Poor Willis; Great Effort

Ben101er

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While I agree that we would have been totally useless offensively without Willis, he played horrible defense, and at the end of the game, twice KU players took rebounds out of his hands and made baskets. Hawkins played well and Willis shot well, other than that, this game doesn't have many bright spots.
 
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Aike

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That was one play. How many bad passes did Fox make? Willis was a net positive by far.

One has nothing to do with the other. I didn't say Fox played well.

I said that Willis made a losing play at a critical time, as he is wont to do.

And it wasn't the only poor play he had. But I'm glad he shot well. That's what he's on the floor to do.
 

Aike

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He was our best player tonight. He made a mistake or two but knocking him vs the other underachievers is a stretch.

I didn't compare him to anyone else. You guys are doing that.

I'm just pointing out that he made mistakes that contributed to us losing.

A three point shooter hitting wide open shots in a six point loss doesn't excite me.
 

awf

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One has nothing to do with the other. I didn't say Fox played well.

I said that Willis made a losing play at a critical time, as he is wont to do.

And it wasn't the only poor play he had. But I'm glad he shot well. That's what he's on the floor to do.

You are just parroting what the game announcers said. Anyone is a fool to blame Willis for the loss.
 

jc2010

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You are just parroting what the game announcers said. Anyone is a fool to blame Willis for the loss.
This game was lost in the first half when those super stars reverted to AAU ball instead of stretching the lead.
 

CHAMPCAT11

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I didn't compare him to anyone else. You guys are doing that.

I'm just pointing out that he made mistakes that contributed to us losing.

A three point shooter hitting wide open shots in a six point loss doesn't excite me.

I get it and I apologize if I offended you. But Fox throwing it to the the other team 3-4 times with lazy *** passes doesn't excite me either. Willis has always caught too much sh*t. His defense is poor but his good outweighs his bad IMO. He played really well today and everybody says he disappears in big games. Not true.
 
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Aike

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You are just parroting what the game announcers said. Anyone is a fool to blame Willis for the loss.

I'm not a bird. I watched the game. We had no margin for error down 5 late. We had to have a stop.

We got the stop, but Willis didn't block out. Sealed the loss.

We lost for a lot of reasons, and that was one of them.
 
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Aike

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I get it and I apologize if I offended you. But Fox throwing it to the the other team 3-4 times with lazy *** passes doesn't excite me either. Willis has always caught too much sh*t. His defense is poor but his good outweighs his bad IMO. He played really well today and everybody says he disappears in big games. Not true.

I'm not offended. This thread was about Willis. That's why I was talking about Willis.

No, Fox didn't play well. Lots of blame to go around in this one.
 

sluggercatfan

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Wilis shot well. He also gave up a critical offensive rebound to Jackson to push it from 5 to 7 late.

That was a losing play. You can't advance far when your Seniors make plays like that.
You can't be serious...Fox's *** should have been on the bench the entire second half.
 
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Aike

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You can't be serious...Fox's *** should have been on the bench the entire second half.

Somebody else bringing up Fox when I didn't. Considering the source, can't say I'm shocked.

Did the thread title change? Is this about Fox and I missed it?
 

sluggercatfan

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Somebody else bringing up Fox when I didn't. Considering the source, can't say I'm shocked.

Did the thread title change? Is this about Fox and I missed it?
Yea right...outside the fact that without DW and DH you want to blame him not getting a particular rebond costing us the game...guess I will just consider the source. Pathetic.
 
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Aike

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Yea right...outside the fact that without DW and DH you want to blame him not getting a particular rebond costing us the game...guess I will just consider the source. Pathetic.

Did he get the rebound? Did I say it cost of us the game?

It contributed. And it wasn't the first time. It's pretty frustrating. For normal basketball fans, at least.
 

Ugoff

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Somebody else bringing up Fox when I didn't. Considering the source, can't say I'm shocked.

Did the thread title change? Is this about Fox and I missed it?
I brought up Fox, not to compare but to make a point. People were crediting Willis on a good game. To jump in and point out 1 lapse is going out of your way a bit, considering the shat game others played.
 
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Aike

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I brought up Fox, not to compare but to make a point. People were crediting Willis on a good game. To jump in and point out 1 lapse is going out of your way a bit, considering the shat game others played.

I pointed out one, but there were others. I don't really think a Senior who makes critical mistakes like he does should be heaped with praise.

I'm glad he shot well. We needed it. But we also need him to secure rebounds.

Let me just say that if I hit a bunch of threes, then gave up a key rebound and putback late In a 6 point loss, I wouldn't feel like I had a good game.

I've played with a few guys who couldn't wait to check the box score to see how many threes they hit, no matter how the game went. I thought they were all losers.
 

Chuckinden

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While I agree that we would have been totally useless offensively without Willis, he played horrible defense, and at the end of the game, twice KU players took rebounds out of his hands and made baskets. Hawkins played well and Willis shot well, other than that, this game doesn't have many bright spots.

He didn't play horrible defense and now you say he let KU players take "two" rebounds out of his hands. You are wrong about that too. I only saw one at the end where he was blocking out the man and the ball came sharply off the rim and glanced off his hands. He was busy blocking out and wasn't ready for the quick ball off the rim.

Watch the replay.
 

Chuckinden

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I pointed out one, but there were others. I don't really think a Senior who makes critical mistakes like he does should be heaped with praise.

I'm glad he shot well. We needed it. But we also need him to secure rebounds.

Let me just say that if I hit a bunch of threes, then gave up a key rebound and putback late In a 6 point loss, I wouldn't feel like I had a good game.

I've played with a few guys who couldn't wait to check the box score to see how many threes they hit, no matter how the game went. I thought they were all losers.

He had six rebounds.
 

Ugoff

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I pointed out one, but there were others. I don't really think a Senior who makes critical mistakes like he does should be heaped with praise.

I'm glad he shot well. We needed it. But we also need him to secure rebounds.

Let me just say that if I hit a bunch of threes, then gave up a key rebound and putback late In a 6 point loss, I wouldn't feel like I had a good game.

I've played with a few guys who couldn't wait to check the box score to see how many threes they hit, no matter how the game went. I thought they were all losers.
I'm speechless.
 

Aike

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He had six rebounds.

Ok. He repeatedly makes mistakes that no senior should make.

He had a chance to grab a rebound against Vandy that would have sealed the game. Let a guy fly past him from the three point line for a putback.

I mentioned it at the time, just like I mentioned this one. No one cared that day, because we won the game.

The guy makes way too many losing plays for it to be a fluke. I hope he sharpens up, but it's probably too much to expect at this point in his career.

As long as he keeps knocking down open threes, he will help us. But we need him to stop making stupid mistakes.

And no, he isn't the only one making mistakes. But he is the subject of this thread, as well as our most experienced player.
 

Chuckinden

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Ok. He repeatedly makes mistakes that no senior should make.

He had a chance to grab a rebound against Vandy that would have sealed the game. Let a guy fly past him from the three point line for a putback.

I mentioned it at the time, just like I mentioned this one. No one cared that day, because we won the game.

The guy makes way too many losing plays for it to be a fluke. I hope he sharpens up, but it's probably too much to expect at this point in his career.

As long as he keeps knocking down open threes, he will help us. But we need him to stop making stupid mistakes.

And no, he isn't the only one making mistakes. But he is the subject of this thread, as well as our most experienced player.

Have you watched the other players as much as you watch Willis. I think you would see they all make mistakes, seniors or not.
 
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