OT: UFOs

RU4Real

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lol....all these nutty theories and no mention of the most obvious and obviously correct one: faster than light travel is impossible, thus the distances are too great for civilizations to ever encounter each other. No matter how advanced a civilization is, unless they can circumvent the laws of physics as we understand them we will never meet them and vice versa except via a billion to one radio wave detection.

I believe this is arguable. Something like an Alcubierre drive, for example, is theoretically possible under general relativity but would rely on the creation of exotic matter. We can't make any of this work, now, but that doesn't mean that in some future world of unified theory it couldn't be made to work.

You also would have to acknowledge that just because superluminal travel isn't possible, now, that doesn't mean that very high speed subluminal travel isn't. There are over 100 stellar systems within 40 light years of Earth. And, of course, there's time dilation...
 
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redlinehw

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lol....all these nutty theories and no mention of the most obvious and obviously correct one: faster than light travel is impossible, thus the distances are too great for civilizations to ever encounter each other. No matter how advanced a civilization is, unless they can circumvent the laws of physics as we understand them we will never meet them and vice versa except via a billion to one radio wave detection.

Many years ago transatlantic travel by steamship was thought to be impossible because the amount of coal needed to make the trip would sink the ship!
 

ScarletDave

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It’s possible there are other life forms but they may not exist during the same timeline. If the universe truly goes on forever in time, Humans have only existed for 400,000 years, the analogy is like if the universe was born on New Year’s Day, today is midnight 1 year later, humans started to exist at 11:59:59 on Dec 31st .... it’s likely other civilizations came and long destroyed themselves or each other in the time before humans.

Are we really that advanced? Look around. We still build our houses out of wood and clay, just fancier designs than cavemen. Our infrastructure, roads and power and telephone lines, are made of rocks, and trees standing up out of the ground. The bottom 30% of humanity lives in huts or tiny villages still. We are no where “advanced”
 

RU Cheese

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I don't understand why, in the first video, the pursuit aircraft is in a permanent left bank.

Also - that video is almost identical to one that was released a couple of years ago. I can't, on the surface, find anything to distinguish them.
Yeah, it made no sense to me either. To the point where if it wasn't a released video I would've assumed it's bogus.

Not smart enough to interpret from the screens what speed they were traveling or altitude, but could they be civilian or military drones?
 

RU Golfer

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While we are on the topic of UFO, there is a pretty good show on History called Project Blue Book if you have not seen it season 2 recently ended. If you are looking to binge watch something you may want to take a look.
 

beaced_rivals

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Finding aliens would be the best thing for the planet. Destroy religions, hopefully make us realize working as a planet would be a positive, hopefully would stop all of our fighting amongst ourselves and unite us as humans.

Or we would become some other species slaves.
W/O the last sentence ,I a,m on Board.
 
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beaced_rivals

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lol....all these nutty theories and no mention of the most obvious and obviously correct one: faster than light travel is impossible, thus the distances are too great for civilizations to ever encounter each other. No matter how advanced a civilization is, unless they can circumvent the laws of physics as we understand them we will never meet them and vice versa except via a billion to one radio wave detection.
"AS WE UNDERSTAND THEM" You nailed it.
 

NewJerseyGuy

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Finding aliens would be the best thing for the planet. Destroy religions, hopefully make us realize working as a planet would be a positive, hopefully would stop all of our fighting amongst ourselves and unite us as humans.

Or we would become some other species slaves.

How would the discovery of an alien destroy religions?
 

beaced_rivals

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I believe this is arguable. Something like an Alcubierre drive, for example, is theoretically possible under general relativity but would rely on the creation of exotic matter. We can't make any of this work, now, but that doesn't mean that in some future world of unified theory it couldn't be made to work.

You also would have to acknowledge that just because superluminal travel isn't possible, now, that doesn't mean that very high speed subluminal travel isn't. There are over 100 stellar systems within 40 light years of Earth. And, of course, there's time dilation...
Haven't a clue what you are talking about ,BUT I like it..
 

wheezer

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How many camera phones on the planet? Still waiting
for the first picture/video of aliens and their spacecraft.

there are plenty of cell phone videos of UFO's out there now..... most of them are just lights in the sky, some making very unusual moves, etc, but many would be tough to explain away

if you were to watch "paranormal caught on camera"
they usually have at least one per episode...
 

RUScrew85

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At that speed and bank angle, it would have been at least a full 360. If we're to believe that, then the UFO was literally flying circles around the fighter, but that isn't revealed in any of the narratives.

I don't remember exactly but I think the heading was at the top of the HUD - so I think that would indicate the degree or number of of the circles executed.
 

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Forget where I saw it, but read someone joking on twitter, that the aliens likely to make contact on Earth aren't likely to be the working class "nice guys", it's going to be the aholes who used up all the resources on their home planet.

You probably are remembering the thoughts of the late Stephen Hawking who believed collecting intel and staying quiet would be the best way to approach such a situation:

https://www.newsweek.com/stephen-ha...-aliens-theory-ufo-search-breakthrough-844920
 

RUScrew85

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A few thoughts

1.--I never understood why people think it would destroy religion. It says god made us in his own image and that would still be true. And we also "know" that god created other animals so maybe he created them also. I don't remember it saying we are the only intelligent life form.

2.--just from a mathematical perspective there has to be other life forms out there. billions of stars, with billions of planets, the math is as close to 100% as you can get.

3--the odds of us finding someone is pretty remote and even if we did would we know we did. Just think of how far we have come in the last 10,000 years from caveman to now, and now image a species 1 million times older than us. We are a middle age galaxy, there are thousands of galaxies much much older than ours. We probably wouldn't even register on there radar as intelligent life.

There's an awful lot that has to go right for intelligent life we would recognize to get a start and hang on. I think there's a few out there but not many. As for plants animals and bugs and stuff, I think that stuff is likely just about everywhere. Seems the building blocks of life are common in space. As far as crazy types of intelligent life - who knows because who knows what their environments would be like.
 

DJ Spanky

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It's not MrsScrew - she rides a broom.

I hope your lady has a sense of humor. My wife just rolls her eyes at this point when I ask her where she is going anytime she picks up a broom :Wink:
We keep a broom in the car when it snows as it makes it much easier to brush snow off the car when you're parked somewhere. I sometimes tell my better half: "Hey, it's emergency transportation if you break down!"
 

RUScrew85

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Humanity would be united for about a half a day before it was completely wiped from existence. Any species technologically advanced enough to cross the unfathomable distances of interstellar space would annihilate us at will. Aliens would have no reason use us as slaves.

Maybe keep a couple of us as pets or in a zoo.
 
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How would the discovery of an alien destroy religions?
Because all religions were created by humans, for humans, with basically zero knowledge of the workings of the universe.

Science has demonstrated that a creator is not necessary to have a universe, or multiple universes.

And although we haven't figured out the origin of life on earth, it seems likely that life is an inevitable consequence of the laws of physics and chemistry.

Religions were created out of ignorance. We are curious animals that seek answers and problem solve. One of the consequences of that is when we can't find the answer to a big question, we tend to invent one that puts us center stage - i.e. religion.
 
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NewJerseyGuy

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Because all religions were created by humans, for humans, with basically zero knowledge of the workings of the universe.

Science has demonstrated that a creator is not necessary to have a universe, or multiple universes.

And although we haven't figured out the origin of life on earth, it seems likely that life is an inevitable consequence of the laws of physics and chemistry.

Religions were created out of ignorance. We are curious animals that seek answers and problem solve. One of the consequences of that is when we can't find the answer to a big question, we tend to invent one that puts us center stage.

You seem to have great faith in this random alien landing here and explaining to you all of the mysteries of the universe.

He may be hoping for you to do the same for him.
 

R U Crazy

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On 4/20 day i like to sit back an imagine that this whole world is just a molecule on another species body. I take another puff and then i turn up "another brick on the wall"
 

RUfromSoCal?

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Any beings capable of traversing the immensity of space and time would observe our stewardship of Earth and declare us "the planet of the idiots".

Any beings capable of traversing the immensity of space and time wouldn't even notice us while they take whatever they want and moved on....
 

mdh2003

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..unless they can circumvent the laws of physics as we understand them...
This is a good point. At the extremes (very small, very fast) the laws of physics start to break down and contradict themselves. There is a lot we still don't know.

Regardless, chalk me up as an ET skeptic. I think they are probably out there, somewhere. Just not here.
 

S.W.A.I.N

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You seem to have great faith in this random alien landing here and explaining to you all of the mysteries of the universe.

He may be hoping for you to do the same for him.
Yeah aliens are going to master interstellar travel so you can convert them to a two thousand year old religion (based mostly around other older parables). Makes sense. They’ll be like “he walked on water?!?!?! That’s amazing...oh wait we just traversed the known universe.”
 
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Yeah aliens are going to master interstellar travel so you can convert them to a two thousand year old religion (based mostly around other older parables). Makes sense. They’ll be like “he walked on water?!?!?! That’s amazing...oh wait we just traversed the known universe.”
Made me think of this quote
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

Arthur C Clark
 

NewJerseyGuy

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Yeah aliens are going to master interstellar travel so you can convert them to a two thousand year old religion (based mostly around other older parables). Makes sense. They’ll be like “he walked on water?!?!?! That’s amazing...oh wait we just traversed the known universe.”

If I had to guess, I think “aliens” are inter-dimensional beings.

And I bet they already know who God is since they are most likely demons anyway.
 
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RUSK97

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Scary. The Russians have really upped the stakes. Their new aircraft are flying circles around ours.
 

RUScrew85

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Because all religions were created by humans, for humans, with basically zero knowledge of the workings of the universe.

Science has demonstrated that a creator is not necessary to have a universe, or multiple universes.

And although we haven't figured out the origin of life on earth, it seems likely that life is an inevitable consequence of the laws of physics and chemistry.

Religions were created out of ignorance. We are curious animals that seek answers and problem solve. One of the consequences of that is when we can't find the answer to a big question, we tend to invent one that puts us center stage - i.e. religion.

Wrong and your anti-religious prejudice is showing. Again.
 

lne001

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Any beings capable of traversing the immensity of space and time wouldn't even notice us while they take whatever they want and moved on....

Or they could simply convince the vast, vast majority of humanity, gullible as it is, that they were the true gods, worthy of worship and sacrifice and obedience. We would be easy pickings in so many ways.

But I don't worry about these sorts of things, as it is highly probable that we exist in a simulation, or stack of simulations, in any case.