yeah texas doesn’t look like the 5th best team to me.
Texas @ Gonzaga
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Zags playing well plays a huge part on that IMO.
Yes. Regression doesn't imply they weren't still good, but they weren't playing at the level they appeared to be earlier in the season. They honestly should have lost to UCLA.
Texas looks like a team who has a bunch of independent parts with not much time on the court working together.
Huh? IN the past 7 seasons, they have..............Been to 6 straight SW 16's.... 4 elite 8's... 2 FF's, and lost twice in the title game. Had the 2019-20 season not been cancelled, they'd probably, AT WORSE, have another SW 16, or better...
Thats regressing?
I wish I could pull for Gonzaga but that Timme is so annoying.
Considering they usually begin the season beating the hell out of teams and looking like a championship team, it's a regression. But you are entitled to your own opinion too!
Not real impressed with Carr so far.
Zags have played good offense for years. Give them some 5 star studs, people start noticing.
Thing I like about watching Gonzaga play, they seem to always get the ball to thier shooters in good spots.
Riiiight......They beat the **** out of teams----look like a title contender---only to lose in the National title game twice, and make 4 Elite 8's in the past 6 full seasons.
Yeah---big time regression.
Texas looks completely out of sync offensively. Lots of bad shots, played right into the Zags hands.
Holmgren played a high post on the offensive end. Rarely saw the ball. Especially since Timme had his way with Texas in the post. Longhorns had no answer.
Holmgren played a high post on the offensive end. Rarely saw the ball. Especially since Timme had his way with Texas in the post. Longhorns had no answer.
Let's see how Gonzaga's guards develop before we crown them. Timme's a beast but they lost a LOT in the backcourt. Texas is a team full of transfers and Dylan Disu still isn't cleared to play and he may end up being their best player. It's going to be interesting to see how Beard gets that team to gel.
To be fair to Texas, they don't have much time on the court together as a team and they are breaking in a new coach. I know Gonzaga has a lot of new parts, but they also have the best player (Timme) and a coach whose been there for over 20 years whereas Texas has to learn with Beard and a bunch of new parts on the fly. I think Texas will be a good bit better in 2, 3 months than they are now.
But yes, because of what I just said and others mentioned, you could make a good case for Texas being overhyped as a top 5 team at this point in time.
If they didn't regress they could have won it instead of losing to the level of teams they were beating the crap out of to start the season. I guess for an IU fan that is good enough.
When Askew is your best option at the 2 for most of firsthalf you KNOW you are over hyped.
I htinnk their b/c is gonna be just fine. Nembhard is a senior....solid. Rasir Bolton is a great pick-up via transfer. Averaged 15ppg for Iowa State. Time will tell with Salis and Hickman.
Gonzaga will never get the respect they want from everyone until they join a real conference and have to deal with the struggle of playing teams without the huge talent gap every game. Beating a good team out of conference early on isn't the same as beating them later in the season when they are at their best.
Just look at what we have to go through when you have a conference that every team circles the date of our game and makes it a big event. Gonzaga doesn't know anything about being everyone's t-shirt game.
Just look at what we have to go through when you have a conference that every team circles the date of our game and makes it a big event. Gonzaga doesn't know anything about being everyone's t-shirt game.
Eh, I’m pretty sure they are everyone’s super bowl in the WCC.Gonzaga will never get the respect they want from everyone until they join a real conference and have to deal with the struggle of playing teams without the huge talent gap every game. Beating a good team out of conference early on isn't the same as beating them later in the season when they are at their best.
Just look at what we have to go through when you have a conference that every team circles the date of our game and makes it a big event. Gonzaga doesn't know anything about being everyone's t-shirt game.
I think 2 National title games and 4 Elite 8's, in 6 seasons would be good enough for any fan...
You are abusing the word regress.... Or simply don't understand what it means, or how to use it. Maybe both.
Ummmm, every single WCC has the GU game circled....Gonzaga will never get the respect they want from everyone until they join a real conference and have to deal with the struggle of playing teams without the huge talent gap every game. Beating a good team out of conference early on isn't the same as beating them later in the season when they are at their best.
Just look at what we have to go through when you have a conference that every team circles the date of our game and makes it a big event. Gonzaga doesn't know anything about being everyone's t-shirt game.
What conference you play in is sort of irrelevant. You are either good, or not. They are really good , every year,and would compete for conference titles, easily in the B10, ACC, SEC, B12...
We'll see. They lost 2 All-American caliber guys, not including Ayayi who turned it on late in the season. Baylor beat them with 4 guards and a center the size of Chuck Hayes.
I'm not taking anything away from them but guard play trumps everything in March.
Having a bunch of mid majors (when Gonzaga has the equivalent of a power 5 roster) circling the game isn't the same as the grind of playing all power 5 teams. Right now they only have to get up for a few games or get beat compared to a whole conference of teams gunning for them.
Gonzaga will never get the respect they want from everyone until they join a real conference and have to deal with the struggle of playing teams without the huge talent gap every game. Beating a good team out of conference early on isn't the same as beating them later in the season when they are at their best.
Just look at what we have to go through when you have a conference that every team circles the date of our game and makes it a big event. Gonzaga doesn't know anything about being everyone's t-shirt game.
To add to that most good teams lose a few in conference games in power five conferences. In better conferences the talent gap isn't near the same. A bad team in a good conference can have a great night and beat an off night great team. Power five teams get lower seeds due to those losses. The Zags get an easier path each year because they play nothing but cupcakes in conference. They pretty much lock up a top 4 seed if they manage to win in the early preconference games. This only adds to the disrespect they get from most fans of the game. From the beginning of the season there are only three number one seeds left available. It's a bad situation and everyone knows it.
Ehh, I disagree. But, again, not something I would expect a modern-day IU fan to understand.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/regress they seem to disagree. It's a toss-up for who I should trust though. A random poster on a anonymous message board, or Merriam-Webster...
Ole double digit loss Beard! All I’ve heard is how great of a coach he is without results to back it up. He’s mediocre at best.
Askew is like someone impersonating a basketball player, he does nothing of value on the court
So by the context, everyone regresses , except the team that wins the title, or gets to a FF? Makes sense.Ehh, I disagree. But, again, not something I would expect a modern-day IU fan to understand.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/regress they seem to disagree. It's a toss-up for who I should trust though. A random poster on a anonymous message board, or Merriam-Webster...
What does me being an IU fan have to with anything? Such a dumb statement. Gonzaga has been to 6 straight SW 16's(was 31-2 in 2019-20, and probably at worse another SW 16)......Been to 4 Elite 8's in that same span...Played for two National titles.
How in the world is that "regressing"? What, b/c they lost 4 times, one game short of a FF? Or lost twice in the national title game? Bro its tough getting to a FF.....much less winning the title. Sometimes, great teams lose....SOmetimes the better team doesn't win. That happens.
Would you, as a UK fan take the past 6 seasons GU has had?
6 SW 16's
4 Elite 8's
2 Runner-up
Not at all. For instance, UCLA last year. They overachieved, but improved dramatically over the tournament.
You referenced expectations. I stated your expectations would obviously be much different than say UK's or some other program with success post 80's.
They have been a 1 seed 4 times, a 2 seed and a 4 seed. That really isn't that successful considering their seeding. They should have achieved more and would have if not for regressing in the post-season. Again, I would expect you to understand being an IU fan.
No, I would not trade.
Beard is a fine coach but letting Timme drop 40 on them is questionable. Definitely not a good look.
Ooof. Timme is a damn good player though. What was telling though is he was the only one that could hang with those Baylor athletes in the NC game.
Zags are always good. But the question remains. Can they win it all?
Since 1999, Gonzaga has went to the SW 16 or better 5 times----as a 4 seed or worse. Four times as a double digit seed...
1999: 10 seed. Elite 8
2000: 10 seed. SW 16
2001: 12 seed. SW 16
2016: 11 Seed. SW 16
2018: 4 seed. SW 16
Not to mention they have not lost in the 1st round since 2008. Whats crazy is during that span they have been a 7 seed or worse, 6 times in that stretch.
In other words, Gonzaga has shown they can advance in the tourney, regardless of their seed.
They are good. Very good. If they played in the SEC, B10, ACC, etc, etc....., they'd still get the high seeds, b/c well, they are very good. Look over the past 6 seasons....Or even this year. Name one team this year in any P5 conference that is better? Maybe UCLA? Maybe Kanasas? Maybe Duke? If so, not by much.
The disrespect they get is silly.