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SEC could target UNC for expansion
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As much as I dislike ND, if they did join the SEC, the best part would be how much it would upset IU fans.
Here's the latest university rankings. UNC tied for 5th in Public Universities.
$1.16 Billion in research annually, 10th in Federal Research, 13th largest research University
Kenan-Flagler is a top business school. UNC Law is a top law school. UNC School of Medicine is responsible for the majority of the research quoted above.
So yes, the B1G would value the inter-conference academic opportunities that would be gained from adding UNC (and Virginia too.)
The Big Ten will not pursue Clemson or Florida State. In part because they’re academic snobs and consider schools without AAU academic status to be beneath them, and also because the Big Ten is now looking westward.
I think, if the Big Ten expands to 20, it’ll do so by adding more West Coast schools like Oregon, Stanford, Cal or Washington …to go along with UCLA and USC …so that it can seize total control of the West Coast media markets.
That is, of course, unless they finally convince Notre Dame to give up football independence. ND is the giant plum they’ve been waiting on for years.
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Oh wow look at you, bragging about UNC academics while we’re focusing on the basketball programs
. That’s absolutely amazing. I mean truly. LMAOAnd don’t forget, UNC has the nation’s #1 fake AFAM program.
Got any links for the 20 plus years they committed academic fraud or nah?
Go sell crazy somewhere else
All contracts leave room for an out especially long term contracts that deal with revenue. If a school wants out of their contract, they will find a way. If the SEC comes knocking, they will listen.
It’s hard for us to understand because we don’t have that relationship with our rival. I think UNC has more respect for Duke than we do for UofL. At least that is how it seems. If UofL ceased to exist tomorrow, we wouldn’t shed a tear, but if Duke disappeared, then the whole Tobacco Road/greatest college basketball rivalry thing that UNC hangs its hat on goes out the window.
Funny that UNC and Duke are so joined at the hip. UK doesn’t have or need that kind of symbiotic relationship with anyone.
Just another reason why we are better than UNC.
Lol, no. Here is the language that’s in the agreement:
Clearly the grant of rights contemplates a school being able to fulfill its obligations even if it leaves the conference. The ACC doesn’t get to go grab the SEC or Big Ten payout for the exiting school.
Duh, I’m in Raleigh.
But unless it’s Bama vs UGA football, the Raleigh market is not going to watch SEC games, they are going to watch NC ST, or even UNC (because State fans are obsessed with them), or Clemson football or Duke basketball.
But you put NC St in the SEC and then those millions will watch SEC games, but right now they are not.
Despite the fake classes scandal, UNCheat is actually a pretty good (liberal arts) school, with some strong sciences programs (i.e. Biostats).
Before the scandal they were a Top 20 university in the country, and one of the top public ones.
UNC has always been a high academics school. Too bad they sacrificed their soul for sports.
Not if the ACC dissolves first.
UNC is an AAU school? What in the **** does that mean? If you are talking about grades to play, you are most certainly right. McCants was on the freaking Deans list people without ever attending a class. Lol. AAU program.
Nobody in America today wants to see anybody tied with a Liberal anything.
I’ve said for a year and a half this is what’s going to happen. Can’t believe I had people argue me on this.
The SEC is likely going to take UNC, UVA, VT, and Fla St.
Duke cannot come into the SEC Kentucky would absolutely block it as would Vandy and probably at minimum Tennessee. They have no path.
UNC could demand they are attached and look to the BIG10. Again, don’t see it. UNC was really disrespected by Duke of late (acting like they’re not only equals but that UNC is beneath them. Duke has grown to arrogant, and I think UNC is going to be ready to become the flagship they’ve always been. This is their chance to bury Duke for good and I think they do.
Duke only has a few options to survive because the ACC is going up in smoke 100%.
1. SEC takes Duke - not happening in a million years.
2. UNC turns the SEC down, goes BIG10, and the BIG10 Agrees to take Duke at their request - I think there’s around a 5% chance that could happen.
3. The BIG10 wants Duke anyway - no way in hell.
Duke is about to find out what happens to basketball only schools during realignment. If you think about it, it makes perfect sense. Duke is not a power 4 program. Their football is closer to UConn than Vanderbilt, they’re one of the worst histoeically, and they cannot even pull a head coach with credentials.
Duke is about to become UConn. This is how they’re going to die.
The SEC is likely going to take UNC, UVA, VT, and Fla St.
Duke cannot come into the SEC Kentucky would absolutely block it as would Vandy and probably at minimum Tennessee. They have no path.
UNC could demand they are attached and look to the BIG10. Again, don’t see it. UNC was really disrespected by Duke of late (acting like they’re not only equals but that UNC is beneath them. Duke has grown to arrogant, and I think UNC is going to be ready to become the flagship they’ve always been. This is their chance to bury Duke for good and I think they do.
Duke only has a few options to survive because the ACC is going up in smoke 100%.
1. SEC takes Duke - not happening in a million years.
2. UNC turns the SEC down, goes BIG10, and the BIG10 Agrees to take Duke at their request - I think there’s around a 5% chance that could happen.
3. The BIG10 wants Duke anyway - no way in hell.
Duke is about to find out what happens to basketball only schools during realignment. If you think about it, it makes perfect sense. Duke is not a power 4 program. Their football is closer to UConn than Vanderbilt, they’re one of the worst histoeically, and they cannot even pull a head coach with credentials.
Duke is about to become UConn. This is how they’re going to die.
I don’t think it’s true anymore. Anyone who watches last year could clearly see UNC is irritated that Duke is now pushing a message that they’re not even equals, but that Duke is above.
I think UNC is ready to put Duke down because their image has suffered due to Duke promoting themselves the flagship. This might be the time UNC says let’s bury them and move on, reclaiming ourselves as the dominant program and university in this state. UNC is prideful, and I don’t think they need that rivalry especially if they go the the SEC. Kentucky vs. UNC could be a massive draw for the future.
I think Duke is about to become UCONN. My post above outlines what I’ve said will happen for going on two years. There is just little chance their football program is going to be able to sell power 4. They’re going to be turned down.
They tried to put a lot of money into football recently and it didn’t go anywhere. Pitiful attendance, laughable upgrades, and they couldn’t even pull a coach with a pedigree. Cutcliff couodnt even maintain a decent team after giving them more than they’ve ever had. Forced into retirement.
No power4 is going to take that. None of them need the academics they want the football. And Duke football hurts your conference.
Get ready to bust the popcorn. Lots of tshirts are about to be returned to Walmart.
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What I love is being on the inside watching everyone else try to get into the SEC or Big 10. So glad UK is a charter member of the SEC. As long as the SEC exists, we are sitting pretty.
Oh it’s a great feeling. And with programs in the ACC knowing the need to get in, and watching the ACC media homers talking about “joining together” lol. It’s awesome.
Bilas is shitting his pants because he knows Duke is f’d unless UNC goes BIG10 and wants them to go with them. It’s a small chance though, he knows it. That’s why he’s screaming for the SEC to “join” the ACC. They all know what’s coming.
Watching Duke turn to UConn is going to be my favorite moment in sports. Right directly in front of watching UT fans realize Manning didn’t win the heisman, and the 2008 Memphis title game collapse.
No but population absolutely matters and if you can’t tell NC State has become the #1 largest fan base in the state of North Carolina I dunno what to tell you.
Sorry your cheater school and nerdy rivals are gonna struggle to survive the realignment.
Apparently AFAM was a complete joke even without the cheating. Jan Boxill's husband was an AFAM professor who once wrote that his students got whatever grade they wanted. All they had to do was ask. He didn't believe that students needed to work for anything. UNC will always be a joke in my mind.
So whatever they signed says they forfeit just ACC revenue correct? I’d assume if they went to the SEC that revenue sharing would more than makeup for those losses, or does it state that where ever they move the ACC collects on the revenue that they would receive from the new conference? I’m sure attorneys that make way more than me would figure a way out of it. Probably come to some kind of settlement offer.
He doesn’t know the answer. The answer is the exiting school would still have their home games broadcasted according to the ACC-ESPN agreement. As a non-member, they would not receive an ACC distribution.
Basically, it creates a big hurdle because the exiting team cannot use their media rights to create value for the new conference. It makes the school much less attractive.
But the money for top level Big Ten and SEC games is so immense that it doesn’t take much to imagine a deal that is mutually beneficial.
Playing twice a year waters down a rivalry? Did you really just say that about the greatest rivalry in college basketball? So you think if UNC and dook didn't play a home-and-home every season, their rivalry would somehow get bigger than it already is?
LMAO
You still haven't been man enough to admit what BS classes UK used to keep Sasha Killeya Jones eligible. But go on throwing stones in your glass house.
Except schools don't have souls, and UNC is still considered one of the top Public Universities in the country. No amount of trash talking on sports messageboards will ever change that, which I'm sure is hard for you to accept.
Here you go sweetie. Let me know if there is anything else I can help you Google.
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You think NC State has the largest fan base in NC?
Bwahahahahahahahaha
You can not possibly be serious. Tell me you were drunk when you typed that. Tell me someone stole your account and posted that to troll you. Don't tell me a person with a functioning brain posted that because they actually believe it.
NC State, the school who hasn't won a conference title in any major sports in 30 years, has the the #1 fan base in NC??? The school that fans are ashamed to support because of a 30 year streak of futility, and consistently awful athletics department decisions? That NC State? LOL
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Thw SEC is just beginning the process of absorbing Texas and Oklahoma, which will not be complete for another couple of years. Although there will be additional expansion at some point, it is premature now to guess which schools will be involved.
The Big 12 is destined to fall apart or else become a less important conference. The Pac 12 is a already falling apart. The SEC probably cannot take teams from the Pac 12, but it seems inevitable that some Big 12 teams will move to the SEC. I will not speculate about which, but that seems obvious.
The ACC still has a chance to remake itself and remain a major conference. I will not speculate on the chances, but I can see a path forward for the ACC if they have the collective will to make it happen. In that case, UNC, Duke, Florida State, and Clemson would be the linchpins holding the conference together and guiding it forward. They would need to add a couple of strong football schools, but there are possibilities if the Big 12 falls apart and if they could finally close their partial deal with Notre Dame. I am not going to guess whether it will or won't happen. But if it does, UNC would have to be one of the driving forces.
Thanks. Surprised you could read it.Here you go sweetie. Let me know if there is anything else I can help you Google.
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and quit sexually harassing me. You wish and not in your dreams buddy.
You didn't know what AAU schools are, didn't know how to look it up, and you question my literacy level?
Liberal arts is sure in need nowadays....sarcasm intended
#1 please enlighten us, as I haven’t seen this documented anywhere.
#2 are you really comparing one scrub player who later transferred to 20+ years of fake classes for All-Americans, orchestrated by two Hall of Fame coaches?
#3 Even *IF* UK or other schools had been up to similar shenanigans all these years, the only relevant fact is UNC got CAUGHT and nobody else did.
#4 If you didn’t continue to tout your allegedly superior academics, this would largely be a moot point. But you just can’t help the “our **** doesn’t stink” attitude. It’s ingrained in you as a UNC fan/alum.
The Carolina Way baby!!! Dean was a f*ing FRAUD, and his entire coach/player tree now wears a big mark of shame. But keep living in your dream world, plugging your ears and going “la la la la” like Lloyd Christmas.
You didn't know what AAU schools are, didn't know how to look it up, and you question my literacy level?
What BA degree are you getting from UNC?
kerwin might be the only person in existence who believes nothing will happen to the ACC for a decade. Even Louisville fans realize the reality, which is why they're crapping bricks on TOS. Indications seem to be that ND will make a decision soon and they'll choose the B10. All bets are off and the race is on to grab teams after that very arrogant domino falls. And not to defend Ed, but he wasn't starting an argument. There's two conferences who hold all the cards right now and the SEC is one of them. In most cases at this point, if the SEC wants a school, that school is going to accept and reap the rewards. I mean really, what school is going to be dumb enough to say "No thanks." to the SEC now?
For once you are right. NC St is not the biggest fan base in NC.
I would estimate it:
40% UNC
25% NC St
10% Duke
5% Wake Forest
5% ECU
5% others (UNCW Charlotte App St etc..)
I know there is 10% left, spread those around equally
If I were you, I wouldn't be bragging about UNC when it comes to academics. Just google academic scandals. Guess what comes up? Yep, you're right. The university of North Carolina comes up. I don't see how it could get any worse. For a UNC tar heel to try & tell us how much that they care about academics. Would be like Ted Bundy telling us how much he cared about women.