SEC could target UNC for expansion
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I think Arizona , Arizona state makes the most sense . They could b in a west pod or division with Texas and Oklahoma . Huge , huge , huge TV market .
Getting a piece of that West Coast (I know Arizona isn’t exactly West Coast) is a good idea.
Hell if that's the goal take arizona, washington, oregon and maybe colorado. Im not sure taking cal or Stanford is worth it as no one in california cades about them.
I think the ACC would remain it just wouldn’t be what it is today. Sort of like the Big East. They’d lose Clemson ( meant to put Clemson in my original post above they’re SEC bound unless something goes against them) UVA, VT, Fla St, probably also Miami (could see them pac12) and they’d then invite programs left out. I could see Kansas, Duke, UConn, forming some kind of new basketball league in the ACC. I know Kansas thinks they’re going to remain Big12 and form a new conference and remain elite but it’s not happening that’s why the top dogs are leaving. There is going to be a lot of movement and conference morphing over the next 10 years.
Please no. We don’t need it and I don’t want trash west coast bs in the SEC. It doesn’t fit we have the ability to remain traditional and form our own path and that’s what we need to do. Missouri and Oklahoma are far enough west and still make geographical sense. I mean 1/4 of the state of Missouri is a southern area. West, Tn where I live is 20 minutes from the state line. Hayti Missouri makes Kentucky towns look like Michiganders. It’s as traditional southern in culture as it gets.
We need to remain the trademark southern conference and stick to our own culture. You start talking oregons and washingtons and none of this makes any sense at all.
If we do that, there won’t eventually be an SEC. It will be professionalized and we’ll have an East and West only division within 40 years. It’ll resemble the NBA.
I don’t think WVU brings enough to the table and we don’t really need the market. Kentucky and Virginia / VT will already take soak it up. I don’t see the SEC ever extending to WVU.
The more I think about, the more westward expansion sounds like the move to make by both conferences. Split the PAC 12 up first then worry about taking apart the ACC in 2036, if they want.
The B1G is going to expand coast to coast. I can see Washington and Oregon joining soon too. They’re the next top programs on the West Coast after the LA teams. East Coast/West Coast either way the SEC can’t be on it’s heels about expansion. Adding Texas and Oklahoma was great but not enough if the B1G gets UCLA, USC , Oregon, Washington and Notre Dame
I don’t like it either but that’s the way it’s going. The B1G is now a national conference and the SEC needs to stay in the race. Grab up some west coast teams (Arizona, Arizona State, Utah) and if the ACC explodes the best of them too
While I agree that it would be absurd having Oregon for instance in the SEC, I think you're taking this a bit too personal. "trash west coast bs"? "remain traditional"? "traditional southern in culture"? "our own culture"? It's a college sports league. They ain't gonna invade the southeast and make you vote differently. Again, it is absurd, but now that West Coast teams will be in the B10, all bets are off and it is what it is. I just find the hatred for parts of our country fascinating. I mean, "trash west coast bs". C'mon. Reminds me of Louisville fans mocking the rest of the state like they're so much better.
They do if they wanna watch real football. Real football fans should understand true football. How do people live their lives watching B1G, ACC, Big 12, PAC 12, etc. football? How do people live like that?
Typical UNC Teflon arrogance.
“Schools don’t have souls”.
So, you think it’s ok for UNC to do what they did? You all came this close (and I mean within a hair’s breadth) to losing your accreditation and should have in my opinion, but what do I know I’m just a dumbass hick from west Kentucky.
Accept that you all cheated your *** off first. Then maybe you’ll have earned some credibility back.
Not a word of it was political. I mean the entire mantra of the SEC is about tradition. We have a sports culture in the south that no one else has. We don’t need the west coast it makes no sense and it doesn’t fit.
I never like west coast teams in any sport. I like the east coast. So if I was being political I sure wouldn’t add New York as tolerable lol. I don’t like west coast teams. Cardinals fan, hate the Dodgers, despise the Rams, loathe the Trailblazers, respect the Yankees, don’t mind the Magic, tip the hat to New England. My teams are all basically in the East. Kentucky, STL Cardinals, Heat, Bucs, Blues. San Diego is a conservative place out west I don’t like them. Utah is conservative I hate the Utes. I’m a fan that likes my area and region. I always pull for the eastern most US teams in championships unless it’s one of the usual suspects I can’t root for like UT or Atlanta, Cleveland etc. I’ll hope Arizona beats Duke for the championship of course. There are limits. But no on west coast teams in the SEC.
Not surprised you took it as political and not surprised UK90 of course liked your post because he does what he does. He’s becoming a parody at this point. I hope it triggered the hell out of him. Say “I’ll be back” in Arnold’s voice and watch him seizure out it’s great.
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16 is a great number for a league. Perfect for football. Two 8 team divisions or four 4 team divisions. It’s perfect.
At what point does expansion end? Is 20 enough or 24 or 32?
At what point does expansion end? Is 20 enough or 24 or 32?
Its more than likely going to end at an east / west league similar to the NBA. It’s going to take some time but eventually the NCAA and is going to dissolve and it’ll be a east west league ran by the teams themselves.
https://www.tigernet.com/clemson-fo...son-in-acc-trio-considered-for-sec-move-40339
Is there any doubt, that one day Clemson & Florida State will be members of the SEC.
Is there any doubt, that one day Clemson & Florida State will be members of the SEC.
If Notre Dame says no to the Big 10, the Big 10 and SEC should stand pat at 16 each. The Big 10/SEC playoff would determine the real football national champion. I like that idea. Basketball could remain the same.
Some kinda body would have to oversee that though right? A commissioner or something.
With all the UNC hate on this board I’m surprised there’s not more love for Bill Self. He’s 4-0 against them in the Tourney, earning the nickname “The Carolina Killer”. Obv the title game in April but also a FF game in 08, and an EE game in 12. He may have stopped 2 more titles for them
If he wasn’t the hero we deserved he was the one we needed
If he wasn’t the hero we deserved he was the one we needed
The universities are going to oversee themselves. This is why I was never in favor of “likeness. A scholarship is either enough or go play somewhere else. Once you open these boxes they never stop and the slope is very slippery. This was always a grievance only for profit and there will be unions forming soon. And after all of that people just say “well there’s nothing we can do”. Yea, we could have said no to begin with and stood against it.
In this country you either reject certain change or get ready for the entire system to collapse and rebuild. Everyone seems to think there’s a middle ground and there isn’t one.
College Sports will end up competing with the professional leagues similar to the AFL or ABA. I doubt they will end up connected to universities at all.
Self is just as big of a pos as anyone at UNC. He should have both titles stripped if all was fair. Not sure why you would think we would like him here.
I mean I guess. But he’s still a pos and a cheater who should have it stripped anyway.
The best result is Kansas wins and then pays for cheating and loses the title.
UNC doesn’t have 7 titles.
Let these fools say they have 7 titles. We will just say we have 15 titles to their 7. http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/Statistics/TeamHelmsTitles.html
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They would’ve if they’d won in April. And the 8th title is the hypothetical one they *may* have pulled off in 08 or 12. I doubt they beat Memphis/Kentucky those years but nobody, nobody should put anything past this tourney. They had no business whatsoever winning 2017 IMO but, they did
Also let’s talk about Coach K. Self beat him his only tourney matchup 2018 EE. If not K has two wins to get his 6th title. Doubt he beats Nova…..but if he did he’s easily beating the winner of Michigan-Loyola Chicago
The KU board is that way. ——>
Instead of thinking one (expansion) step at a time, I'm thinking bigger picture. Super-expansion. 32 school super conference. Four 8-school divisions.
In football you play each school in your division once, and 1 other conference game. The 4 division winners do a 2 weekend championship. Could even have the four 2nd place teams also play their own 2 weekend mini-tourny.
In basketball you play home&home vs each school in your division, and then 2 schools from each of the other 3 divisions, so every 4 years you play each team in other division.
My proposed 32 schools are below, trying to ensure most schools have a nearby "rival".
Appalachian division- UK, UVA, Va Tech, UNC, NC St, UT, Vandy, ?
Gulf division- LSU, Miss, Miss St, Alab, Aub, Ark, Missou, Okl
Desert division- Ariz, Ariz St, Oregon, Wash, TAMU, Texas, Baylor, ?
Coastal division - USC, Clemson, UGA, Ga Tech, UF, FSU, Miami, Cent FLA
Still needs 2 schools, candidates:
- Duke, not offer much in football (but better than Vandy), and same market as UNC and NC St except oddly adds NJ market
- UL, overlap w/ UK market, but does give UK a rival
- Cincy, same as UL
- WV, very spread out market (no big city), a bit distant to be UK or Va Tech rival
- Colorado
- Oregon St
- Wash St
- Stanford, big market but do they really care
In football you play each school in your division once, and 1 other conference game. The 4 division winners do a 2 weekend championship. Could even have the four 2nd place teams also play their own 2 weekend mini-tourny.
In basketball you play home&home vs each school in your division, and then 2 schools from each of the other 3 divisions, so every 4 years you play each team in other division.
My proposed 32 schools are below, trying to ensure most schools have a nearby "rival".
Appalachian division- UK, UVA, Va Tech, UNC, NC St, UT, Vandy, ?
Gulf division- LSU, Miss, Miss St, Alab, Aub, Ark, Missou, Okl
Desert division- Ariz, Ariz St, Oregon, Wash, TAMU, Texas, Baylor, ?
Coastal division - USC, Clemson, UGA, Ga Tech, UF, FSU, Miami, Cent FLA
Still needs 2 schools, candidates:
- Duke, not offer much in football (but better than Vandy), and same market as UNC and NC St except oddly adds NJ market
- UL, overlap w/ UK market, but does give UK a rival
- Cincy, same as UL
- WV, very spread out market (no big city), a bit distant to be UK or Va Tech rival
- Colorado
- Oregon St
- Wash St
- Stanford, big market but do they really care
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You think they wait until 2036? The buy out is peanuts compared to what they will get. They train 50 mill for north of 100 mill. I’m betting things will be drastically different by 2024. Probably at least 20 per sec and B1G.
I’m laughing at some of the names in this post … Xavier (who doesn’t even play football), UCF, UL, Oregon State, WSU, etc. …boy, you’re willing to let just about anybody into our special club.
I’m not sure you quite understand the point of this conference expansion game.
I admittedly don't know football as well as some. So my bad on Xavier.
UCF is in the #1 or #2 football prospect richest state in the country, and is becoming a football fixture in rankings.
UL has had football success.
OSU and WSU, only as thoughts to give Oregon or Wash a close "rival", and a stronger foothold on the West Coast.
The expansion game is about TV money, and expanding your market.
It’s easy really. The B1G went after markets in 2014. They also want strong research too. It’s a staggering amount of money involved. The B1G not only strengthened the conference they are financially set. The SEC went after football powers mostly. Both will be just fine. More than one way to do things.
In a system where members split conference revenues equally, the goal is to only add schools that will increase the average share of the pie. Adding teams that don’t carry their weight in terms of revenue generating factors (such as fan base size, TV viewership, adding new media markets, merchandising etc.), would instead serve as a net drag on that share.
From UK’s financial perspective, this means we ideally want teams that bring more to the table than us, not less. Yet you just suggested a whole bunch of schools that offer less.
Yes, a school like UCF has done really well in football in recent years, but they still have no real fan base outside of central Florida (how often do you see people wearing UCF gear?), they don’t draw high TV viewership, and they offer no new territory that UF doesn’t already have thoroughly covered. That ain’t at all what the SEC is looking for.
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There's no real reason for the SEC to want to get to 20 teams. Conceivably, adding two more after Oklahoma and Texas would be enough if they are the right two programs. A 18 team SEC would most likely still outperform a 20 team B1G. Plus, individual slices of the pie would be larger for each school.
However, for the sake of argument let's think this through. The general consensus is that Notre Dame will eventually cave and join the B1G. They are the biggest prize as far as TV viewership and brand recognition goes. Geographically they should already have been a B1G member.
UNCheat could go either way but, their AAU status makes them more attractive to the B1G so, let's assume they end up there. That move is stipulated on UNCheat being willing to break that crazy GoR agreement.
So, the logical first two additions to the SEC are Clemson and Florida State. Both have huge fanbases, national brand status and geographical affiliation. Plus, both have a instate rival already in the SEC. I can see Florida trying to stop FSU from gaining admittance but, in the end it'll be TAMU vs. Texas all over again and the SEC Commish will negotiate things behind the scenes.
If the SEC is absolutely hell bent on a 20 team league, they have to go after Virginia Tech IMO. They would bring a huge, rabid fanbase and built in rivalries with FSU and Clemson. UVA wouldn't work because of the school's academic commitment and smallish footprint. Miami is a unknown. Playing in a NFL town and having very little on field success over the last decade has greatly diminished their brand status. So, that leaves one other spot.
Most likely it would be NC State due to population but, another dark horse might be Pittsburgh. Even though it's a NFL town Pitt would bring a solid blue collar fanbase and a larger market. But, perhaps most importantly it offers the SEC a beach head in B1G country. Pitt would be a interesting choice.
FYI, to those not taking UCF seriously, that school is poised to have the largest alumni of any school in the eastern part of the US very soon. In 10 years we might look back at all this realignment and wonder why the SEC didn't make a move for UCF!
However, for the sake of argument let's think this through. The general consensus is that Notre Dame will eventually cave and join the B1G. They are the biggest prize as far as TV viewership and brand recognition goes. Geographically they should already have been a B1G member.
UNCheat could go either way but, their AAU status makes them more attractive to the B1G so, let's assume they end up there. That move is stipulated on UNCheat being willing to break that crazy GoR agreement.
So, the logical first two additions to the SEC are Clemson and Florida State. Both have huge fanbases, national brand status and geographical affiliation. Plus, both have a instate rival already in the SEC. I can see Florida trying to stop FSU from gaining admittance but, in the end it'll be TAMU vs. Texas all over again and the SEC Commish will negotiate things behind the scenes.
If the SEC is absolutely hell bent on a 20 team league, they have to go after Virginia Tech IMO. They would bring a huge, rabid fanbase and built in rivalries with FSU and Clemson. UVA wouldn't work because of the school's academic commitment and smallish footprint. Miami is a unknown. Playing in a NFL town and having very little on field success over the last decade has greatly diminished their brand status. So, that leaves one other spot.
Most likely it would be NC State due to population but, another dark horse might be Pittsburgh. Even though it's a NFL town Pitt would bring a solid blue collar fanbase and a larger market. But, perhaps most importantly it offers the SEC a beach head in B1G country. Pitt would be a interesting choice.
FYI, to those not taking UCF seriously, that school is poised to have the largest alumni of any school in the eastern part of the US very soon. In 10 years we might look back at all this realignment and wonder why the SEC didn't make a move for UCF!
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