The Great Replacement

MTTiger19

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I don’t even know how to process this. I read a report yesterday that 23% of all Mexican citizens are living in America. Then I did some research. Look at what is going on. We are literally bankrolling third world countries with American tax dollars. This is treason.


Here’s the closest reliable data from sources like the World Bank, IDB, and others (mostly 2023–2024 figures):


• Mexico — Receives the most remittances globally from the US (~$62–66 billion annually, ~95% from US). Remittances are ~3–4% of Mexico’s GDP. Estimates suggest Mexican immigrants in the US remit ~17–18% of their income on average.


• Haiti — Remittances ~$3–4 billion (significant portion from US), ~20% of Haiti’s GDP.


• Cuba — Remittances ~$4 billion (mostly from US), ~7% of GDP (estimates vary due to restrictions and informal channels).


• Honduras: ~25–27% of GDP from remittances.


• Guatemala: ~19–20% of GDP.


• El Salvador: ~24% of GDP.


• Nicaragua: ~27–37% of GDP (highest as % of GDP in some reports).
 
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The other interesting thing here is you’re going to get called horrible things for posting this but there’s absolutely truth to it. Only predominantly white countries are expected to bring in thousands, if not millions, of refugees, asylum seekers and third world migrants. I don’t hear calls for China, Russia, India, Syria, South Africa, etc to open their borders and welcome everyone on planet earth. That’s just reserved for the UK and the US. It’s things like this that make moderate people like me be anti-immigration. This is a state sponsored invasion. It’s complete insanity and my grandfather who fought in WW2 is rolling over in his grave. They didn’t fight for us to bring in people from horrible places and put them on welfare. What a bunch of psychopaths.
 

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I don’t even know how to process this. I read a report yesterday that 23% of all Mexican citizens are living in America. Then I did some research. Look at what is going on. We are literally bankrolling third world countries with American tax dollars. This is treason.


Here’s the closest reliable data from sources like the World Bank, IDB, and others (mostly 2023–2024 figures):


• Mexico — Receives the most remittances globally from the US (~$62–66 billion annually, ~95% from US). Remittances are ~3–4% of Mexico’s GDP. Estimates suggest Mexican immigrants in the US remit ~17–18% of their income on average.


• Haiti — Remittances ~$3–4 billion (significant portion from US), ~20% of Haiti’s GDP.


• Cuba — Remittances ~$4 billion (mostly from US), ~7% of GDP (estimates vary due to restrictions and informal channels).


• Honduras: ~25–27% of GDP from remittances.


• Guatemala: ~19–20% of GDP.


• El Salvador: ~24% of GDP.


• Nicaragua: ~27–37% of GDP (highest as % of GDP in some reports).

We should tax remittances. It’s income provided by American companies that is taken out of our economy. I would say something like 15% is fair.
 

TheValley91

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We should tax remittances. It’s income provided by American companies that is taken out of our economy. I would say something like 15% is fair.
Look at the anti tax guy supporting a tax that he doesn't have to pay. Boy you would be howling if you had family abroad that you supported financially.
 

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Look at the anti tax guy supporting a tax that he doesn't have to pay. Boy you would be howling if you had family abroad that you supported financially.

Money kept in the US gets spent in the US and contributes to GDP and the tax base in other ways. Money shipped abroad does not. This makes up for that. It’s quite logical.
 
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TheValley91

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Money kept in the US gets spent in the US and contributes to GDP and the tax base in other ways. Money shipped abroad does not. This makes up for that. It’s quite logical.
I'm sure you have been on vacations, and traveled elsewhere with money you made from the US. You would absolutely support taxing that money as well of course.

Didn't realize you wanted the government to tax you more after you already paid taxes on your income.
 

MTTiger19

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Look at the anti tax guy supporting a tax that he doesn't have to pay. Boy you would be howling if you had family abroad that you supported financially.
Is there ever a point that you start looking at this practically or is it always just nazi racism? You understand that this is not sustainable and will lead to a recession at best correct? Is that acceptable to you to feel virtuous? We will all be on welfare if they keep this up. That sound good?
 

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"Just because we hate other races/cultures doesn't make us racist! Your words mean nothing!" - Typical maga supporter
JFC dude. Do you think we have unlimited money and resources? What don’t you understand about the word “finite”.
 
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MAGA embracing the Great Replacement Theory is fitting, considering it was created by a white nationalist and is a highly racist dog whistle.
So you don’t find it odd that the countries experiencing the most third world migration are three white countries? US, Germany and UK. There’s like 400 other countries anyone could go to. You don’t find that suspicious at all?
 
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TheValley91

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JFC dude. Do you think we have unlimited money and resources? What don’t you understand about the word “finite”.
What did you wake up enraged about today?

That non-white people make money and do what they want with it? Unlike, white people who make money and do what they want with it?

I know your go to is to blame immigrants for all of the problems in the world. Maybe ask yourself why that is.
 

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So you don’t find it odd that the countries experiencing the most third world migration are three white countries? US, Germany and UK. There’s like 400 other countries anyone could go to. You don’t find that suspicious at all?
Not really, considering the US, UK, and to a far lesser extent, Germany, have all spent decades destabilizing the second and third world countries leading to mass immigration from those countries.. Those citizens aren't going to emigrate to other second or third world countries - they're going to want to go to the first world countries that offer the best chances for personal betterment.
 

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Not really, considering the US, UK, and to a far lesser extent, Germany, have all spent decades destabilizing the second and third world countries leading to mass immigration from those countries.. Those citizens aren't going to emigrate to other second or third world countries - they're going to want to go to the first world countries that offer the best chances for personal betterment.
So to hell with the people that are native. That’s your position. Wow. At least you’re honest. Pure socialist.
 

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What did you wake up enraged about today?

That non-white people make money and do what they want with it? Unlike, white people who make money and do what they want with it?

I know your go to is to blame immigrants for all of the problems in the world. Maybe ask yourself why that is.
Great non-answer with more grievances and no answer. It’s just facts, if you don’t like them watch CNN. If 61% of immigrants are on welfare and we keep bringing them here, that is unsustainable. Thats not racism. Grow up.

If you make 100k a year and your wife is spending 200k you go broke. That doesn’t make her a racist, just stupid.
 

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Sigh… once again that tweet is super misleading and is just propaganda. It’s comparing 1970 cash welfare to 2020 total benefits. That '59%' stat counts an entire whole household as 'immigrant welfare' even if it’s just a US-born citizen kid getting a free school lunch.

Plus, the white population 'drop' is mostly just the Census changing how they count mixed-race families which used to be counted as ‘white’ before the 2020 census.

It's not a conspiracy, it's just bad math. If you include mixed-race families (like all the census before and why the numbers are so glaring in the tweet), the white population is actually 71%, not 61%. We aren't being replaced, we're just having mixed kids.
 

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Sigh… once again that tweet is super misleading and is just propaganda. It’s comparing 1970 cash welfare to 2020 total benefits. That '59%' stat counts an entire whole household as 'immigrant welfare' even if it’s just a US-born citizen kid getting a free school lunch.

Plus, the white population 'drop' is mostly just the Census changing how they count mixed-race families which used to be counted as ‘white’ before the 2020 census.

It's not a conspiracy, it's just bad math. If you include mixed-race families (like all the census before and why the numbers are so glaring in the tweet), the white population is actually 71%, not 61%. We aren't being replaced, we're just having mixed kids.
What about the 86% of immigrant families who have at least one member working vs 73% of US Born families?

But that goes against the idea that immigrants are just floating on hard working american born folk.
 
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We should tax remittances. It’s income provided by American companies that is taken out of our economy. I would say something like 15% is fair.
These folks already pay income tax on their earnings, and are generally paid below market wages BECAUSE they are undocumented and their employers can therefore get away with paying less. Taxing remittances on top of that is neither fair nor wise policy.

If we are casting about for a new source of revenue, I suggest that we enact a significant sales tax on the sale of guns and ammo. That will raise a whole lot of revenue, and the gun nuts will be the people paying it. That's a win-win.
 

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What about the 86% of immigrant families who have at least one member working vs 73% of US Born families?

But that goes against the idea that immigrants are just floating on hard working american born folk.
Immigrants are violent, don't work hard, and are a drain on society, right? That's the line?

Pretty sure all of these were debunked by a right wing think tank literally within THIS month
 

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Immigrants are violent, don't work hard, and are a drain on society, right? That's the line?

Pretty sure all of these were debunked by a right wing think tank literally within THIS month

Many are. And corrupt too. You forgot that.
 

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Sigh… once again that tweet is super misleading and is just propaganda. It’s comparing 1970 cash welfare to 2020 total benefits. That '59%' stat counts an entire whole household as 'immigrant welfare' even if it’s just a US-born citizen kid getting a free school lunch.

Plus, the white population 'drop' is mostly just the Census changing how they count mixed-race families which used to be counted as ‘white’ before the 2020 census.

It's not a conspiracy, it's just bad math. If you include mixed-race families (like all the census before and why the numbers are so glaring in the tweet), the white population is actually 71%, not 61%. We aren't being replaced, we're just having mixed kids.
You’re missing the point. We have millions and millions here, born here and raised here that need help. We pay more to interest than our entire military. We cannot afford this. Period. Has nothing to do with anything else. Period end of discussion. Prove me wrong and I’ll never post here again. We cannot continue to allow that many immigrants in and put them on welfare. For every one going on welfare you need three people working. The math don’t math bro. We are out of money. Thats it.
 
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Read more bit ch

Read this Mr. Compassionate-Empathy...

(The Center Square) – Through painstaking work of police investigators and prosecutors, and voicemail recordings used as evidence, recent cases reveal that American women and girls raped and murdered by foreign nationals illegally in the U.S. fought back against their attackers, struggling for their lives before they were overpowered, violently assaulted and killed.

They did not die peacefully. They were terrified, evidence shows. They clawed, scratched and bit their attackers. Some called for help. And for those who left a voicemail, their struggle and last breath were forever captured on a recording.

They were attacked when they were alone. They suffered and gasped for air as they were strangled. They struggled against the man or men who eventually overpowered and brutally assaulted them. Their bodies were left like garbage, their mothers have said.

They were attacked in their homes or along trails familiar to them that was part of their daily lives. They were given no warning that a criminal had traveled thousands of miles from a foreign land, was released into their country by their own
government or evaded capture, and came to their neighborhood and weren’t supposed to be anywhere near them.

https://www.thecentersquare.com/national/article_6919d75a-bf2c-11ef-98c4-afc0632146b5.html

You know, there was a time not so long ago when people like you would say, "if we can save JUST ONE LIFE."

What changed?
 
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Astonishing what occurred in the last 6 years alone. Would have been much worse without Trump winning.


Some interesting points below, especially the second one.
  • The presence of extended family or unrelated individuals does not explain immigrants’ higher welfare use, as the vast majority of immigrant households are nuclear families. Further, of immigrant households comprised of only a nuclear family, 49 percent use the welfare system compared to 35 percent of nuclear family U.S.-born households.
  • The high welfare use of immigrant households is not explained by an unwillingness to work. In fact, 83 percent of all immigrant households and 94 percent of illegal-headed households have at least one worker, compared to 73 percent of U.S.-born households.
  • Immigrants’ higher welfare use relative to the U.S.-born is partly, but only partly, explained by the larger share with modest education levels, their resulting lower incomes, and the greater percentage of immigrant households with children.
  • Immigrant households without children, as well as those with high incomes and those headed by immigrants with at least a bachelor’s degree, tend to be more likely to use welfare than their U.S.-born counterparts.
 
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MAGA embracing the Great Replacement Theory is fitting, considering it was created by a white nationalist and is a highly racist dog whistle.

These folks already pay income tax on their earnings, and are generally paid below market wages BECAUSE they are undocumented and their employers can therefore get away with paying less. Taxing remittances on top of that is neither fair nor wise policy.

If we are casting about for a new source of revenue, I suggest that we enact a significant sales tax on the sale of guns and ammo. That will raise a whole lot of revenue, and the gun nuts will be the people paying it. That's a win-win.
so working in violation of the law (undocumented) is OK. And why is taxing remittances not wise policy? I'm not implying it is, just wonder why you think it is not.
 
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Read this Mr. Compassionate-Empathy...

(The Center Square) – Through painstaking work of police investigators and prosecutors, and voicemail recordings used as evidence, recent cases reveal that American women and girls raped and murdered by foreign nationals illegally in the U.S. fought back against their attackers, struggling for their lives before they were overpowered, violently assaulted and killed.

They did not die peacefully. They were terrified, evidence shows. They clawed, scratched and bit their attackers. Some called for help. And for those who left a voicemail, their struggle and last breath were forever captured on a recording.

They were attacked when they were alone. They suffered and gasped for air as they were strangled. They struggled against the man or men who eventually overpowered and brutally assaulted them. Their bodies were left like garbage, their mothers have said.

They were attacked in their homes or along trails familiar to them that was part of their daily lives. They were given no warning that a criminal had traveled thousands of miles from a foreign land, was released into their country by their own
government or evaded capture, and came to their neighborhood and weren’t supposed to be anywhere near them.

https://www.thecentersquare.com/national/article_6919d75a-bf2c-11ef-98c4-afc0632146b5.html

You know, there was a time not so long ago when people like you would say, "if we can save JUST ONE LIFE."

What changed?
trump got elected....as Bill Maher said, trump makes people stupid
 

PawPride

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So to hell with the people that are native. That’s your position. Wow. At least you’re honest. Pure socialist.
I didn't say any of that; impressive misrepresentation of my statement. I also don't think that bitching about losing American "culture" is anything other than veiled attempts at pussyfooting around outright racism. What culture is it that you think is being wiped out?

How do you square the US spending the majority of a century destabilizing countries across the globe, and then acting surprised when the citizens who are the victims of that destabilization want to leave for greener pastures?

I'd recommend you do some introspection if you're seriously entertaining the "Great Replacement Theory", considering its roots and who its main champions are.
 

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so working in violation of the law (undocumented) is OK. And why is taxing remittances not wise policy? I'm not implying it is, just wonder why you think it is not.
? I didn't say that. My contention is the mainstreaming of the Great Replacement Theory, which is an alt-right white nationalist bogeyman championed by Neo Nazis across the world.
 

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Read this Mr. Compassionate-Empathy...

(The Center Square) – Through painstaking work of police investigators and prosecutors, and voicemail recordings used as evidence, recent cases reveal that American women and girls raped and murdered by foreign nationals illegally in the U.S. fought back against their attackers, struggling for their lives before they were overpowered, violently assaulted and killed.

They did not die peacefully. They were terrified, evidence shows. They clawed, scratched and bit their attackers. Some called for help. And for those who left a voicemail, their struggle and last breath were forever captured on a recording.

They were attacked when they were alone. They suffered and gasped for air as they were strangled. They struggled against the man or men who eventually overpowered and brutally assaulted them. Their bodies were left like garbage, their mothers have said.

They were attacked in their homes or along trails familiar to them that was part of their daily lives. They were given no warning that a criminal had traveled thousands of miles from a foreign land, was released into their country by their own
government or evaded capture, and came to their neighborhood and weren’t supposed to be anywhere near them.

https://www.thecentersquare.com/national/article_6919d75a-bf2c-11ef-98c4-afc0632146b5.html

You know, there was a time not so long ago when people like you would say, "if we can save JUST ONE LIFE."

What changed?
Yall's constant anecdotal evidence is ridiculous and not worth anytime. Pull up the police blotter again and find some more black on white crime to make you feel better while you're at it
 

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? I didn't say that. My contention is the mainstreaming of the Great Replacement Theory, which is an alt-right white nationalist bogeyman championed by Neo Nazis across the world.
Ned will say "I've never heard of that" and "it's probably not true" and "most citizens don't know about that, thus it doesn't matter" even though its infiltrating the highest level of our government. Trump is LITERALLY as we speak, trying to appoint a self-avowed White Nationalist as the Assistant Secretary of State for International Organizations.
 

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You’re missing the point. We have millions and millions here, born here and raised here that need help. We pay more to interest than our entire military. We cannot afford this. Period. Has nothing to do with anything else. Period end of discussion. Prove me wrong and I’ll never post here again. We cannot continue to allow that many immigrants in and put them on welfare. For every one going on welfare you need three people working. The math don’t math bro. We are out of money. Thats it.
I didn't miss the point, I just think the opposite, and data backs it up. You have a built in assumption that immigrants are a cost, but the CBO estimates they will reduce the deficit by nearly $1 trillion over the next decade through payroll taxes. If we are 'out of money,' we need more taxpayers working, not fewer. Kicking them out makes the debt problem worse, not better, and the majority pay taxes.
 
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Yall's constant anecdotal evidence is ridiculous and not worth anytime. Pull up the police blotter again and find some more black on white crime to make you feel better while you're at it

LOL... You are like a duck constantly quacking "ANECDOTAL" because you don't want to face the reality of what you and your party has done.

If you had compassion and empathy, you would worry more about black on black crime.
 

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I didn't miss the point, I just think the opposite, and data backs it up. You have a built in assumption that immigrants are a cost, but the CBO estimates they will reduce the deficit by nearly $1 trillion over the next decade through payroll taxes. If we are 'out of money,' we need more taxpayers working, not fewer. Kicking them out makes the debt problem worse, not better, and the majority pay taxes.
Is that why England is on the verge of collapsing. In theory of course that’s how it should work. But in the real world that is absolutely not happening. We don’t have 10 more years to figure it out. This isn’t hard. What’s the average salary of the people you’re referring to? What type of work are they doing? It’s low wage work. Now look at how we tax low wages, we don’t. How does that contribute? Oh they’ll buy stuff, how much? You think illegals are coming here and inventing AI or something. This is common sense.
 

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so working in violation of the law (undocumented) is OK. And why is taxing remittances not wise policy? I'm not implying it is, just wonder why you think it is not.
People (citizens and non-citizens alike) who derive income from U.S. sources pay both the U.S. federal government and one or more state governments an income tax on that income. With the possible exception of gift and estate taxes (which apply to a fraction of 1% of the U.S. population), a taxpayer's after tax income is not subjected to a second tax. But taxing remittances would do just that, and it would do it to a small cross section of the U.S. workforce (i.e., resident aliens), a cross section that is already on the very low end of the income earning spectrum.

Moreover, taxing remittances is essentially taxing behavior. ("Those damn aliens, how dare they come here and take relatively low paying jobs most U.S. citizens refuse to take!! Forget about the U.S. employers who hire them at low hourly wages. They didn't do anything wrong. We need to find a way to penalize those (literally) poor bastards who are here working in those jobs. Let's tax their remittances.")
 
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trump got elected....as Bill Maher said, trump makes people stupid
Hermy McFluffins is a prime example of that. Although he was stupid to begin with (Imagine flunking out of Widener "University!"), and simply became more stupid.
 

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? I didn't say that. My contention is the mainstreaming of the Great Replacement Theory, which is an alt-right white nationalist bogeyman championed by Neo Nazis across the world.
What IS your contention? You need to complete that sentence fragment.
 

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What IS your contention? You need to complete that sentence fragment.
Yeah that was a poorly phrased sentence that I was hoping would be ignored! I was trying to explain my disdain with the Republican Party embracing a white nationalist talking point and it becoming more prominent of a discussion topic amongst right wingers online.
 
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