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You forgot Obama, men dressing up as women to watch little girls pee, and Spanish at the Super Bowl. They're gonna recall you to the sheep factory.
That’s all you got, haha. Did you see where the majority of the Dems are fine with illegals committing fraud with the welfare system? Also, enjoy waiting in long lines at the airport because Dems want to get rid of ICE. Go back and watch the video of President Clinton talking about cracking down on illegal immigrants. Your party has gone nuts!
 

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That’s all you got, haha. Did you see where the majority of the Dems are fine with illegals committing fraud with the welfare system? Also, enjoy waiting in long lines at the airport because Dems want to get rid of ICE. Go back and watch the video of President Clinton talking about cracking down on illegal immigrants. Your party has gone nuts!
I stated more of your talking points, so that's basically all you've got. And you continue it here. Anything to avoid talking about the Epstein Files or murdering Iranian schoolchildren. Tell me more about how high the Dow is.
 

dukesince91

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Epstein files and Iranian children, shows that you have nothing. The Dow always goes up during conflicts. Crickets during the Biden administration.
 

Ghost of Dattier

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Murder? To what are you referring exactly?
Bombing Iranian schools. There are also alleged murders involving Epstein and company.

What, are you going to nitpick the definition of murder here? After being absent since our immoral, unjust war with Iran began? You're going to pretend this is a word choice issue as opposed to a morality issue?
 

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Bombing Iranian schools. There are also alleged murders involving Epstein and company.

What, are you going to nitpick the definition of murder here? After being absent since our immoral, unjust war with Iran began? You're going to pretend this is a word choice issue as opposed to a morality issue?
If you’re going to recklessly accuse the US military of intentionally killing school children, I’d hope you’d bring evidence. Of course you don’t have any.
Thanks for noticing, but I haven’t exactly been “absent”. There hasn’t been anything posted worth responding to, but when you libel the US military enough’s enough. If you push back against this pathetic murder narrative, it’s not nitpicking. It’s the recognition that words and accusations have consequences.
As for an “immoral unjust” war, Iran obtaining a nuclear weapon has always been a red line for every admin since Carter. When Iran refused to cooperate with the IEAE, it was time to go in.

 

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If you’re going to recklessly accuse the US military of intentionally killing school children, I’d hope you’d bring evidence. Of course you don’t have any.
Thanks for noticing, but I haven’t exactly been “absent”. There hasn’t been anything posted worth responding to, but when you libel the US military enough’s enough. If you push back against this pathetic murder narrative, it’s not nitpicking. It’s the recognition that words and accusations have consequences.
As for an “immoral unjust” war, Iran obtaining a nuclear weapon has always been a red line for every admin since Carter. When Iran refused to cooperate with the IEAE, it was time to go in.

lol Defending the well-defended? What a hero you are!
I would call it criminally negligent rather than intentional, though I won't go so far as to accept that it wasn't intentional. Our President's administration is immoral, corrupt, incompetent, and has no plan.
But thanks for weighing in on the definition of murder rather than the deaths of 175+ people, mainly girls, by the administration of a President you support no matter what.
 

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Every administration since President Carter has been concerned about Iran having nukes? So... 11:59am on January 20, 1981 at the latest? 45 years, but now it was imminent? PM Netanyahu has been beating that drum for at least 25 years; he finally found a US President stupid enough and desperate enough for a distraction from allegations that he raped children.
 
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Every administration since President Carter has been concerned about Iran having nukes? So... 11:59am on January 20, 1981 at the latest? 45 years, but now it was imminent? PM Netanyahu has been beating that drum for at least 25 years; he finally found a US President stupid enough and desperate enough for a distraction from allegations that he raped children.
He couldn’t respond earlier because the right-wing propaganda channels couldn’t coalesce around talking points, since the administration launched this war without clear objectives.

@KDSTONE will always toe the party line. No amount of facts or reality will get in the way of that. Like the other posters here, he’s a clown.

Trump effectively ended his own presidency when he launched the war in Iran. Rising gas prices, rising inflation, lack of job creation, and rising interest rates are setting up a historic wipeout of the GOP in November. Looking through American history, it’s hard to find an example of a President who has torpedoed himself so effectively in such a short amount of time. The majority of Americans don’t support this war, and as Trump escalates it, the opposition only grows stronger.

Trump’s talk of peace negotiations this week shows how disconnected he is from reality and what happens when you surround yourself only with yes-men. No country in its right mind would enter serious negotiations with an administration that launched attacks in the middle of the last two rounds of talks. This one, like the last ones, looks like another attempt to stall for time until ground troops are in place.

Trump lies constantly, and nothing that comes out of his mouth can be trusted. Watch the military hardware and troop movements instead. He doesn’t move assets into position without using them. Troops will be on the ground soon in an attempt to clean up the situation he created, and the cycle of escalation will continue. The only real question is how many service members get put in harm’s way. The only thing Trump has accomplished is sending the message to every non-nuclear country in the world that the only thing preventing invasion and resource seizure is having a nuclear weapon, just look at North Korea. He’s effectively incentivized countries across the globe to pursue nuclear capability as quickly as possible.

Trump is looking for an exit and something he can claim as a win, but that’s out of his control now. Iran only has to accomplish one objective, which is not to lose. Each $20,000 drone they launch costs us millions to intercept. Each day they keep Hormuz closed pushes prices at the pump higher. They know that pressure adds up, especially with interceptor stockpiles already running low and midterms on the horizon. By continuing to launch missiles and drones, they keep tightening the economic strain on the US, which was always part of the plan if the US struck.

The best thing we could do is to remove ourselves from the situation entirely. And then there’s still time to invade Cuba before the midterms.
 
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Every administration since President Carter has been concerned about Iran having nukes? So... 11:59am on January 20, 1981 at the latest? 45 years, but now it was imminent? PM Netanyahu has been beating that drum for at least 25 years; he finally found a US President stupid enough and desperate enough for a distraction from allegations that he raped children.
Not surprisingly you ignored the IEAE’s own warnings in my link as it’s far lazier and much more fun no doubt to just bash Trump. Did you even bother to read the link or is it too triggering as it clearly justifies our attacks on Iran? Question: do you dispute that once a nation reaches 60% enrichment it’s only a few weeks until 90%? It generally takes years to get to 60%. Once this threshold is reached it generally takes just weeks to get to 90% and then a bomb has to be attached to the uranium.
What part of this does not seem “ imminent” to you?
Claiming we went to war to remove this threat as a distraction is not serious analysis. It’s conspiracy theory.
 

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What part of this does not seem “ imminent” to you?
The part where we've been hearing the same alarm for 45 years. The part where not knowing doesn't mean the same thing as confirming the worst.
You & @Mac9192 were big fans of conspiracy theories a couple years ago. All of a sudden you trust big government. You're hypocrites and clowns. Every promise our President made that you loved and he subsequently broke has resulted in a complete shift in what you believe in order to defend him. You're a joke. You conceded any moral authority a long time ago.
 
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The part where we've been hearing the same alarm for 45 years. The part where not knowing doesn't mean the same thing as confirming the worst.
You & @Mac9192 were big fans of conspiracy theories a couple years ago. All of a sudden you trust big government. You're hypocrites and clowns. Every promise our President made that you loved and he subsequently broke has resulted in a complete shift in what you believe in order to defend him. You're a joke. You conceded any moral authority a long time
More name calling. Great 👍. You don’t take Pres Trump’s word regarding the threat? Cool.
Understandable.
That doesn’t explain why you won’t address the IAEA’s warnings nor does it address the threat Iran poses.
If there’s something the IAEA is guilty of “not knowing” it’s because Iran refuses to comply with inspections. Obama and Biden threw cash at the problem hoping they could buy Iran’s regime into playing nice. They responded by funding proxy wars, attacking our troops repeatedly, and attempting to assassinate the Pres of the United States. Facts conveniently ignored as it doesn’t fit your agenda of 24/7 Trump bashing. But by all means, continue the narrative of how this is an “immoral, unjust” war.
 
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More name calling. Great 👍. You don’t take Pres Trump’s word regarding the threat? Cool.
Understandable.
That doesn’t explain why you won’t address the IAEA’s warnings nor does it address the threat Iran poses.
If there’s something the IAEA is guilty of “not knowing” it’s because Iran refuses to comply with inspections. Obama and Biden threw cash at the problem hoping they could buy Iran’s regime into playing nice. They responded by funding proxy wars, attacking our troops repeatedly, and attempting to assassinate the Pres of the United States. Facts conveniently ignored as it doesn’t fit your agenda of 24/7 Trump bashing. But by all means, continue the narrative of how this is an “immoral, unjust” war.
I brought receipts for why you're hypocrites and clowns.
I take the IAEA's warning along with 45 years of warnings.
Still nothing to say about the incompetent, negligent murders of 175 people, primarily young girls?
 

KDSTONE

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I brought receipts for why you're hypocrites and clowns.
I take the IAEA's warning along with 45 years of warnings.
Still nothing to say about the incompetent, negligent murders of 175 people, primarily young girls?
It’s horrific. How else can you describe it? By continuing to misapply the word murder to describe the incident, however, it’s clear that you’re trying to entice me down some linguistic rabbit hole in hopes that I’ll fail to condemn the attack. I just condemned it. I underestimated the extent of your desperation to virtue signal. Won’t happen again.
The loss of civilian life is always tragic. It appears that our military relied on outdated intelligence to when the school was used as an IRGC base and investigations are ongoing. The UN has opened an investigation although you don’t seem to take them seriously anymore so there’s that.
You brought no receipts about the IAEA’s report. Only diversion, grandstanding, and more name calling. Your stocks in trade.
Calling us hypocrites and clowns a second and third time isn’t “bringing receipts”. It’s pretending you’ve won an argument with yourself.
 

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Criminal negligence resulting in death is murder, and in this case, a war crime.
You've gone from conspiracy theorist to fan of big govt.
You praised our President for not getting us into wars... then rationalize it when he starts one without anyone but Israel.
You'll wag your jowls about the despicable murder of Laken Riley and leverage it into justification to go into Minneapolis and murder citizens in search of any undocumented immigrant to fill a deportation quota, but it takes 2 or 3 prompts before you condemn the callous, negligent, incompetent war crime of murdering brown schoolchildren.
^That's hypocritical, clownish, immoral, and racist. Does it hurt your fee-fees less for me to use adjectives describing your action/inaction rather than nouns labeling you?
As I already said, the IAEA doesn't know what Iran has, which is not the same as knowing that having a nuclear weapon is imminent. As I already said, saying something is imminent for 45 years does not earn trust now except from those who are scared of brown schoolchildren.
 

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Criminal negligence resulting in death is murder, and in this case, a war crime.
You've gone from conspiracy theorist to fan of big govt.
You praised our President for not getting us into wars... then rationalize it when he starts one without anyone but Israel.
You'll wag your jowls about the despicable murder of Laken Riley and leverage it into justification to go into Minneapolis and murder citizens in search of any undocumented immigrant to fill a deportation quota, but it takes 2 or 3 prompts before you condemn the callous, negligent, incompetent war crime of murdering brown schoolchildren.
^That's hypocritical, clownish, immoral, and racist. Does it hurt your fee-fees less for me to use adjectives describing your action/inaction rather than nouns labeling you?
As I already said, the IAEA doesn't know what Iran has, which is not the same as knowing that having a nuclear weapon is imminent. As I already said, saying something is imminent for 45 years does not earn trust now except from those who are scared of
Criminal negligence resulting in death is typically labeled negligent homicide not murder. Murder requires intent. Words matter if you’re accusing the US military of war crimes.

As for your desperate habit of recklessly throwing around baseless charges of racism, it’s clear you don’t know any Iranians. As you may or not know, most are Persian not Arab. They don’t fit neatly into your white/ brown racial hierarchy. In fact, many Iranians identify as white, so let’s just say it’s complicated. Before you get it twisted, it makes no difference to me whether they’re Persian, Arab, or Eskimo. But your argument that the US military is racist hinged on their identity so it was necessary to address.


It’s not in dispute that Iran has a stockpile of 60% enriched uranium. How much and where are the variables.
 
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Criminal negligence resulting in death is typically labeled negligent homicide not murder. Murder requires intent. Words matter if you’re accusing the US military of war crimes.

As for your desperate habit of recklessly throwing around baseless charges of racism, it’s clear you don’t know any Iranians. As you may or not know, most are Persian not Arab. They don’t fit neatly into your white/ brown racial hierarchy. In fact, many Iranians identify as white, so let’s just say it’s complicated. Before you get it twisted, it makes no difference to me whether they’re Persian, Arab, or Eskimo. But your argument that the US military is racist hinged on their identity so it was necessary to address.


It’s not in dispute that Iran has a stockpile of 60% enriched uranium. How much and where are the variables.
I'm sure the military appreciates you standing up for them against a single person on the Internet.
You're again preferring to make this about legalese, not morality.

I didn't accuse the military of racism. The Presidential administration you support is, though, and you're an apologist for them.
 

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Not surprisingly you ignored the IEAE’s own warnings in my link as it’s far lazier and much more fun no doubt to just bash Trump. Did you even bother to read the link or is it too triggering as it clearly justifies our attacks on Iran? Question: do you dispute that once a nation reaches 60% enrichment it’s only a few weeks until 90%? It generally takes years to get to 60%. Once this threshold is reached it generally takes just weeks to get to 90% and then a bomb has to be attached to the uranium.
What part of this does not seem “ imminent” to you?
Claiming we went to war to remove this threat as a distraction is not serious analysis. It’s conspiracy theory.
i thought, according to the president that the bombings some months back "totally obliterated " their program
 

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I'm sure the military appreciates you standing up for them against a single person on the Internet.
You're again preferring to make this about legalese, not morality.

I didn't accuse the military of racism. The Presidential administration you support is, though, and you're an apologist for them.
“Didn’t accuse the military of racism”. So why did you mention that they were “brown” schoolchildren that were “murdered” ? Not only were they not murdered, they’re not even brown or most arent. That’s not clear. To fit a predetermined conclusion you were willing play fast and loose with the premises. If you think their faith of necessity not of choice played a role in this alleged callousness, you should have stated that. As it is, the swings and misses are piling up. I thought any sane, rational person would conclude that the deaths of schoolchildren were tragic. Why would I or any other poster be expected to make a special point to post about that?

I don’t recall you posting condemnations about the regrettable deaths of servicemen during the botched Afghanistan withdrawal or the tens of thousands of undocumented children whose current whereabouts are unknown due to the incompetent, reckless open border policies of the previous admin? Didn’t you vote for Biden and by your own logic are therefore accountable for unnecessary deaths that occurred on his watch?

Is your silence complicity, or is that a standard you apply to others but not yourself? A “For thee but not for me” French Laundry kind of Dem. Cool.
 
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i thought, according to the president that the bombings some months back "totally obliterated " their program
Good point and one that should have been brought up before now.
Trump is a world class braggart and likely exaggerated or even flat out lied about the extent of the damage caused by Midnight Hammer. This is the most likely culprit behind his regrettable comments.
Another possibility is he got bad intel after Midnight Hammer or that the intel in ten months has changed. All three things could be true. I know satellite tech has picked up a lot of coming and going from various sites so it’s obvious to the IAEA that they’ve resumed activity to complete enrichment.
If any one thinks that Europe and our bases in the Mid East aren’t in danger of annihilation if Iran has a nuke I have ocean front property in Tennessee to sell you.
 

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Good point and one that should have been brought up before now.
Trump is a world class braggart and likely exaggerated or even flat out lied about the extent of the damage caused by Midnight Hammer. This is the most likely culprit behind his regrettable comments.
Another possibility is he got bad intel after Midnight Hammer or that the intel in ten months has changed. All three things could be true. I know satellite tech has picked up a lot of coming and going from various sites so it’s obvious to the IAEA that they’ve resumed activity to complete enrichment.
If any one thinks that Europe and our bases in the Mid East aren’t in danger of annihilation if Iran has a nuke I have ocean front property in Tennessee to sell you.
and that's the problem KD....he lies about just about EVERYTHING...
 

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and that's the problem KD....he lies about just about
That’s why I tune a lot of what he says out and base my risk assessment on the reporting of the IAEA and current and former intelligence officials.
The UN is not exactly a hotbed of pro Trump, pro Israel sentiment so if they assess the nuclear situation in Iran as “imminent”, it would behoove the world to take note.
 

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Good point and one that should have been brought up before now.
Trump is a world class braggart and likely exaggerated or even flat out lied about the extent of the damage caused by Midnight Hammer. This is the most likely culprit behind his regrettable comments.
Another possibility is he got bad intel after Midnight Hammer or that the intel in ten months has changed. All three things could be true. I know satellite tech has picked up a lot of coming and going from various sites so it’s obvious to the IAEA that they’ve resumed activity to complete enrichment.
If any one thinks that Europe and our bases in the Mid East aren’t in danger of annihilation if Iran has a nuke I have ocean front property in Tennessee to sell you.

That’s why I tune a lot of what he says out and base my risk assessment on the reporting of the IAEA and current and former intelligence officials.
The UN is not exactly a hotbed of pro Trump, pro Israel sentiment so if they assess the nuclear situation in Iran as “imminent”, it would behoove the world to take note.
Not surprising that you’re once again misrepresenting facts. The IAEA hasn’t said Iran’s program is “imminent,” you’re taking partial information like enrichment levels and limited inspections and turning it into a conclusion that doesn’t exist. And considering we supposedly blew up their nuclear facilities and are actively bombing the country, it shouldn’t be surprising that inspection access and visibility are worse right now. That’s exactly what happens when you tear up the JCPOA and remove the framework that allowed for more extensive monitoring. What the IAEA has actually said is straightforward: Iran has enriched uranium to high levels around 60 percent, monitoring and visibility are limited so they can’t fully verify all activity, and the IAEA says it has no evidence Iran is currently building a nuclear weapon.

You’re wrong that the IAEA sees resumed enrichment or anything “obvious” from satellite activity, wrong to treat limited monitoring as proof of a weapons push, wrong to imply Iran is nearing a bomb when the IAEA says it has no evidence of that, and wrong to jump from uncertainty to claims of imminent annihilation. I can’t tell if you’re getting bad information from propaganda networks or if you’re choosing to push this BS on your own.

What this war actually does is increase the likelihood that non-nuclear countries start viewing nuclear weapons as a stronger deterrent against invasion and coercion. That leads to more proliferation, not less. The exact opposite of what you claim to care about. Diplomacy was always the best option with Iran, for reasons that are crystal clear now, but that door is now closed thanks to Trump and Netanyahu.
 
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Yes, please cut healthcare to pay for the war in Iran. That’s a fantastic idea.



Hope you’re still saving that tax return money @dukesince91.
 
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Not surprising that you’re once again misrepresenting facts. The IAEA hasn’t said Iran’s program is “imminent,” you’re taking partial information like enrichment levels and limited inspections and turning it into a conclusion that doesn’t exist. And considering we supposedly blew up their nuclear facilities and are actively bombing the country, it shouldn’t be surprising that inspection access and visibility are worse right now. That’s exactly what happens when you tear up the JCPOA and remove the framework that allowed for more extensive monitoring. What the IAEA has actually said is straightforward: Iran has enriched uranium to high levels around 60 percent, monitoring and visibility are limited so they can’t fully verify all activity, and the IAEA says it has no evidence Iran is currently building a nuclear weapon.

You’re wrong that the IAEA sees resumed enrichment or anything “obvious” from satellite activity, wrong to treat limited monitoring as proof of a weapons push, wrong to imply Iran is nearing a bomb when the IAEA says it has no evidence of that, and wrong to jump from uncertainty to claims of imminent annihilation. I can’t tell if you’re getting bad information from propaganda networks or if you’re choosing to push this BS on your own.

What this war actually does is increase the likelihood that non-nuclear countries start viewing nuclear weapons as a stronger deterrent against invasion and coercion. That leads to more proliferation, not less. The exact opposite of what you claim to care about. Diplomacy was always the best option with Iran, for reasons that are crystal clear now, but that door is now closed thanks to Trump and Netanyahu.
There’s no known civilian application for 60% enrichment. A nuclear power plant for civilian use requires 3-5% enrichment. There’s no other logical explanation as to why a nation would take the time and spend the money if they weren’t planning to build a nuke. It’s a small technical step from 60% enrichment to 90% so whether the IAEA has used the magic word of “imminent” is irrelevant. It’s not the IAEA’s role to determine when military intervention is warranted. Common sense and even the most rudimentary knowledge of how a nuclear device is made makes it clear that it was a matter of weeks. There’s no other reason Iran would enrich uranium to 60%. This itself is the smoking gun.

So your logic about potential proliferation is as follows: Iran (A) doesnt have a nuclear weapon. It’s been attacked. North Korea (B) has a nuclear weapon and it hasn’t been attacked. Therefore, if country C doesn’t want to be invaded it should get a nuke. Okay. If Iran gets a nuke, Saudi Arabia will likely develop one. They’ve said this repeatedly. Lord knows they have the cash. Qatar, UAE, who knows who else. Iran and North Korea have less commonalities than differences. Iran has threatened to use a nuclear weapon against the US and key allies in the region ( mainly Israel and SA), it has funded destabilizing proxy wars, it chants Death to America, it’s attempted to assassinate the Pres. Through its proxies, it’s attacked US troops well over 100 times.
“Diplomacy was always the best option”.
It’s been tried and failed.
 

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There’s no known civilian application for 60% enrichment. A nuclear power plant for civilian use requires 3-5% enrichment. There’s no other logical explanation as to why a nation would take the time and spend the money if they weren’t planning to build a nuke. It’s a small technical step from 60% enrichment to 90% so whether the IAEA has used the magic word of “imminent” is irrelevant. It’s not the IAEA’s role to determine when military intervention is warranted. Common sense and even the most rudimentary knowledge of how a nuclear device is made makes it clear that it was a matter of weeks. There’s no other reason Iran would enrich uranium to 60%. This itself is the smoking gun.

So your logic about potential proliferation is as follows: Iran (A) doesnt have a nuclear weapon. It’s been attacked. North Korea (B) has a nuclear weapon and it hasn’t been attacked. Therefore, if country C doesn’t want to be invaded it should get a nuke. Okay. If Iran gets a nuke, Saudi Arabia will likely develop one. They’ve said this repeatedly. Lord knows they have the cash. Qatar, UAE, who knows who else. Iran and North Korea have less commonalities than differences. Iran has threatened to use a nuclear weapon against the US and key allies in the region ( mainly Israel and SA), it has funded destabilizing proxy wars, it chants Death to America, it’s attempted to assassinate the Pres. Through its proxies, it’s attacked US troops well over 100 times.
“Diplomacy was always the best option”.
It’s been tried and failed.
You’re moving the goalposts. You said the IAEA called Iran’s program “imminent” to justify this war, and that was a lie. You then repeated variations of this lie in subsequent post to try and make your point. Now you’re pivoting to “common sense” and worst-case assumptions to fill that gap. Enriching to 60% raises concern, but concern is not proof of a weapons program. The IAEA has been clear it does not have evidence Iran is currently building a nuclear weapon. You don’t get to cite the IAEA and then ignore what it actually says because it doesn’t support your conclusion. Both the IAEA and the UN have consistently pushed for diplomacy and negotiations, which is the exact opposite of the path Trump and Netanyahu chose. Under the JCPOA, Iran was capped at 3.67% enrichment with enhanced inspections, and they never would have been at 60% if Trump hadn’t stupidly pulled out of the deal Obama put in place.

Step back and look at the signal this war sends. The worst-case scenario is now playing out in real time. Not having a nuclear bomb allowed Iran to be attacked, get the crap bombed out of it, and have its leadership, including Khamenei, some family members, and senior officials, assassinated. Khamenei was the one who prohibited the development of a nuclear weapon. Why would the new leadership take the same path going forward? From a self-preservation standpoint, that would be incredibly stupid and suicidal. This is well established in deterrence and security theory. When states feel vulnerable, they seek stronger means of deterrence. The only form of deterrence that works today is having nuclear weapons.

If you’re a non-nuclear country watching this, what lesson are you taking? North Korea has repeatedly threatened the US and its allies with nuclear attacks and hasn’t been attacked. Why? Trump even went to North Korea, met with Kim Jong Un, and bragged about their “love letters.” This is because they have nuclear weapons. You’ve already gone to war with Iran. Why wouldn’t Iran be pursuing a nuclear weapon now, along with other non-nuclear countries watching this play out?

It’s entirely possible that 60% enrichment was meant to act as a deterrent short of building an actual weapon, and if that was the strategy, this war just proved it doesn’t work. Being able to build a bomb is not enough, you have to actually have one. There were options to prevent Iran from getting a bomb before this started, and those were abandoned by Trump when he pulled out of the JCPOA. Now the incentive structure has changed. This doesn’t stop proliferation, it accelerates it, and the world is less safe as a result.
 
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No need to watch. This is what he’ll say:
  • This is Biden’s doing
  • This all started under Obama
  • DEMOCRATS
  • We’re doing incredible work on the ballroom, unbelievable craftsmanship
  • Give it 48 hours
  • Maybe two to three weeks
  • We’re already ahead of where we expected
  • Gas prices are great, really low
  • The ballroom is ahead of schedule too, people are amazed
  • We’ve already won this
  • Total destruction, nothing left
  • Their naval power is basically gone
  • You should see the detail going into the ballroom, nobody builds like that anymore
  • It’s really just a limited action
  • Nobody has ever seen anything like this before
  • One of the greatest foreign policy moves ever
  • The ballroom ceilings are going to be something special
  • NATO isn’t pulling its weight
  • Our allies don’t do anything for us
  • We need our allies more than ever
  • Some of those leaders have seen the ballroom plans, they can’t believe it
  • They should handle their own oil
  • I could shut down the Strait of Hormuz if I wanted
  • They practically handed us the victory
  • We’re using the best materials on the ballroom, top of the line
  • Something vague about nuclear weapons
  • I know more than the generals do
  • Affordability is a made up issue, people are doing fine
  • I was talking to the contractors about the ballroom, they said it’s never been done like this
  • Fake news won’t cover it fairly
  • More rambling
  • They won’t report on the ballroom, but people know
 
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No need to watch. This is what he’ll say:
  • This is Biden’s doing
  • This all started under Obama
  • DEMOCRATS
  • We’re doing incredible work on the ballroom, unbelievable craftsmanship
  • Give it 48 hours
  • Maybe two to three weeks
  • We’re already ahead of where we expected
  • Gas prices are great, really low
  • The ballroom is ahead of schedule too, people are amazed
  • We’ve already won this
  • Total destruction, nothing left
  • Their naval power is basically gone
  • You should see the detail going into the ballroom, nobody builds like that anymore
  • It’s really just a limited action
  • Nobody has ever seen anything like this before
  • One of the greatest foreign policy moves ever
  • The ballroom ceilings are going to be something special
  • NATO isn’t pulling its weight
  • Our allies don’t do anything for us
  • We need our allies more than ever
  • Some of those leaders have seen the ballroom plans, they can’t believe it
  • They should handle their own oil
  • I could shut down the Strait of Hormuz if I wanted
  • They practically handed us the victory
  • We’re using the best materials on the ballroom, top of the line
  • Something vague about nuclear weapons
  • I know more than the generals do
  • Affordability is a made up issue, people are doing fine
  • I was talking to the contractors about the ballroom, they said it’s never been done like this
  • Fake news won’t cover it fairly
  • More rambling
  • They won’t report on the ballroom, but people know

I didn't watch. How'd you do?
 

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“Didn’t accuse the military of racism”. So why did you mention that they were “brown” schoolchildren that were “murdered” ? Not only were they not murdered, they’re not even brown or most arent. That’s not clear. To fit a predetermined conclusion you were willing play fast and loose with the premises. If you think their faith of necessity not of choice played a role in this alleged callousness, you should have stated that. As it is, the swings and misses are piling up. I thought any sane, rational person would conclude that the deaths of schoolchildren were tragic. Why would I or any other poster be expected to make a special point to post about that?

I don’t recall you posting condemnations about the regrettable deaths of servicemen during the botched Afghanistan withdrawal or the tens of thousands of undocumented children whose current whereabouts are unknown due to the incompetent, reckless open border policies of the previous admin? Didn’t you vote for Biden and by your own logic are therefore accountable for unnecessary deaths that occurred on his watch?

Is your silence complicity, or is that a standard you apply to others but not yourself? A “For thee but not for me” French Laundry kind of Dem. Cool.
When asked, answer. You've been asked directly about the murders of brown schoolchildren and have chosen to debate "murder" and "brown" instead of expressing regret. You lean into technicalities and legal loopholes instead of morality.

I've been very clear I voted for President Biden as the least of 2 evils, not as a fan, and I have never expressed any excitement about him or VP Harris as Presidential candidates. No one has ever asked me about the deaths of servicemembers -- yes, regrettable -- nor the alleged missing children -- a distortion to manipulate rubes who just want them in cages.

Are you still on the President Trump bandwagon, KD? Or are you looking for an exit strategy?
 

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If you’re going to accuse someone of racism, whether or not the children are even considered “brown” or not is kind of crucial to the whole shebang, no?

When have I ever expressed “excitement” about Pres Trump? I’ve only felt good about him as a candidate and now commander in chief as it relates to the current state of the Dem Party. I’d feel much better with Rubio or Desantis in the Oval Office. Re: Iran, it’s gone very well from the military’s side Trump’s messaging about objective has been incoherent at times, but some parts of strategy and timing are better left ambiguous and even opaque. Keep all options on the table; dont telegraph to the enemy what you will or will not do.
I voted for Desantis in the Primaries, and have expressed reservations about many of Trump’s policies, especially tariffs and health care. You continue to ignore all of that as it complicates your tired, detached from reality “all conservatives on this board” are Trump lapdogs incapable of independent thought narrative on this board. Now that Biden’s dismal term is over, you distance yourself but when he was actually in office I don’t recall much complaint. We’ve discussed that dynamic before as it relates to criticism of Israel on my end and your reluctance to throw blood in the water on this mb so point already discussed. Now that you have ideological backup on this board, maybe more criticism of the Dems could be forthcoming. Who knows? I won’t hold my breath, but we’re living in strange times
 

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I didn't watch. How'd you do?
Pretty darn good, though I’m really sad he didn’t bring up the ballroom. At this point it’s obviously the most important thing to this administration, and apparently the American people, considering how often he forces it into completely unrelated conversations. Missed opportunity on his part.

He hit almost every other one, though, except for the “Give it 48 hours.” Instead, he went with the usual “2 to 3 more weeks,” which is what he always says when he’s BSing. Nothing new here. He uses these primetime speeches and social media posts to try to move the stock market. It’s been effective so far, but you can’t BS supply and demand forever. If I was going to place a bet, I’d bet on ground troops being deployed this weekend, maybe even Friday. It’s a holiday weekend, so he has more time to lie before the markets open back up.

He’s completely screwed himself on this, though. The best option he has is to walk away and declare a fake victory, but if he does that, Iran will now completely control the Strait of Hormuz, which they didn’t do before he and Bibi started the war. In the long run, this would turn Iran into a real global economic power. Iran has obviously suffered a lot of catastrophic infrastructure damage during this war, but I think they take that any day if it leads to control of the strait and the monetary boon that comes with it. If you need proof, look at how many of our Middle Eastern “allies” are now reaching out to Iran through Pakistan. They know what’s coming, and they will shift accordingly. Trump has proven that the US is not a reliable ally. Mix that with the strategic failure of this war, and countries will look at the US as a power in decline, which is obviously really bad for our economic future.

I don’t think this is what Trump’s going to do, though. I think he’ll double down and put troops on the ground, which will lead to the same outcome ultimately, but with a lot of dead Americans. To circumvent the previous outcome, I think we would have to take the entire strait and hold it going forward. For a country that is already historically against this war and $40 trillion in debt, this is simply not happening. Americans have no stomach for another endless Middle Eastern war.
 

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But… America first? Right?

Maybe he should cut Medicare. It would certainly give his main voting block a valuable life lesson they can’t ignore. What Trump is forgetting here is that red states are already welfare states, with most pulling in roughly 30% to 40% of their budgets from federal funding and some pushing past 50%. This country only exists because the federal government traditionally enables financial transfers from blue states to red states.

Now he’s saying states need to be responsible for bridging the funding gap to pay for these programs, but how exactly is that supposed to work when those same states don’t have the tax base to replace what they’re losing? Red states are about to take a big fat L in Trump’s next budget.




This is, without a doubt, the most lawless, corrupt presidential administration this country has ever seen. American soldiers died so that Pete Hegseth could make insider trades.




Uh oh, Pam, no pardon for you. Time to lawyer up. Letting the world know Diddlin Don’s true nature was simply inexcusable. She tried her best, though. There’s simply too much evidence to hide. Without a pardon, I think she’s going to do some time for her lies under oath and general obstruction of justice, and she certainly won’t be the only one from this administration who meets that fate.

For the party and administration of “law and order,” it’s interesting to note that under Pam Bondi and Donald Trump, the DOJ dropped 23,000 criminal cases, including hundreds of investigations into terrorism, white collar crime, and drugs, in just their first six months in office so they could pivot to murdering American citizens in the streets instead.

Tulsi Gabbard is rumored to be fired soon as well. If that happens, it’ll be another example of what happens when you sell your soul for Trump. As his problems worsen and his new political reality sets in, he’s going to lay the blame for his failures on all his lackeys. It doesn’t matter, though. Nothing is going to stop what’s coming with the midterms.

UPDATE: Pam has now been fired. She should have released the files when she had the chance. I hope justice is swift.

@Mac9192, hope you’re doing well! Miss you, friend.
 
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This is what you do when the war is going great and is going to be over in 2 to 3 weeks.

Could you imagine dedicating you entire life to service in the US Army and a weekend Fox News host demands your resignation? Clown show 🤡




Rich, famous, committed a crime but have bribe money? No problem! Just call the President directly, and he’ll see that you’re free and clear! He’s got plenty of time to take your call; it’s not like a war is going on or anything.

Hope you’re having a great day @Mac9192! Miss you buddy!
 
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Ghost of Dattier

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Secy Noem out. AG Bondi out. Director Gabbard on the chopping block.
Murdered brown kids. Raped girls.

This really isn't what "women and children first" means, Mr. President.
 

DuckDevil

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Will Ferrell Lol GIF


Republicans bankrupt the country, Democrats clean up the mess, morons vote Republican because of culture war nonsense, Republicans bankrupt the country, Democrats clean up the mess…
Vicious cycle continues.
 
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