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Capdanjou

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Any people want to vote for Communist China. Vote Biden. They want him to win for a reason dummies.
And anyone who wants white nationalist militias roaming the land, and plotting to overthrow local governments should vote for Trump.
 

Mrs.Jeans15

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How can you run for President and tell the people I'm not going to tell you what I'm going to do until after the election because the media will report on it.

Hes literally saying I'm hiding my policies from you.
 

Sinomatic

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How can you run for President and tell the people I'm not going to tell you what I'm going to do until after the election because the media will report on it.

Hes literally saying I'm hiding my policies from you.


Yep. Taking a cue from Nancy Pelosi's ACA bill speach justifying an up vote without knowing a damn thing about it with...~"We've got to pass it to know what's in it"

WTF?!
 

Capdanjou

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He’s just practicing for the presidential election.
Voter fraud on a massive scale never proven. Absorb that into your pinhead. Voter suppression a proven fact. Step away from the computer and process information. Wait five minutes and return to board. You don't mind the fear mongering conspiracy of voter fraud because you are a moron. You like voter suppression because you don't want free elections. You are extremely narrow-minded. That is not a complement.
 
Jan 10, 2020
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Voter fraud on a massive scale never proven. Absorb that into your pinhead. Voter suppression a proven fact. Step away from the computer and process information. Wait five minutes and return to board. You don't mind the fear mongering conspiracy of voter fraud because you are a moron. You like voter suppression because you don't want free elections. You are extremely narrow-minded. That is not a complement.
how come only one gets the 'massive scale' disclaimer?
 
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Voter fraud on a massive scale never proven. Absorb that into your pinhead. Voter suppression a proven fact. Step away from the computer and process information. Wait five minutes and return to board. You don't mind the fear mongering conspiracy of voter fraud because you are a moron. You like voter suppression because you don't want free elections. You are extremely narrow-minded. That is not a complement.
Are you ever going to get me my fries??
 
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How can you run for President and tell the people I'm not going to tell you what I'm going to do until after the election because the media will report on it.

Hes literally saying I'm hiding my policies from you.
Must be following the lead of Pelosi’s “you’ve got to pass the bill so that you can find out what’s in it.” We are getting very close to words meaning absolutely nothing, which is why the only thing that matters is action and results. Libs can say whatever the hell they want, or not say anything, and skate. It is unimaginable.
 

Capdanjou

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how come only one gets the 'massive scale' disclaimer?
It's hard to explain to right wingers, mostly because voter fraud is a huge dog whistle for them, and you have to convince them to shut out the noise. Voter fraud is always put out there as pervasive because it gets the base riled, but there is no proof of voter fraud being a massive problem. Scroll through the rolls of FBI reports on voter fraud. It'll take some time, but do it and you'll find the pct. of cases is a very tiny fraction of all votes cast over many many decades. I've seen posters spout off about ballots dumped in a creek, and all other manner of suspicious behavior, but that's being pushed by right wing media and none of it has led to actual investigations, much less convictions. Find me evidence of millions of fraudulent ballots, as Trump has claimed.

On the other hand, efforts to suppress the vote of women, African Americans, Latinos, Asians Americans have been around for as long as we've had elections, and it's still happening today. If Repubs really wanted everyone to vote they would make it easy, both to ensure the vote, and to ensure a ballot cannot be fraudulently cast. But they never do that. Why? Because the people most impacted by their voting laws are people of color and or poor who often vote Democrat. It's no mystery. Hell, Trump even said he didn't want more people to vote because it would mean he loses the election. So what do Repubs do? They whip up a conspiracy of "bunch of illegals stuffing the ballot box," which helps them limit how people vote.
 
Jan 10, 2020
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It's hard to explain to right wingers, mostly because voter fraud is a huge dog whistle for them, and you have to convince them to shut out the noise. Voter fraud is always put out there as pervasive because it gets the base riled, but there is no proof of voter fraud being a massive problem. Scroll through the rolls of FBI reports on voter fraud. It'll take some time, but do it and you'll find the pct. of cases is a very tiny fraction of all votes cast over many many decades. I've seen posters spout off about ballots dumped in a creek, and all other manner of suspicious behavior, but that's being pushed by right wing media and none of it has led to actual investigations, much less convictions. Find me evidence of millions of fraudulent ballots, as Trump has claimed.

On the other hand, efforts to suppress the vote of women, African Americans, Latinos, Asians Americans have been around for as long as we've had elections, and it's still happening today. If Repubs really wanted everyone to vote they would make it easy, both to ensure the vote, and to ensure a ballot cannot be fraudulently cast. But they never do that. Why? Because the people most impacted by their voting laws are people of color and or poor who often vote Democrat. It's no mystery. Hell, Trump even said he didn't want more people to vote because it would mean he loses the election. So what do Repubs do? They whip up a conspiracy of "bunch of illegals stuffing the ballot box," which helps them limit how people vote.
what are the efforts to suppress? requiring an ID? limited polling places?
 
Jan 10, 2020
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It's hard to explain to right wingers, mostly because voter fraud is a huge dog whistle for them, and you have to convince them to shut out the noise. Voter fraud is always put out there as pervasive because it gets the base riled, but there is no proof of voter fraud being a massive problem. Scroll through the rolls of FBI reports on voter fraud. It'll take some time, but do it and you'll find the pct. of cases is a very tiny fraction of all votes cast over many many decades. I've seen posters spout off about ballots dumped in a creek, and all other manner of suspicious behavior, but that's being pushed by right wing media and none of it has led to actual investigations, much less convictions. Find me evidence of millions of fraudulent ballots, as Trump has claimed.

On the other hand, efforts to suppress the vote of women, African Americans, Latinos, Asians Americans have been around for as long as we've had elections, and it's still happening today. If Repubs really wanted everyone to vote they would make it easy, both to ensure the vote, and to ensure a ballot cannot be fraudulently cast. But they never do that. Why? Because the people most impacted by their voting laws are people of color and or poor who often vote Democrat. It's no mystery. Hell, Trump even said he didn't want more people to vote because it would mean he loses the election. So what do Repubs do? They whip up a conspiracy of "bunch of illegals stuffing the ballot box," which helps them limit how people vote.
here's a database of nearly 1,300 recent voter fraud convictions on both sides:
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/search

I don't know how many votes were impacted, but I also don't know how many are 'suppressed' each year.

methinks there's probably some truth to both sides, though I'm not sure how any adult gets by on a daily basis, much less in an election year, without an ID.
 

Capdanjou

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here's a database of nearly 1,300 recent voter fraud convictions on both sides:
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/search

I don't know how many votes were impacted, but I also don't know how many are 'suppressed' each year.

methinks there's probably some truth to both sides, though I'm not sure how any adult gets by on a daily basis, much less in an election year, without an ID.
I appreciate you looking that up. And I do agree that an ID seems kinda obvious, but for some people it is an issue. So is travel. Frankly our voting system is inefficient, and I would think hacking a much bigger threat, not that we're doing much to prevent that either. And I'm serious when I say the government shouldn't be making it harder to vote, it should be making it easier. But that requires a fraud proof ID system, or as near as possible. We live in a first world country, yet some things here are straight up third world. How can we be so advanced in some areas, and so completely dysfunctional in others?
 
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I appreciate you looking that up. And I do agree that an ID seems kinda obvious, but for some people it is an issue. So is travel. Frankly our voting system is inefficient, and I would think hacking a much bigger threat, not that we're doing much to prevent that either. And I'm serious when I say the government shouldn't be making it harder to vote, it should be making it easier. But that requires a fraud proof ID system, or as near as possible. We live in a first world country, yet some things here are straight up third world. How can we be so advanced in some areas, and so completely dysfunctional in others?
another day, more ballot dumping evidence: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...tolen-from-mailboxes-and-dumped-in-california

seems there's a lot of this going around. it's CA, so probably doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things, but still, you can see why people are (ahem) skeptical.
 

MOHUSKER

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Ibss7d this during the debate.

if she's this stupid no way she could be President.



A 30 second look at Pence’s Twitter shows this is fake.

If people are stupid enough to fall for fakes, and try to spread them as truth, maybe they shouldn’t be allowed to vote at all.
 
Jan 10, 2020
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when you're definitely not trying to create a narrative in order to sell a book: