Not a salary. Appearance fee. Pay attention. They do the same in DP Tour. Again answer the question. What sport requires players to play a certain amount of events but doesn't pay them?
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Of course I did. I said it makes it feel like an exhibition. Now, if the salary was more modest, I can get behind it.
Most LIV golfers left the tour cause they were kicked out..not cause they wanted to
So your answer is no. You had no problem with Tiger making millions in appearance fees. I thought you just said you were against them because it was too much. You literally are arguing with yourself.
so it sounds like you are for LIV golfers not playing exclusively for LIV and think they should be taken back by the TOUR?
They didn't leave the PGA Tour. The PGA Tour threw them out. This is another of his many misunderstandings.
You mean like the WGC golf events? If the two organizations can work out a deal, great. But I’m still not a fan of their format. Outside of the money grab, I don’t see any players voluntarily sign up for this format.
If you think the two scenarios are the same, then yes. I’m arguing with myself.So your answer is no. You had no problem with Tiger making millions in appearance fees. I thought you just said you were against them because it was too much. You literally are arguing with yourself.
They are the same except in your mind. A lot of money up front before playing. No difference between the two.
LIV was pretty much going to be WGC golf events…then PGA banned whoever played in those events.
LIV is here to stay as long as the Saudis are willing to pay through the nose to bring in top players and poach young talent turning pro.
I don't think it will take too long before the PGA realizes the Sadie backed LIV isn't going away soon and knows it won't last a long term fight trying to make it go away.
The public really isn't interested in the side stories about why the LIV is just sportswashing, they will look on it as an alternative to the PGA and follow it along with PGA events.
Unless the PGA can knock the LIV out of the box soon, the PGA will have to live with that tour becoming more popular and start making plans to work with it to make the sport more popular .
Possibly , at the end of golf season, have the LIV tour leaders play the PGA tour leaders in a world championship event
I don't think it will take too long before the PGA realizes the Sadie backed LIV isn't going away soon and knows it won't last a long term fight trying to make it go away.
The public really isn't interested in the side stories about why the LIV is just sportswashing, they will look on it as an alternative to the PGA and follow it along with PGA events.
Unless the PGA can knock the LIV out of the box soon, the PGA will have to live with that tour becoming more popular and start making plans to work with it to make the sport more popular .
Possibly , at the end of golf season, have the LIV tour leaders play the PGA tour leaders in a world championship event
Agree. The PGA is already changing because of them. Bigger purses. Wacky online thing the Woods and Rory came up with. It would have been a lot easier to give them 8 weeks on the calendar and move on. Instead they went the stupid route.
Do you have a contact that verified this? It’s here to stay and the players are entitled to the money and should be free to play where they want. The PGA has been wrong and hanging there hat on Tiger who is the poster boy. Jack was possibly going to head LIV before being talked out of it.
He is making up crap in every post. His posts contradict the previous. He has dug a hole and is defending his losing position. He is no longer making sense at all.
Being talked out of it could be a fact because the company using his name was against it.
But he did say : "“I did it out of courtesy to them because we're doing a golf course for them. I've got zero interest in wanting to do something like that. I don't care what kind of money they would have thrown at me. My allegiance has been to the PGA Tour. I grew up on the PGA TOUR. I helped found the PGA Tour as it is today. My allegiance is there and it’s going to stay there.’’
Then there's this : >LIV Golf officials have said Nicklaus was not offered the same role that Norman now has, but rather an “ambassador’’ type arrangement that he turned down.<
https://www.si.com/golf/news/greg-n...laus-a-hypocrite-for-backtracking-on-liv-golf
According to the COO of LIV, he admitted a couple of months ago, that they have to get a network deal of some sort going forward. They wouldn't need that if the Saudis were just going to plop down hundreds of millions a year with no return. I think even the Saudis have a breaking point with this. Now that might be a few more years down the line but I doubt the Saudis are going to be OK three or four years from now, them paying **** tons of money to have their golf tour with like 3 or 4 Top 25 players streaming on YouTube to like 80K fans.
The latest story is Apple TV said no because they are too toxic for them. NBC, CBS and ESPN also seemed to have passed, largely due to their commitments to the PGA Tour. That basically leaves Fox, which always seemed like the most natural fit. But Fox couldn't run away from golf as fast as they got into it, so who knows.
The 2 billion is public info. Players contract is paid out over years and is part of the 2 billion fund. PGA is not hanging their hat on Tiger. They have the top players in golf. LIV’s big get was Smith but failed to get anyone else in the top 20. if your question is will the Saudi fund more after LIV goes through the $2 billion, the answer is no. I have done business with these SWF and they can only lose so much money before they pull the plug.
That was after the original story came out…damage control. At least he admitted Norman was, is and will be his friend.
Norman himself said it back in May about the $2B. He claimed they got the OK to continue into 2023, 2024 and 2025 and were given $2B additional for those seasons. When you look at the comment from the COO about needing a network partner, my guess is that the Saudis are only going to float this for so long until they may some sort of return here. I don't know about folding after three more seasons, but I suspect, as I said above, if they are plunking along as currently set up with not more Top 20 guys (or some agreement with the PGA Tour) and only streaming on YouTube, the Saudis may say enough is enough.
So desperate to the buzz going
I don't doubt Rahm wavered after the last press conference. He didn't look happy. Probably changed his mind and who knows, could do so again. Also, that Twitter account is not even verified. Not sure who it is but it is someone connected to golf & in the know.
Except he is like the 15th fake rumors about top 20 players jumping to LIV. So much for “in the know”
You may be right. My interest in the PGA Tour has declined since LIV started.
The PGA Tour has a deep field of the best players, but LIV has the star power that golf fans want to see.
They go head to head this weekend. Tour is in Napa at the Fortinet (8M purse), while LIV is in Chicago(25M purse). Lots of big names in Chicago. With a network TV deal the LIV would far outdraw the Tour this weekend.
Event Five - September 16-18 - Rich Harvest Farms Golf, Chicago, USA
Teams:
4 Aces GC - Dustin Johnson, Patrick Reed, Talor Gooch, Pat Perez
Cleeks GC - Martin Kaymer, Graeme McDowell, Laurie Canter, Richard Bland
Crushers GC - Bryson DeChambeau, Paul Casey, Charles Howell III, Anirban Lahiri
Fireballs GC - Sergio Garcia, Abraham Ancer, Carlos Ortiz, Eugenio Chacarra
HY Flyers GC - Phil Mickelson, Bernd Wiesberger, Matthew Wolff, Cameron Tringale
Iron Heads GC - Kevin Na, Sadom Kaewkanjana, Phachara Khongwatmai, Sihwan Kim
Majesticks GC - Lee Westwood, Ian Poulter, Henrik Stenson, Sam Horsfield
Niblicks GC - Harold Varner III, Hudson Swafford, James Piot, Turk Pettit
Punch GC - Cameron Smith, Marc Leishman, Wade Ormsby, Matt Jones
Smash GC - Brooks Koepka, Jason Kokrak, Peter Uihlein, Chase Koepka
Torque GC - Joaquin Niemann, Scott Vincent, David Puig, Jediah Morgan
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I suspect he won't unless the PGA does something that sets him off. There seems to be some bad blood developing between players now. At first, it just looked like Norman and the PGA execs were going to piss on each other but now players are getting involved. At the end of the day, I think most of these guys are dug in now on their tours and stances. I am not sure there will be as much movement to LIV now for a bit unless something bad happens with the PGA.
Oddly enough Patrick Reed came off pretty well. While some LIV golfers tried to flout the requirement no LIV logos on apparel at the DP event, Reed rushed clothing to himself in order to comply. Poulter and some others came up with BS stories as to why they had LIV logos on their stuff.
Koepka and DJ are two others here that seem to be doing this right. They made their choice, they largely keep quiet about it now, they haven't sued the PGA, etc.
LIV has global TV deals today. Just not with the US. I agree that will be a tough nut to crack for now. I need to check but know I get/used to get DAZN and some other networks that carry LIV since I stream everything anyway.