The Great Replacement

MTTiger19

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Illegal immigration impacts two of the three largest costs to our economy. Entitlements and healthcare. That’s costing us far more than 2$ apples.

Federal spending falls into a few big buckets, based on recent CBO, Treasury, and Bipartisan Policy Center data for FY2025–2026:


• Mandatory/Entitlement Programs (largest and fastest-growing portion, ~60–70% of total spending):


• Social Security: ~22% of spending (around $1.6 trillion in recent years, projected to rise sharply due to an aging population—Baby Boomers retiring).


• Medicare & Medicaid/Health Programs: ~16–20% combined (Medicare alone ~$1.2 trillion+, growing fast from healthcare costs and more enrollees).
 
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fatpiggy

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“Artificial price setting is a defining, central feature of socialist economies, where state planning agencies fix prices rather than allowing market forces of supply and demand to determine them.”

And you scream about the socialist “Libtards”.
You clearly never took logic as a course
 
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Jfcarter3

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They do work Americans won’t do at a below market wage. Include all the details.

That’s capitalism.

Breaking the law is not capitalism. It’s the exact opposite. wtf are you even talking about?
Where is doing something cheaper than someone else breaking the law? I understand that you want to make a leap there, but that is not what was said. What was said was that they do something cheaper below market wage. Nothing illegal about doing something cheaper below market wage.

Unless, of course, words are getting in the way and what you actually mean is minimum wage. So if what you're saying is not what you wrote, which would track, then, yes, there is a problem working below minimum wage (which is not the same thing as market wage).
 

Jfcarter3

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You clearly never took logic as a course
Ironic. I consider you functionally retarded so the fact that you cannot follow what I am saying actually makes me feel better. Kind of like not being able to understand crazy.
 

fatpiggy

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It's illegal for them to be here in the first place. The rest doesn't matter. No one is above the law.

They undercut the wages of Americans. If you want that, then vote for it. I've always pushed for a reformed immigration system. It just needs to be done legally.

The argument is not whether they bring down the price of labor. That is economics 101. The debate is on whether they should be here in the first place, and if so how many.
 

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Stephen A Smith says Trump right to secure border, says 'emergency efforts were necessary' after Biden's term​


https://www.foxnews.com/media/steph...-efforts-were-necessary-after-bidens-term.amp

Sports commentator Stephen A. Smith argued Sunday that while President Donald Trump’s methods may be flawed, he has taken understandable action to solve a crisis former President Joe Biden created.

During an interview with "CBS Sunday Morning," Stephen A. Smith announced that he will soon determine whether he himself will run for president.

"I will make a decision in early 2027, but I am not ruling it out because I expect a lot of success to come my way. And Lord help everybody if the amount of success comes my way ensures that I never have to worry about my quality of life ever again," he said — a departure from previous denials.

When asked about Trump, Smith said that while he isn’t comfortable with the president’s tactics, he understands why Trump acted to address a crisis worsened by Biden. "I don't like what I'm seeing, but everything he does is not wrong," he said.
 

baltimorened

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Well by all means, let’s destroy our economy for cheap fruits and veggies!! I mean how much more can you charge for an apple? I would’ve never believed that the price of cherries would be the demise of the greatest nation on planet earth. And frankly we do end up paying - in the form of higher taxes, lower wages, higher crime and more people on taxpayer funded subsidies. Incredible this has do be explained.
I still don't understand the argument. The migrants who pick our fruits and veggies are here on H2A visas. They are not illegally here. and if we need more migrant workers, we can increase the number of these visas we issue. There is no need for Americans citizens to do this work.
 

Jfcarter3

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Who’s undercutting the market? Illegals. It’s literally in the title we use for them. Take the L bro. Move on.

by your own logic we should employ children, they work for even less than illegals.
No L here. Whatever you need to tell yourself, my man. But I'd keep children away from MAGAs - especially young females...
 

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Stephen A Smith says Trump right to secure border, says 'emergency efforts were necessary' after Biden's term​


https://www.foxnews.com/media/steph...-efforts-were-necessary-after-bidens-term.amp

Sports commentator Stephen A. Smith argued Sunday that while President Donald Trump’s methods may be flawed, he has taken understandable action to solve a crisis former President Joe Biden created.

During an interview with "CBS Sunday Morning," Stephen A. Smith announced that he will soon determine whether he himself will run for president.

"I will make a decision in early 2027, but I am not ruling it out because I expect a lot of success to come my way. And Lord help everybody if the amount of success comes my way ensures that I never have to worry about my quality of life ever again," he said — a departure from previous denials.

When asked about Trump, Smith said that while he isn’t comfortable with the president’s tactics, he understands why Trump acted to address a crisis worsened by Biden. "I don't like what I'm seeing, but everything he does is not wrong," he said.
Things must be tough when you are posting Steven A **** in a good light lol
 
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MTTiger19

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I still don't understand the argument. The migrants who pick our fruits and veggies are here on H2A visas. They are not illegally here. and if we need more migrant workers, we can increase the number of these visas we issue. There is no need for Americans citizens to do this work.
There’s a concerted effort to manipulate the public by lying to them.
 
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PawPride

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Just look at the facts of what's occurring. No other conclusion and crying racism is a tired and worn out lie related to this subject. I do not care about any bs insults from low IQ people.
Sorry if you don’t like the truth. You’re peddling a white nationalist talking point because you support white nationalist policies. Just do a modicum of research on the origins of the theory and who all has been pushing it mainstream.
 

PawPride

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Because people are leaving blue states (California, NY, Illinois, Maryland etc) in droves and moving to red states.

I tend to believe that illegals aren’t voting or at least not voting in numbers to make a difference BUT what they are doing is being counted in the Census and the Census is what determines congressional districts and the number of reps in Congress. Sooooooooooo the blue states had to replace the people they lost to the population shift..

that is why …
That was the case immediately following COVID, which anyone with a lick of common sense can explain, but the numbers over the last few years absolutely discredit this claim.
 
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PawPride

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Of course but that’s a secondary point. The left constantly tells you how much illegals contribute to taxes, my point is they don’t, as by their own admission those people are mainly doing menial labor and jobs. They’re not paying taxes like you and I, nor are they spending their money here in our economy. So not only does it hurt American workers by taking jobs, it also lowers wages. How can McDonald’s employees get 20$/hr when people are building houses for 12$/hr.
Okay, where is your supporting evidence claiming illegal immigrants don’t contribute to taxes? The posters who’ve argued against you are providing studies and articles detailing their findings, and you’re just providing your feelings?
 
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PAWrocka

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That was the case immediately following COVID, which anyone with a lick of common sense can explain, but the numbers over the last few years absolutely discredit this claim.
Thanks for the reply, but no it absolutely does not. California has lost 700k per year since 2020. New York 400k per year, Illinois 420k per year, Maryland 100k per year.

The population shift goes beyond 2020, and you can actually trace it back to when NAFTA was originally signed and businesses moved from Northern/Mid West Union states to the right to work states in the South east and west.
 

PawPride

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Thanks for the reply, but no it absolutely does not. California has lost 700k per year since 2020. New York 400k per year, Illinois 420k per year, Maryland 100k per year.

The population shift goes beyond 2020, and you can actually trace it back to when NAFTA was originally signed and businesses moved from Northern/Mid West Union states to the right to work states in the South east and west.
The facts don’t support your claims - please see the below links verifying my claims that the last few years the populations are rising following the post-COVID exodus.
New York - the state in total is up, and the city is increasing as well - https://edc.nyc/press-release/mayor...ecutive-years-population-growth-new-york-city
Numbers below are the state in total
  • 2024 (Est):
    8,478,000 (87,000 gain from 2023)
    • 2023 (Est): 8,391,000 (revised, showing early recovery)
    • 2022 (Est): 8,335,889 (pandemic-era low)
    • 2020 (Census): 8,804,190 (peak population)
Maryland - the Federal reserve disagrees with your claim. Change the graph to 5year

Illinois -
Illinois' population was approximately 12.58 million in 2022, marking a decrease of about 2% from 2010
. While experiencing a decade-long decline following 2010, the state recorded population growth for three consecutive years ending in 2025, adding 16,108 residents between July 2024 and July 2025, with a total population around 12.5–12.8 million in recent years.

Key Historical Population Data for California -
  • 2026 (Projected): 39,896,400
  • 2024: 39,431,263
  • 2023: 39,198,693
  • 2022: 39,142,414
  • 2021: 39,142,565
  • 2020 (Census): 39,538,223
 

Jfcarter3

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Maybe reduce who and how much welfare people get and maybe more would do those jobs.
I don't necessarily disagree with this. I absolutely do remember growing up working construction and us going to get day laborers on an as needed basis. My boss would offer to pay them $100 or so for the day and buy them a meat and three lunch and guys, guys I might add who didn't exactly look like immigrants, wouldn't take it.
 
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tigres88

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I honestly am still shocked "The Great Replacement" theory is getting any arguments from the right, even in this thread. It's literally a white supremacist ideology- we aren't talking about immigrants being a burden on taxpayers, or anything else that has been discussed in this thread, nor are we talking about "micro aggressions" or leftist bull sh it, or saying the N word.

GRT is literally claiming that immigration, lower birth rates, and mixed-race families are intentional act of malice or "genocide" against white people.

The core tenets of GRT LEGITIMATELY posit that non-white people are biologically or culturally "inferior" and that their presence destroys "civilization."

And yall are arguing for this? SERIOUSLY?
 
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MTTiger19

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I honestly am still shocked "The Great Replacement" theory is getting any arguments from the right, even in this thread. It's literally a white supremacist ideology- we aren't talking about immigrants being a burden on taxpayers, or anything else that has been discussed in this thread, nor are we talking about "micro aggressions" or leftist bull sh it, or saying the N word.

GRT is literally claiming that immigration, lower birth rates, and mixed-race families are intentional act of malice or "genocide" against white people.

The core tenets of GRT LEGITIMATELY posit that non-white people are biologically or culturally "inferior" and that their presence destroys "civilization."

And yall are arguing for this? SERIOUSLY?
I don’t think a single person is supporting that. That’s not been argued by anyone.
 
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PAWrocka

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The facts don’t support your claims - please see the below links verifying my claims that the last few years the populations are rising following the post-COVID exodus.
New York - the state in total is up, and the city is increasing as well - https://edc.nyc/press-release/mayor...ecutive-years-population-growth-new-york-city
Numbers below are the state in total
  • 2024 (Est):
    8,478,000 (87,000 gain from 2023)
    • 2023 (Est): 8,391,000 (revised, showing early recovery)
    • 2022 (Est): 8,335,889 (pandemic-era low)
    • 2020 (Census): 8,804,190 (peak population)
Maryland - the Federal reserve disagrees with your claim. Change the graph to 5year

Illinois -
Illinois' population was approximately 12.58 million in 2022, marking a decrease of about 2% from 2010
. While experiencing a decade-long decline following 2010, the state recorded population growth for three consecutive years ending in 2025, adding 16,108 residents between July 2024 and July 2025, with a total population around 12.5–12.8 million in recent years.

Key Historical Population Data for California -
  • 2026 (Projected): 39,896,400
  • 2024: 39,431,263
  • 2023: 39,198,693
  • 2022: 39,142,414
  • 2021: 39,142,565
  • 2020 (Census): 39,538,223
its interesting that you decided to provide links which quote census data, when it was already established that the reason that Biden willfully ignored one of his primary duties as president was to manipulate census data by opening our borders and funneling illegals to states that were losing population.

So in a round about way, thanks for proving my point.

Have a blessed evening
 
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tigres88

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I don’t think a single person is supporting that. That’s not been argued by anyone.
It’s the title of the thread. It’s the viewpoint that’s espoused in this thread, whether you’ve read up on it enough or not. What I stated is literally the great replacement theory by definition. Change the discussion how you want, but your interpretation is not the definition
 
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dpic73

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its interesting that you decided to provide links which quote census data, when it was already established that the reason that Biden willfully ignored one of this primary duties as president was to manipulate census data by opening out borders and funneling illegals to states that were losing population.

So in a round about way, thanks is for proving my point.
Who established it and wow did he fail spectacularly!

Future Trends: Recent data from the Cato Institute indicates that 95% of noncitizen population growth between 2019 and 2023 occurred in Republican-led states, suggesting that GOP-leaning states might face greater seat losses in future apportionment cycles if these populations were excluded.

 

MTTiger19

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It’s the title of the thread. It’s the viewpoint that’s espoused in this thread, whether you’ve read up on it enough or not. What I stated is literally the great replacement theory by definition. Change the discussion how you want, but your interpretation is not the definition
Don’t lecture me about definitions until yall can define what’s a man and woman. That’s complete interpretation if there ever was lol.
 

PawPride

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As stated, illegals are counted in the census, your “facts” are counting illegals and therefore not valid.

have a good evening.

its interesting that you decided to provide links which quote census data, when it was already established that the reason that Biden willfully ignored one of this primary duties as president was to manipulate census data by opening out borders and funneling illegals to states that were losing population.

So in a round about way, thanks is for proving my point.

Have a blessed evening
Okay, so what I'm doing is providing data supporting my claim; it would be nice if you would support evidence backing your claim. I don't subscribe to the belief that the Biden administration was just opening the borders and shuttling immigrants to targeted states to impact the census as I haven't seen any such evidence to support it. I'm absolutely open to having my opinion changed, but I just haven't seen any credible evidence supporting the notion.
 

tigres88

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Don’t lecture me about definitions until yall can define what’s a man and woman. That’s complete interpretation if there ever was lol.
Change the topic of this thread all you want, but you’re openly arguing for what is by definition white supremacy
 
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TigerGrowls

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Sorry if you don’t like the truth. You’re peddling a white nationalist talking point because you support white nationalist policies. Just do a modicum of research on the origins of the theory and who all has been pushing it mainstream.
Its just a fact based on numbers and the actions leading to those numbers.
 
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