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*Fox2Monk*

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It was Adam Morrison who uttered the classic line “ Happy Gilmore accomplished that feat no more than a half an hour ago.”
 

*Fox2Monk*

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Just schedule a game with the Zags. Few will play anyone, anywhere, anytime. Calipari will never play Gonzaga, so you can forget about that.
Why do you constantly post here, go find a Zags board if you love them so much. I bet you weren’t spewing this crap except the last five years because before that the Zags were choke kings of the tournament yearly.
 
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*Fox2Monk*

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Villanova plays in a watered down Big East....BUt they have won two national titles. You really think the BE is comaparable to the SEC, B10, ACC, etc, etc....?

What does it matter what size gym GU plays in......There are 5 HS gyms in Indiana, that bigger than Cameron Indoor.

Until recently, the SEC was seen as an average P5 conference----dominated by UF and UK. In a few seasons, it was actually rated lower than the WCC.

Sure they play in a meh conference....but that has no bearing how good they are. You don't think Gonzaga could compete in the SEC, ACC, B10, etc, etc...? Of course they could.
They could but they wouldn’t dominate it with ease, probably get beat up a little more and hurt their seed come March. I’d like to see how an actual grind would affect them over the year.
 

Jamal Mercer

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In the last 15 years, Gonzaga has beaten a total of 1 team seeded 1-3 in the big dance.

They crack when the pressure is highest.

In the two semis that they actually won, they got to play an 11 seed and a 7 seed.

They are a nice program but being a little overblown.
 
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G-PIP

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Hunter Sallis doesn't get in the games for Gonzaga. I guess he's working on his skill development and learning how to play basketball at the college level. All good in my opinion. But, my question is: How would that have worked at UK? At UK would Sallis already be considered a "bust?" Would folks be saying that his "camp" is not happy and already talking transfer? Are OAD candidates allowed to be handled differently at other places (i.e., merit based) than they are at UK?

By the way, Nolan Hickman is performing well in a backup role while being groomed for the future - which I believe is exactly how he should have been used if he had came to UK. Would all parties have been ok with this at UK, or would it have been presented as some sort of anomaly or failure?
 
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mash_24

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Hunter Sallis doesn't get in the games for Gonzaga. I guess he's working on his skill development and learning how to play basketball at the college level. All good in my opinion. But, my question is: How would that have worked at UK? At UK would Sallis already be considered a "bust?" Would folks be saying that his "camp" is not happy and already talking transfer? Are OAD candidates allowed to be handled differently at other places (i.e., merit based) than they are at UK?

By the way, Nolan Hickman is performing well in a backup role while being groomed for the future - which I believe is exactly how he should have been used if he had came to UK. Would all parties have been ok with this at UK, or presented as some sort of anomaly or failure?
I think it’s perfectly fine and shows Few plays guys based upon merit. Cal for better or worse gives his star freshman a longer leash. In all honesty from what little I’ve seen, this UK team would be better right now with Mintz getting more minutes than TyTy. This philosophy paying off in the end has had mixed results for Cal. I
just don’t see how it’s a good thing for team morale.
 
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G-PIP

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Texas looks like a team who has a bunch of independent parts with not much time on the court working together.
I don't really know what to make of Texas after watching their game with Gonzaga. I know another poster made a good point in noting that Disu was not playing for them yet, and I really like him; but, I'm wondering if they're really a Top 10 team.
 

TheOtherGreatOne

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Why do you constantly post here, go find a Zags board if you love them so much. I bet you weren’t spewing this crap except the last five years because before that the Zags were choke kings of the tournament yearly.
For your information, I have watched 100 Kentucky games for everyone that you have. I am an old man and have been watching Kentucky since I was a little kid. I know more about Kentucky basketball than 95% of the people on this board. I am a retired Worker of the Commonwealth, so When I talk Kentucky basketball, I know what I am talking about. I also keep up with Gonzaga, because they play the game the way it is supposed to be played. Calipari has ruined Kentucky basketball for me. He is more worried about how many draft choices he puts out, and how much his players are making in the nba. Calipari is paid all that money to win games at Kentucky, not how much money John Wall is making. This is supposed to be a board ti discuss basketball, but there is a large portion of people on this board that can't stand it if someone has a different opinion than they do, and the jealousy of Gonzaga on this board is sickening. The fact is since 2013 Gonzaga has had a better program than Kentucky. The fact is most of Kentucky Basketball history happened in the 1940s and 50s before most of you were even on this earth. Empty seats in Rupp Arena ? Kneeling for the National Anthem, you don't think that made a difference ? Well I assure I am not tho only one that lost all respect for Calipari, because he allowed those players to do that, and no I will never get over that, and I assure you that I am not the only one that feels this way.
 

UK-Chulo

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This is the reason Beard shouldn't be talking about Askew as the next great point guard. It's clear to those of us who know basketball that Askew isn't that. Beard is just raising expectations too high for Askew. I wish the guy the best but he's not an elite guard. He may have been highly rated out of high school but he is not a 5-star talent. He is a role player for a high major team. We all found that out the hard way last season. He could become a decent rotation player by his senior year.
I'll take it one step further. I'm positive there are dozens of D-II, D-III and Juco players that could give Askew the business.
 

KyCatFan1

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For your information, I have watched 100 Kentucky games for everyone that you have. I am an old man and have been watching Kentucky since I was a little kid. I know more about Kentucky basketball than 95% of the people on this board. I am a retired Worker of the Commonwealth, so When I talk Kentucky basketball, I know what I am talking about. I also keep up with Gonzaga, because they play the game the way it is supposed to be played. Calipari has ruined Kentucky basketball for me. He is more worried about how many draft choices he puts out, and how much his players are making in the nba. Calipari is paid all that money to win games at Kentucky, not how much money John Wall is making. This is supposed to be a board ti discuss basketball, but there is a large portion of people on this board that can't stand it if someone has a different opinion than they do, and the jealousy of Gonzaga on this board is sickening. The fact is since 2013 Gonzaga has had a better program than Kentucky. The fact is most of Kentucky Basketball history happened in the 1940s and 50s before most of you were even on this earth. Empty seats in Rupp Arena ? Kneeling for the National Anthem, you don't think that made a difference ? Well I assure I am not tho only one that lost all respect for Calipari, because he allowed those players to do that, and no I will never get over that, and I assure you that I am not the only one that feels this way.
If you hate UK basketball now so bad why do you come over here? Your not going to get the validation you want for your bandwagon team you jumped to. By the way if the other poster is like me then you haven't seen 100 games to their 1. Just in the last 30 years I've seen all but 1 or 2 games. That's like 1,000 games. So unless you've seen 100,000 UK games out of about 3,000 in 100+ years (which is of course impossible) your full of crap.

Some of us are unhappy about the state of the program but we're not jumping ship to a Johnny come lately program. I'd quit following basketball altogether before becoming a bandwagon fan. By the way no one has an issue with fans from other programs coming over here as long as they are respectful but don't come here expecting everyone to be supportive of your team.
 

Gromcat_rivals

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That would be a hell of a game to watch

Surprise take - I don’t think it would be close. I say

96 - 83
15 - 67

I think 96 would cause major problems to that team. That 15 team was really good, but I still think it’s one of Cals more overrated teams. I know how that sounds, but lets face it - 15 was only as good as depth would carry them. To me the most overrated player of the Cal era is also on that team, Lyles. 15’s depth would be no factor against 96, and I can’t see Towns dominating and Stein (who had a non caring attitude) would be shut down against 96’s front court.

PG - easily 96
SG - 96
SF - easily 96 by miles
Fc - 96
Fc - 96 easily IMO.

The “it” factor for 15 is totally neutralized as 96 has just as much depth.

Coaching game: 96 has a young revolutionary Pitino. 15 has Cal, and the vanilla pound pound offense to towns in one dimensional style. Pitino would eat him alive in that game. I just can’t see 15 having any chance whatsoever.

2015 was just an overachieving team that was bound to lose. I had is checking out against Notre Dame so I was never as high on them as everyone else. Depth covered the warts and with college ball having little in the way of competition that year, the depth was just a perfect situation. But I still say if you play the 2015 tournament 10 times, we might not win a single one.

Heres where I rank them in Cals tenure.

1. 2012
2. 2010
3. 2014
4. 2015

Hard for some to believe but I’d go to war with 14 over 15 every day of the week. When Towns (soft) and Stein (zero offensive ability) are your best players and your starting SF is Trey Lyles, that ain’t coming close to 96.

@HagginHall1999 Let the obsession some have with Chris Beard continue....the Knight protege 🤮

I think he’s either UK or KU’s next coach, and I’m praying it’s ours if it turns out like that.

I don’t get the disgust with Knight anymore either. After seeing the **** show that is teams like Duke, the revolving door and poorly coached teams at UK, watching Self just look like trailer trash, Cronin at UCLA, Pearl, Miller l, Boeheim etc I just can’t hate Knight anymore. He was a winner and he made his players better for playing for him. He didn’t give two ***** what anyone thought and wouldn’t allow half the sht go in that goes on at other programs. I’d much rather have Knight than any coach we’ve had since Pitino. I get it, he was a punk from our perspective. And I can’t stand him in reality as a UK fan. But if I’m being honest, I’d take that guy in a heartbeat at UK (era permitting). There’s no telling what Knight could have done with UK.
 
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STL_Cat

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Another year of Gonzaga doing everything they can do, dominating good OOC opponents … and another year of Kentucky fans refusing to give them the credit they deserve. Why does it hurt you guys to just say Gonzaga is good? Outright refusal to accept it doesn’t make you right.
 
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christophero

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They need to win it all to break through. They do play in a weak conference, but they also are playing 3 top 10 teams before Christmas.
 

TheOtherGreatOne

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If you hate UK basketball now so bad why do you come over here? Your not going to get the validation you want for your bandwagon team you jumped to. By the way if the other poster is like me then you haven't seen 100 games to their 1. Just in the last 30 years I've seen all but 1 or 2 games. That's like 1,000 games. So unless you've seen 100,000 UK games out of about 3,000 in 100+ years (which is of course impossible) your full of crap.

Some of us are unhappy about the state of the program but we're not jumping ship to a Johnny come lately program. I'd quit following basketball altogether before becoming a bandwagon fan. By the way no one has an issue with fans from other programs coming over here as long as they are respectful but don't come here expecting everyone to be supportive of your team.
Are you Fox to Monk ? Did I say I had watched 100 games to 1 that you had ? You need to read the my post. You must be one of those guys on here that can't stand for someone having a different opinion than you do. This board is for discussing basketball not trying to diss on someone that has a different opinion than you do.
 

HagginHall1999

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Surprised take - I don’t think it would be close. I qsay

96 - 83
15 - 67

I think 96 would cause major problems to that team. That 15 team was really good, but I still think it’s one of Cals more overrated teams. I know how that sounds, but lets face it - 15 was only as good as depth would carry them. To me the most overrated player of the Cal era is also on that team, Lyles. 15’s depth would be no factor against 96, and I can’t see Towns dominating and Stein (who had a non caring attitude) would be shut down against 96’s front court.

PG - easily 96
SG - 96
SF - easily 96 by mikes
Fc - 96
Fc - 96 easily IMO.

The “it” factor for 15 is totally neutralized as 96 has just as much depth.

Coaching game: 96 has a young revolutionary Pitino. 15 has Cal, and the vanilla pound pound offense to towns in one dimensional style. Pitino would eat him alive in that game. I just can’t see 15 having any chance whatsoever.

2015 was just an overachieving team that was bound to lose. I had is checking out against Notre Dame so I was never as high on them as everyone else. Depth covered the warts and with college ball having little in the way of competition that year, the depth was just a perfect situation. But I still say if you play the 2015 tournament 10 times, we might not win a single one.

Heres where I rank them in Cals tenure.

1. 2012
2. 2010
3. 2014
4. 2015

Hard for some to believe but I’d go to war with 14 over 15 every day of the week. When Towns (soft) and Stein (zero offensive ability) are your best players and your starting SF is Trey Lyles, that ain’t coming close to 96.

@HagginHall1999 Let the obsession some have with Chris Beard continue....the Knight protege 🤮


I think he’s either UK or KU’s next coach, and I’m praying it’s ours if it turns out like that.

I don’t get the disgust with Knight anymore either. After seeing the **** show that is teams like Duke, the revolving door and poorly coached teams at UK, watching Self just look like trailer trash, Cronin at UCLA, Pearl, Miller l, Boeheim etc I just can’t hate Knight anymore. He was a winner and he made his players better for playing for him. He didn’t give two ***** what anyone thought and wouldn’t allow half the sht go in that goes on at other programs. I’d much rather have Knight than any coach we’ve had since Pitino. I get it, he was a punk from our perspective. And I can’t stand him in reality as a UK fan. But if I’m being honest, I’d take that guy in a heartbeat at UK (era permitting). There’s no telling what Knight could have done with UK.

Just not that high on him. We will see what he does at Texas. Folks were saying the same thing about Smart and he bombed. The fact that he thinks Askew could be an all time great is a bit perplexing as well. If he meant it he can't evaluate talent levels very well, if he didn't, I'm not sure what the point was. I would think we will know in the next year or three what Beard is- next great coach or a flash in the pan.

My issue with him is that he is relatively unproven because he started as a HC at a relatively old age. We haven't seen him climb the proverbial ladder yet.
 
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KyCatFan1

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Are you Fox to Monk ? Did I say I had watched 100 games to 1 that you had ? You need to read the my post. You must be one of those guys on here that can't stand for someone having a different opinion than you do. This board is for discussing basketball not trying to diss on someone that has a different opinion than you do.
I'm not him. Just pointing out how ludicrous you are with your I'm old and seen 100 times more games than you comment. You don't have to be that old to prove your full of it with that comment. You can also have whatever opinion you want but like I said, don't come here expecting validation for your bandwagon fandom.
 
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Blueheart32

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What's wrong with that is jealousy of Gonzaga. By the way Gonzaga has gone farther in 2 of the last 4 final 4s than Calipari did with the most talented team possibly in the history of college basketball in 2015.
2015 ky was the most talented team in the history of college basketball??? Wow!! LMAO!! They weren’t even the most talented ky team in history, let alone all of college basketball!!!
 

RunninRichie

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For your information, I have watched 100 Kentucky games for everyone that you have. I am an old man and have been watching Kentucky since I was a little kid. I know more about Kentucky basketball than 95% of the people on this board. I am a retired Worker of the Commonwealth, so When I talk Kentucky basketball, I know what I am talking about. I also keep up with Gonzaga, because they play the game the way it is supposed to be played. Calipari has ruined Kentucky basketball for me. He is more worried about how many draft choices he puts out, and how much his players are making in the nba. Calipari is paid all that money to win games at Kentucky, not how much money John Wall is making. This is supposed to be a board ti discuss basketball, but there is a large portion of people on this board that can't stand it if someone has a different opinion than they do, and the jealousy of Gonzaga on this board is sickening. The fact is since 2013 Gonzaga has had a better program than Kentucky. The fact is most of Kentucky Basketball history happened in the 1940s and 50s before most of you were even on this earth. Empty seats in Rupp Arena ? Kneeling for the National Anthem, you don't think that made a difference ? Well I assure I am not tho only one that lost all respect for Calipari, because he allowed those players to do that, and no I will never get over that, and I assure you that I am not the only one that feels this way.
you know what you're talking about? UK has 4 titles and 12 final fours since 1960. You just outed yourself as a zag fan gramps
 

Rockfly78

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Just schedule a game with the Zags. Few will play anyone, anywhere, anytime. Calipari will never play Gonzaga, so you can forget about that.
Cal and few tried to add a game last year dummy.

what’s with your constant stroking of ganzaga? They are the definition of paper champion. They’ve never won ****. We are Kentucky. They want to be us. You’ve probably never even seen the zags play anyways. Their games start way past your bedtime.
 

wildcatdon

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Timme walks almost every time he makes a move in the post
He did walk a lot. Moves his pivot foot on almost every move. But I do like Gonzaga and don’t understand UK fans hating them. Timme acts like a child after every basket but he can play. I think the gate stems from them going farther than us in the tournament recently. They have fun teams to watch.
 
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KyCatFan1

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He did walk a lot. Moves his pivot foot on almost every move. But I do like Gonzaga and don’t understand UK fans hating them. Timme acts like a child after every basket but he can play. I think the gate stems from them going farther than us in the tournament recently. They have fun teams to watch.
I don't think it's hate. It's more about being tired of hearing about how good they are when they play in a weak conference that they are way superior talent wise to everyone else and then they use that easy conference schedule to get a higher seed than they probably deserve most years.

They also don't beat high seeds and get to stay out west where it tends to be easier in the tournament. They have to hang their hat on early season wins when most teams are still figuring things out and Gonzaga seems to return a lot of experience. Can they beat those same teams in March is the question.
 

Neue Regel

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Gonzaga has no choice but to play some real teams ooc if they want to get a high seed. We don't even really need to do that if we take care of business in conference but we still play one of the better ooc schedules in the country. We already play Duke, Kansas, Louisville, Notre Dame, and Ohio State to go with I believe 5 top 25 SEC games (so far). Like I said in another post, win a title and you might get invited to play in the Champions Classic and play us.

Zags have UCLA, Duke, Alabama and Texas Tech coming up so will be some good tests before they get into their league.

Lot of respect for Few, he's done everything you can do short of a National Championship. Two title games in four seasons is nothing to sneeze at.
 
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In the last 15 years, Gonzaga has beaten a total of 1 team seeded 1-3 in the big dance.

They crack when the pressure is highest.

In the two semis that they actually won, they got to play an 11 seed and a 7 seed.

They are a nice program but being a little overblown.
How dare you besmirch the mighty Zags and Mark Few.
 
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Are you Fox to Monk ? Did I say I had watched 100 games to 1 that you had ? You need to read the my post. You must be one of those guys on here that can't stand for someone having a different opinion than you do. This board is for discussing basketball not trying to diss on someone that has a different opinion than you do.
Oh the irony that you would say that when you said I know nothing about basketball and called me insanely jealous because I don't agree with your opinion on Holmgren being the best player in his class.