infrastructure that powers the world. This gives them tremendous leverage in the future. You’re silly to think otherwise.

The only thing this war has accomplished is tripling the rate of inflation in a single month.

Luckily, your opinion and views on this war are in the minority. It doesn’t matter how much you push your false narrative, the American people see through it. Americans don’t agree with this war and are being vocal about it, that pressure is going to lead to good changes in the future, and that’s the part that really upsets you.
 
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Blah blah. You continue to like 👍 a guy who retweets Alex Jones and Candace Jones posts that dehumanizes Israelis. When’s enough enough bro?
Throw in MTG, too. Several odious MAGAts have jumped ship. It's crumbling.

Sight unseen, I unequivocally denounce the dehumanizing of Israelis.
 

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Throw in MTG, too. Several odious MAGAts have jumped ship. It's crumbling.

Sight unseen, I unequivocally denounce the dehumanizing of Israelis.
What KD is doing here is trying to portray my post as something that it’s not. Highlighting what Trump’s oldest and staunchest supporters are now saying about him is hardly endorsing or supporting their opinions. He’s grasping at straws.
 
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he said it represents a doctor though??
The funniest part about that statement/lie is that I’m pretty sure he botched the messaging because he’s a moron. The talking point they were trying to push is that the image was “doctored.” Trump, 79, with his dementia-addled brain, confused that and just said he was a doctor instead.
 

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The funniest part about that statement/lie is that I’m pretty sure he botched the messaging because he’s a moron. The talking point they were trying to push is that the image was “doctored.” Trump, 79, with his dementia-addled brain, confused that and just said he was a doctor instead.
yeah, the explanation all over the place....he said he thought it represented him as a doctor due to "work with red cross"....then vp says "ah, its just a joke"....doc joke or Christ-like joke??
 
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The funniest part about that statement/lie is that I’m pretty sure he botched the messaging because he’s a moron. The talking point they were trying to push is that the image was “doctored.” Trump, 79, with his dementia-addled brain, confused that and just said he was a doctor instead.
So glad to know it is doctored and that he doesn't actually have the ability to create light in the palms of his hands. :rolleyes: What does that have to do with anything? He still posted it.
 
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Throw in MTG, too. Several odious MAGAts have jumped ship. It's crumbling.

Sight unseen, I unequivocally denounce the dehumanizing of Israelis.
Duck citing comments from deranged antisemites such as Mtg and Owens as proof of MAGA jumping ship is weak. The same MTG who’s accused Jews of controlling the weather and the “Jewish laser” conspiracy. Good stuff.
Owens with her claims of Jews being responsible for JFK’s death, 9/11, and the most despicable medieval blood libels (drinking Christian blood during Passover). Not to mention regularly calling Jews the ‘Synagogue of Satan’. For duck to use their opinions of proof of some sort of MAGA insurrection is laughable.
These bigots were never going to approve of any support for Israel or any war involving Israel. They’ve built a podcast following spouting their hate.
That said, any war will have its opponents. Wars are dangerous, costly, and it’s impossible to predict all the ramifications. Some mainstream conservatives oppose the war for various reasons. Unless there’s a direct attack like Pearl Harbor, any war will have its detractors. That’s expected. This is how democracy works. The MAGA base is hardly crumbing.

 

DuckDevil

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Duck citing comments from deranged antisemites such as Mtg and Owens as proof of MAGA jumping ship is weak. The same MTG who’s accused Jews of controlling the weather and the “Jewish laser” conspiracy. Good stuff.
Owens with her claims of Jews being responsible for JFK’s death, 9/11, and the most despicable medieval blood libels (drinking Christian blood during Passover). Not to mention regularly calling Jews the ‘Synagogue of Satan’. For duck to use their opinions of proof of some sort of MAGA insurrection is laughable.
These bigots were never going to approve of any support for Israel or any war involving Israel. They’ve built a podcast following spouting their hate.
That said, any war will have its opponents. Wars are dangerous, costly, and it’s impossible to predict all the ramifications. Some mainstream conservatives oppose the war for various reasons. Unless there’s a direct attack like Pearl Harbor, any war will have its detractors. That’s expected. This is how democracy works. The MAGA base is hardly crumbing.

Marjorie Taylor Greene, Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson, and Alex Jones are literally the core of MAGA and always have been. They’re the earliest converts and most prominent boosters that Trump relied on to get elected twice. To pretend otherwise is insane. These are your teammates. Trump people through and through. That’s what MAGA is and has always been. You’re lying to yourself if you believe otherwise.

Regardless, MAGA is crumbling. Two of Trump’s biggest campaign promises were lowering prices and avoiding new foreign wars. You can’t do the opposite and expect people not to revolt. Trump’s tariff nonsense, mixed with his propensity for starting wars, has finally caught up with him economically. High gas prices, high interest rates, and high inflation will destroy any coalition, including MAGA. Want proof? Look at the results of any election that has been held within the last year. The midterms and 2028 are going to be catastrophic for the GOP.

Concerning your link, of course people who identify as “MAGA” still support the war and everything Trump does. It’s a cult. But I’ll bet there are a lot fewer people who identify as MAGA today than there were a year ago.
 
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Marjorie Taylor Greene, Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson, and Alex Jones are literally the core of MAGA and always have been. They’re the earliest converts and most prominent boosters that Trump relied on to get elected twice. To pretend otherwise is insane. These are your teammates. Trump people through and through. That’s what MAGA is and has always been. You’re lying to yourself if you believe otherwise.

Regardless, MAGA is crumbling. Two of Trump’s biggest campaign promises were lowering prices and avoiding new foreign wars. You can’t do the opposite and expect people not to revolt. Trump’s tariff nonsense, mixed with his propensity for starting wars, has finally caught up with him economically. High gas prices, high interest rates, and high inflation will destroy any coalition, including MAGA. Want proof? Look at the results of any election that has been held within the last year. The midterms and 2028 are going to be catastrophic for the GOP.

Concerning your link, of course people who identify as “MAGA” still support the war and everything Trump does. It’s a cult. But I’ll bet there are a lot fewer people who identify as MAGA today than there were a year ago.
At first you say your rogue’s gallery is the “core of MAGA and always have been” although they don’t support the war with Iran and are disappointed that he hasn’t brought inflation down and even made it worse since the war. So despite your claim that this dissent has led the Maga movement to crumble, at the end you dismiss my link out of hand by saying “ of course people who identify as MAGA still support the war”….”It’s a cult”. Contradict yourself much?
The list of antisemites at the top are described as presently “being the core of MAGA and always have been”. Their dissent re: the war and inflation proves somehow that MAGA is “crumbling”. Yet later you assert that identifying as MAGA means automatically supporting the war since it’s a cult? So are you saying that Mtg Owens and the like are really still MAGA. They just don’t know it??
 

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At first you say your rogue’s gallery is the “core of MAGA and always have been” although they don’t support the war with Iran and are disappointed that he hasn’t brought inflation down and even made it worse since the war. So despite your claim that this dissent has led the Maga movement to crumble, at the end you dismiss my link out of hand by saying “ of course people who identify as MAGA still support the war”….”It’s a cult”. Contradict yourself much?
The list of antisemites at the top are described as presently “being the core of MAGA and always have been”. Their dissent re: the war and inflation proves somehow that MAGA is “crumbling”. Yet later you assert that identifying as MAGA means automatically supporting the war since it’s a cult? So are you saying that Mtg Owens and the like are really still MAGA. They just don’t know it??
Nothing about my post is confusing or contradicting. You just have trouble with reading comprehension. You also don’t read the links you post. We’ve established that in the past. You cherry-pick headlines that support whatever argument you’re trying to make. Let me break this down in a way you can understand.

This “rogues gallery” you refer to, that’s your people, not mine. These are the voices that built Trump and MAGA into what it is today. Without their support and others like them, MAGA doesn’t happen. The fact that you’re willfully ignorant of that says a lot about you.

I never said that MAGA had “crumbled.” I said it was crumbling. And it is. Trump is a lame duck president whose party is about to get wiped out in the midterms. There is blood in the water, and he will only get weaker from here. This is why you’re seeing the MAGA detractors. They are positioning for what’s next. The 2028 election is already kicking off. Anyone associated with Trump or his administration is going to have a really bad time owning this crap show.

The article you shared to support your argument is from March 17, but both of the polls it cites are from March 2 and March 4, at the beginning of the war. After six weeks of paying higher gas prices, along with watching the rate of inflation triple in a month,I wonder how many of those people still support the war?

MAGA is a cult. Here’s an example: Trump forces all of his closest supporters to perform humiliation rituals in which they have to lie on his behalf, even when it makes them look stupid, because if they don’t, he’ll turn on them, just like your “rogues gallery.”



This is cult behavior:



This war is not popular, the economy is not great, and MAGA is going to be held accountable in November. The rats are jumping ship.

Do you really think this guy is going to turn it around?

 
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Nothing about my post is confusing or contradicting. You just have trouble with reading comprehension. You also don’t read the links you post. We’ve established that in the past. You cherry-pick headlines that support whatever argument you’re trying to make. Let me break this down in a way you can understand.

This “rogues gallery” you refer to, that’s your people, not mine. These are the voices that built Trump and MAGA into what it is today. Without their support and others like them, MAGA doesn’t happen. The fact that you’re willfully ignorant of that says a lot about you.

I never said that MAGA had “crumbled.” I said it was crumbling. And it is. Trump is a lame duck president whose party is about to get wiped out in the midterms. There is blood in the water, and he will only get weaker from here. This is why you’re seeing the MAGA detractors. They are positioning for what’s next. The 2028 election is already kicking off. Anyone associated with Trump or his administration is going to have a really bad time owning this crap show.

The article you shared to support your argument is from March 17, but both of the polls it cites are from March 2 and March 4, at the beginning of the war. After five weeks of paying higher gas prices, along with watching the rate of inflation triple in a month, I wonder how many of those people still support the war?

MAGA is a cult. Here’s an example: Trump forces all of his closest supporters to perform humiliation rituals in which they have to lie on his behalf, even when it makes them look stupid, because if they don’t, he’ll turn on them, just like your “rogues gallery.”



This war is not popular, the economy is not great, and MAGA is going to be held accountable.

I have wanted this evil IRGC regime toppled for 20-30 years, before they got a Nuclear bomb. And then killed millions of people including their own. Thats happening so I think that’s a good thing. War however, is not good, this one however was going to have to happen one way or another. People try and make it about party, but every preseident since forever has wanted this regime toppled. So it’s not about the party.
 

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I have wanted this evil IRGC regime toppled for 20-30 years, before they got a Nuclear bomb. And then killed millions of people including their own. Thats happening so I think that’s a good thing. War however, is not good, this one however was going to have to happen one way or another. People try and make it about party, but every preseident since forever has wanted this regime toppled. So it’s not about the party.
Can you explain how the regime is being toppled exactly?
 
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Nothing about my post is confusing or contradicting. You just have trouble with reading comprehension. You also don’t read the links you post. We’ve established that in the past. You cherry-pick headlines that support whatever argument you’re trying to make. Let me break this down in a way you can understand.

This “rogues gallery” you refer to, that’s your people, not mine. These are the voices that built Trump and MAGA into what it is today. Without their support and others like them, MAGA doesn’t happen. The fact that you’re willfully ignorant of that says a lot about you.

I never said that MAGA had “crumbled.” I said it was crumbling. And it is. Trump is a lame duck president whose party is about to get wiped out in the midterms. There is blood in the water, and he will only get weaker from here. This is why you’re seeing the MAGA detractors. They are positioning for what’s next. The 2028 election is already kicking off. Anyone associated with Trump or his administration is going to have a really bad time owning this crap show.

The article you shared to support your argument is from March 17, but both of the polls it cites are from March 2 and March 4, at the beginning of the war. After six weeks of paying higher gas prices, along with watching the rate of inflation triple in a month,I wonder how many of those people still support the war?

MAGA is a cult. Here’s an example: Trump forces all of his closest supporters to perform humiliation rituals in which they have to lie on his behalf, even when it makes them look stupid, because if they don’t, he’ll turn on them, just like your “rogues gallery.”



This is cult behavior:



This war is not popular, the economy is not great, and MAGA is going to be held accountable in November. The rats are jumping ship.

Do you really think this guy is going to turn it around?


“Nothing about my post is confusing or contradicting”. I’ve already pointed out the contradiction. You responded that I “have trouble with reading comprehension”. When cornered, you revert back to cheap, school playground taunts.
“ You cherry-pick headlines that support whatever point you’re trying to make”. Accusation in a mirror.
This “cherry picked” headline shows that while the war is unpopular with most demographics which I have never disputed, Trump’s MAGA support has barely declined from March 17 to April 4. 80% to 77%. Hardly “crumbling” support.
Yes, the Tucker Carlsons and Candace Owens types were once powerful voices within MAGA. If being in MAGA demands total allegiance to Trump, then it’s safe to assume that these people are no longer considered to be part of MAGA. It’s illogical to claim that MAGA requires total allegiance and then in the same post assert that Owens, et al are still part of MAGA . This is the inherent contradiction in your post.

 

AcnYoda

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Can you explain how the regime is being toppled exactly?
I’m not an expert on this topic, but from what’s being reported, they had 10,000+ bombs dropped on their strategic targets, their oil revenue which accounts for 90% of their economy is stopped right now, their economy is falling apart, they can’t afford to pay their evil military, etc. That to me if true is being toppled.

if someone doesn’t think their regime is evil or if someone wants their regime to stay in power that’s a different topic, but if we agree that evil regime should fall, I’m not aware of many other ways to cause it to topple without boots on the ground other than what I listed here above. I think it’s possible or even likely that IRGC regime will fall apart or be defeated over the coming months. Which is a good thing for the world and especially the Iranian people.
 
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BOOGIEMAN1914

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I have wanted this evil IRGC regime toppled for 20-30 years, before they got a Nuclear bomb. And then killed millions of people including their own. Thats happening so I think that’s a good thing. War however, is not good, this one however was going to have to happen one way or another. People try and make it about party, but every preseident since forever has wanted this regime toppled. So it’s not about the party.
I agree, every president has wanted to do this, but relented from what I've read because of the advice and ramifications that it would do to region


Previous US administrations have avoided invading Iran due to the immense strategic, financial, and human costs, the likelihood of a prolonged, unstable insurgency, and the severe risk of regional destabilization. Iran’s mountainous terrain, significant military capability, and regional proxy networks pose daunting challenges compared to previous interventions in Iraq or Afghanistan.
  • Risk of Regional War: An invasion could trigger a wide Middle East conflict, threatening allies, disrupting 20% of global oil exports via the Strait of Hormuz, and triggering attacks on US bases.
  • Failed Military Experience: Memories of difficult, long-term engagements in Iraq and Afghanistan caused hesitation, as military analysts doubted a quick victory was possible.
  • Lack of Ally Support: Regional partners, including Gulf nations (Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain), were reluctant to support a war that could invite Iranian retaliation on their soil.
  • Geographical and Military Challenges: Iran’s size, population, and topography, combined with its specialized defenses, make a successful ground invasion extremely difficult and costly.
  • Lack of Domestic Support: The American public has shown little appetite for another large-scale conflict.
  • Strategic Alternatives: Presidents preferred containment, economic sanctions, and diplomatic negotiations (like the JCPOA) to manage Iran's influence and nuclear ambitions, rather than direct invasion.
Historically, while Iran was considered a state sponsor of terrorism, these risks outweighed the perceived benefits of a full-scale invasion
 

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I’m not an expert on this topic, but from what’s being reported, they had 10,000+ bombs dropped on their strategic targets, their oil revenue which accounts for 90% of their economy is stopped right now, their economy is falling apart, they can’t afford to pay their evil military, etc. That to me if true is being toppled.

if someone doesn’t think their regime is evil or if someone wants their regime to stay in power that’s a different topic, but if we agree that evil regime should fall, I’m not aware of many other ways to cause it to topple without boots on the ground other than what I listed here above. I think it’s possible or even likely that IRGC regime will fall apart or be defeated over the coming months. Which is a good thing for the world and especially the Iranian people.
The blockade should get them to the table and willing to make a deal. The US has unprecedented leverage economically to choke the life out of their economy. Hopefully we’ll get a nuclear deal soon that, unlike the JCPOA, , doesn’t include sunset provisions. Anytime anywhere inspections is also a must as is the turn over of theiir stockpile of enriched uranium.
 
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AcnYoda

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I agree, every president has wanted to do this, but relented from what I've read because of the advice and ramifications that it would do to region


Previous US administrations have avoided invading Iran due to the immense strategic, financial, and human costs, the likelihood of a prolonged, unstable insurgency, and the severe risk of regional destabilization. Iran’s mountainous terrain, significant military capability, and regional proxy networks pose daunting challenges compared to previous interventions in Iraq or Afghanistan.
  • Risk of Regional War: An invasion could trigger a wide Middle East conflict, threatening allies, disrupting 20% of global oil exports via the Strait of Hormuz, and triggering attacks on US bases.
  • Failed Military Experience: Memories of difficult, long-term engagements in Iraq and Afghanistan caused hesitation, as military analysts doubted a quick victory was possible.
  • Lack of Ally Support: Regional partners, including Gulf nations (Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain), were reluctant to support a war that could invite Iranian retaliation on their soil.
  • Geographical and Military Challenges: Iran’s size, population, and topography, combined with its specialized defenses, make a successful ground invasion extremely difficult and costly.
  • Lack of Domestic Support: The American public has shown little appetite for another large-scale conflict.
  • Strategic Alternatives: Presidents preferred containment, economic sanctions, and diplomatic negotiations (like the JCPOA) to manage Iran's influence and nuclear ambitions, rather than direct invasion.
Historically, while Iran was considered a state sponsor of terrorism, these risks outweighed the perceived benefits of a full-scale invasion
This is really good info, and looks all true. But nonetheless every president for 40+ years said this regime needed to be removed, or at least neutered. I don’t care if it’s a dem or red president that does this, I think it’s important to remove bad actors like this before they get a nuclear bomb and 100% use it on their neighbors, who would then have no choice but to destroy Iran too, and that’s $92m innocent Iranians killed. Nobody wants this outcome, so this had to happen sooner or later, and Trump is the only president who seems to have to courage or arrogance or whatever he has to remove or neuter this regime. And it’s about time.

just because policy wise I want this regime removed, doesn’t make it political for me. I pretty much distrust all politicians, I think they all are under the control of whichever donors are supporting them, blue and Red. But when either side does something good I’ll support it. And if a guy like Swalwell appears to allegedly have raped several women, while he’s married, with kids, I don’t support this if true. Again, not because of party, but because it’s WRONG. I want our country to be as strong and moral a country as we can possibly be. That’s my .02c.