OT-Post debate polls...

[John_J_Rambo_rivals315142]

Maybe we just draw 2 random SSN’s of Americans between 35-70, first one is President and second is VP.

the result in effectiveness would be exactly the same as today.

the gov't is set up in a way that creates nothing but roadblocks while vaccuuming up all the dumb, ineffective people into bureaucracy to allow smart, effective people to get stuff done.

it's exactly the same as schooling. get the idiots into the warehouse so the adults can go to work.

 

[Shoxsker]

The “excuse me I’m talking” with head snap and eye roll got old real quick. Can someone explain packing the court means? Is it they add 6-7 Supreme Court justices?

Yes, add more justices until the majority lean their way. Also making peurto, Guam, and DC all states bringing us to 53. The newest 3 would be blue forever. If the identity wins these things are planned and democrats will hold power forever since the newly added electorates would be blue, tipping the scale massively from 50/50.

 

[mwulf]

 

[mwulf]

Yes, add more justices until the majority lean their way. Also making peurto, Guam, and DC all states bringing us to 53. The newest 3 would be blue forever. If the identity wins these things are planned and democrats will hold power forever since the newly added electorates would be blue, tipping the scale massively from 50/50.

Shouldn't Guam PR and DC have representation though?

 

[John_J_Rambo_rivals315142]

we're doing this again?

 

[GBRforLife1]

How can you run for President and tell the people I'm not going to tell you what I'm going to do until after the election because the media will report on it.

Hes literally saying I'm hiding my policies from you.

Are you really questioning what Trump is going to do?

 

[mwulf]

when you're definitely not trying to create a narrative in order to sell a book:

I have to assume we have intelligence agency infiltration with these crazies. It's how they stopped the Michigan plot. I hope so because these q folk are so far off the reservation it could end up being a public danger to many

 

[TruHusker]

the result in effectiveness would be exactly the same as today.

the gov't is set up in a way that creates nothing but roadblocks while vaccuuming up all the dumb, ineffective people into bureaucracy to allow smart, effective people to get stuff done.

it's exactly the same as schooling. get the idiots into the warehouse so the adults can go to work.

It's called checks and balances and was a brilliant move by the founding fathers. See what happens when there is unbridled power at the state level. It was intentionally made to be a slower, thought provoking, and cumulative process. Not just make a decision and do it regardless of everyone and everything else. Study

 

[mwulf]

we're doing this again?

Nothing wrong with that. Just posting a little more information. It's all good. Probably a little more representative of the nation as a whole than a random poster polling a MAGA heavy board

 

[John_J_Rambo_rivals315142]

It's called checks and balances and was a brilliant move by the founding fathers. See what happens when there is unbridled power at the state level. It was intentionally made to be a slower, thought provoking, and cumulative process. Not just make a decision and do it regardless of everyone and everything else. Study

it was a brilliant move by the founding fathers, who knew anyone wanting to pursue a career in the public sector would be of no use to the rest of the country.

thought provoking? try mind-numbing. checks & balances are the greatest thing ever. makes people feel important while occupying them & their feeble minds from getting in the way of any actual innovation.

 

[John_J_Rambo_rivals315142]

Nothing wrong with that. Just posting a little more information. It's all good. Probably a little more representative of the nation as a whole than a random poster polling a MAGA heavy board

I just think it's funny you'd post polls of any kind after what happened to hildawg 4 years ago

fool me once and all

 

[TruHusker]

Yes, add more justices until the majority lean their way. Also making peurto, Guam, and DC all states bringing us to 53. The newest 3 would be blue forever. If the identity wins these things are planned and democrats will hold power forever since the newly added electorates would be blue, tipping the scale massively from 50/50.

I have read D.C., Puerto Rico would be new states and there is a plan to split California into multiple states, as many as 5. And yes, the Supreme Court will be stacked if the Dems get all three branches. The republican part will essentially be powerless and a forgotten party. I suppose that would make happy, it's called communism.

 

[mwulf]

 

[John_J_Rambo_rivals315142]

I also find it funny that nobody cares at all and less than half the population vote despite the constant pleas from everybody all the time during election years

celebs, pols, athletes, anyone else with a platform: please please please vote!

American public: nah

 

[mwulf]

I just think it's funny you'd post polls of any kind after what happened to hildawg 4 years ago

fool me once and all

Yeah I've thought that too actually

 

[Shoxsker]

Shouldn't Guam PR and DC have representation though?

DC, absolutely not! It was created because the govt is too convene in a non state. The other 2, I could listen to a fair argument there, but I'd still say no to all 7 territories. They don't pay federal taxes, they don't want to pay federal taxes, in almost all but Puerto Rico they'd not even vote for it themselves. Lets not act like paying federal taxes to get thensame federal funding would be a plus for them.
Its the equivalent of someone from Omaha deciding whats best for Western Nebraska farmers and then thinking how they saved those farmers from themselves.

 

[MOHUSKER]

I just think it's funny you'd post polls of any kind after what happened to hildawg 4 years ago

fool me once and all

The polls were mislabeled by the media, they showed a lot of undecided voters in the final weeks and the Comey letter seemed to have swung those undecided to Trump, especially in the handful of states that were within 1% in final results. There were a few states that were a bit off, but were within margin of error.

Polls are a tool, with a margin of error and bias, too many people take them as gospel. A National poll reflects the popular vote, but we don’t elect by popular vote.

 

[mwulf]

DC, absolutely not! It was created because the govt is too convene in a non state. The other 2, I could listen to a fair argument there, but I'd still say no to all 7 territories. They don't pay federal taxes, they don't want to pay federal taxes, in almost all but Puerto Rico they'd not even vote for it themselves. Lets not act like paying federal taxes to get thensame federal funding would be a plus for them.
Its the equivalent of someone from Omaha deciding whats best for Western Nebraska farmers and then thinking how they saved those farmers from themselves.

OK that's fair. Appreciate the reply

 

[John_J_Rambo_rivals315142]

The polls were mislabeled by the media, they showed a lot of undecided voters in the final weeks and the Comey letter seemed to have swung those undecided to Trump, especially in the handful of states that were within 1% in final results. There were a few states that were a bit off, but were within margin of error.

Polls are a tool, with a margin of error and bias, too many people take them as gospel. A National poll reflects the popular vote, but we don’t elect by popular vote.

a tool for what if not predicting election results, which they admittedly don't do

 

[MOHUSKER]

I have read D.C., Puerto Rico would be new states and there is a plan to split California into multiple states, as many as 5. And yes, the Supreme Court will be stacked if the Dems get all three branches. The republican part will essentially be powerless and a forgotten party. I suppose that would make happy, it's called communism.

Stop living in fear

 

[MOHUSKER]

a tool for what if not predicting election results, which they admittedly don't do

Here’s the thing, Trump outperformed the polls by 1-2% nationally in 2016 and 1-3% in swing states. All would be considered within a range, and there was about a 30% chance of what happened happening. But nobody said that, they just saw Hillary big National lead = win.

They should be like a forecast, Trump, as it sits with current polls, is only about half as likely to win this year as he was in 2016. That is subject to change, and there could always be that October surprise. Trump desperately wants another round of stimulus $ and will campaign hard on Big Ten football in 2 weeks, the race will tighten.

 

[JoelBittner]

Stop living in fear

Stop projecting.

The people you're voting for have said 50 times a day for 4 years they are afraid of a Trump presidency. Which explains all their unconstitutional attempts to over-throw the gov't.

 

[MOHUSKER]

Stop projecting.

The people you're voting for have said 50 times a day for 4 years they are afraid of a Trump presidency. Which explains all their unconstitutional attempts to over-throw the gov't.

Fraidy cat need a ball of yarn to bat around?

 

[Capdanjou]

another day, more ballot dumping evidence: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...tolen-from-mailboxes-and-dumped-in-california

seems there's a lot of this going around. it's CA, so probably doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things, but still, you can see why people are (ahem) skeptical.

FWIW the Washington Examiner is a pretty conservative source, but did you notice this part?

"Authorities say an investigation determined that incoming mail in general was being targeted as opposed to voter ballots specifically."

 

[OctavianDillard]

when you're definitely not trying to create a narrative in order to sell a book:

Ha! Exactly. Add this to Eugene’s twitter
and Ida’s twitter as mwulf’s go-to sources.

 

[Capdanjou]

But Trump has been pres for almost 4 years... Why isn't this happening now?

Huh?

 

[John_J_Rambo_rivals315142]

FWIW the Washington Examiner is a pretty conservative source, but did you notice this part?

"Authorities say an investigation determined that incoming mail in general was being targeted as opposed to voter ballots specifically."

yes, I did. quite the coincidence, no?

if in fact incoming mail in general is the target, should that spur more confidence or less?

did you notice the links to the handful of other cases across the country?

as for the source, do you think this isn't happening and is being fabricated?

I assume you only watch/read/listen to one side, like many on here. your opinions are not your own. they're being assigned to you.

 

[Mrs.Jeans15]

A 30 second look at Pence’s Twitter shows this is fake.

If people are stupid enough to fall for fakes, and try to spread them as truth, maybe they shouldn’t be allowed to vote at all.

What she said in the debate is not fake
.lol

Nice try.

 

[Mrs.Jeans15]

I like I Trump's policies.

Sorry

 

[Capdanjou]

yes, I did. quite the coincidence, no?

if in fact incoming mail in general is the target, should that spur more confidence or less?

did you notice the links to the handful of other cases across the country?

as for the source, do you think this isn't happening and is being fabricated?

I assume you only watch/read/listen to one side, like many on here. your opinions are not your own. they're being assigned to you.

I actually make a point of reading Fox and Breitbart every day, and the one thing I consistently notice is that the quality is significantly lacking. They often write in response to what the NYT or WaPo is investigating, rather than leading their own in depth investigations. Breitbart, for example, takes a couple of comments and passes them off as fact. It's fine for a journalist to quote someone as long as they follow-up by verifying the veracity of the claim, hopefully with context so that the reader can make up his/her own mind. Fox and Breitbart very rarely do that.

Apparently, by your standards, I'm far left, but my views are significantly shaped by my environment. Born and raised in Nebraska, lived my whole life in conservative states. As for media bias, we can go circles on this and never agree. I'm pretty good about picking apart media reports, and the right wing media isn't just different in what it chooses to focus on, it's of a lesser quality. Just look at the Fox webpage. One of its top stories references a WaPo analysis of the debate. It's short, lacks greater detail, and it's poorly written. If you want better sources of deeply reported conservative media, or at least right of center, try the Economist, WSJ or maybe the National Review.

 

[John_J_Rambo_rivals315142]

I actually make a point of reading Fox and Breitbart every day, and the one thing I consistently notice is that the quality is significantly lacking. They often write in response to what the NYT or WaPo is investigating, rather than leading their own in depth investigations. Breitbart, for example, takes a couple of comments and passes them off as fact. It's fine for a journalist to quote someone as long as they follow-up by verifying the veracity of the claim, hopefully with context so that the reader can make up his/her own mind. Fox and Breitbart very rarely do that.

Apparently, by your standards, I'm far left, but my views are significantly shaped by my environment. Born and raised in Nebraska, lived my whole life in conservative states. As for media bias, we can go circles on this and never agree. I'm pretty good about picking apart media reports, and the right wing media isn't just different in what it chooses to focus on, it's of a lesser quality. Just look at the Fox webpage. One of its top stories references a WaPo analysis of the debate. It's short, lacks greater detail, and it's poorly written. If you want better sources of deeply reported conservative media, or at least right of center, try the Economist, WSJ or maybe the National Review.

I never made any claims about your views, nor do I read any of those on either side. it's all written for the sole purpose of driving ad revenue.

I find it much more productive to stick my finger in the air and see which way the wind's blowing. often times it's pretty calm, despite what all sides of media would like for us to think.

 

[SnohomishRed]

Sorry, did you say accomplished? You are soft in the head, aren't you. It's a pretty sad day when the Borg embraces a despicable slug simply because they like the extreme agenda he's shoved down the throat of the American public. Destroy the environment? Check! Stack the court with extremist judges? Check! Alienate our allies? Check! Nuzzle up to dictators? Check! Undermine our foremost experts in everything from economics and science to military and basic governance? Check! Spark race riots? Check! Undermine our place in the world? Double check! Allow a pandemic to devastate our economy and kill 210,000 Americans? Check and check! Good thing his personality is the only thing to worry about. Am I right, scarlet?

sorry I cant let this stand:

1. First why is that you liberals call people names - get control of your emotions you an adult start acting like one and not some spoiled child
2. Destroy the environment - ya right Trump in 3.6 years has destroyed the environment - think logically man, do not regurgitate what you hear on liberal media
3. Extremist judges ? - no constitutional judges it the liberal who are subverting the constitution
4. Alienate allies - No hold their feet to the fire- I assume you are talking about the eurozone who has been screwing us over for decades. Israel seems to like him enough they named a street after him. Peace is breaking out in places where there has been violence for decades
5. Undermine experts - you mean the one Fauci who told us not to wear masks then wear masks and said New York with the highest death rate in the world did it right? The only time lib's quote science is when they have no position of their own
6. Race riots were sparked by the leftist /marxists in this country to state otherwise is very dishonest
7. 210,000 deaths - ok here is the one you guys love and it is just so much BS - first you assume something could have been done differently, to that end you use Europe as an example except now you cant do that because they have more infections than the US. The US is the 3rd largest country in the world population wise. China #1 flat out lied about the number of deaths, India is so disorganized most of the deaths are not even counted. The US per capita deaths is basically the same as most European countries. Quit with this nonsense that a democrat would have handled this pandemic better its a stupid argument/talking point designed to sway the feeble minded among us

You guys need some new talking points , maybe CNN can do another focus group

 

[mwulf]

Seems like Donnie300 will get a totally legit and unbiased health review tonight

 

[HBK4life_rivals100467]

Seems like Donnie300 will get a totally legit and unbiased health review tonight

Be nice if the media crawled up the Dems *** like they do with Trump. Hunter Biden, Russia and Hildog, Racist Biden, Liberal Kamala. Sickening and pathetic is the mainstream media. Why nobody believes or watches. Unless you're capdanjou.

 

[xrugger]

Flies know their s***

 

[MOHUSKER]

Be nice if the media crawled up the Dems *** like they do with Trump. Hunter Biden, Russia and Hildog, Racist Biden, Liberal Kamala. Sickening and pathetic is the mainstream media. Why nobody believes or watches. Unless you're capdanjou.

Nothing to stop people, pretty proven people like you will believe whatever they print, the markets there, why would they pass up those $?

 

[Mrs.Jeans15]

Flies know their s***

Flies for Trump

 

[Mrs.Jeans15]

Nothing to stop people, pretty proven people like you will believe whatever they print, the markets there, why would they pass up those $?

It's fun to play ignorant isn't it?...lol

 

[Mrs.Jeans15]

How many more times or ways. Its insulting after a while.

 

[Mrs.Jeans15]

Republicans in the Senate are going to cost Trump the election.

But they will blame Trump.

I don't trust them.