Even with Morikawa saying he's staying with PGA, I wouldn't be shocked if that changed over the next few months. Hideki, Niemann, Hovland may be joining Ancer pretty soon.
OT: Phil Mickelson
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If there is no cut then the last place finish amount is the appearance fee correct? Just like liv.
Yes, lose revenue. This was pointed out in a Golf Digest article. For example, if they cut tournaments, they lose sponsors who will then look for alternative places to spend their ad money. Many of the main sponsors like the single name sponsorship (Rocket Mortgage, Honda Classic, etc.). Some aren't going to want to share the sponsorship titles. You think Honda is still going to pay big bucks to sponsor an event where they aren't the lead sponsor? Nope. They'll move their ad money to something else.
The other issue that would have to be worked out is TV. CBS, for example, pays based on a certain number of tournaments. You cut, say half, their televised tournaments, the TV rights fees will drop. Sure, the Honda Classic doesn't get uber ratings but it's still better for CBS than running a rodeo on a Sunday afternoon.
Except everyone who attacked Phil for totally different reasons. No one attacked DJ for joining. Phil’s fan club still spinning.
After this announcement by the PGA Tour, player motivations will be clear. People who want the easy road will play on LUV. People who want to compete will play on PGA Tour.
No incentive?? Are you high? Besides his appearence fee Schwartzel made ANOTHER $4,000,000 for 3 days of playing a game. Lots of $$$ incentives
I think Brooks is a great brother. Now I get why LIV took his brother. Nice way to get his brother pay.
Compared to 200mm and 120mm guaranteed money? Maybe the guys that got smaller signing bonus will try hard.
Fan Duel and First Tee. Remember how concerned he is in growing golf.
You pretty much just described all US professional and college sports as well. Most teams have no incentive/capability to win. A lot of people watch because of betting though. I am sure people with watch/bet the LIV as well.
On another topic, I saw Nick Faldo is retiring from CBS beginning of August. CBS coverage is pretty bland but Sir Nick never bothered me. He's definitely better than Azinger (although that is not saying much).
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Immelman as the replacement will be interesting. He's a decent on course guy so I wonder how he will be in the booth.
Immelman is pretty blah. I don't see him as a lead but they may not have any better options. Maybe Phil would like to join the booth for Tony Romo type money!
This.
The Saudis need to prop this thing up long enough for it to become self sustaining. The PGA doesn't have that luxury. So for LIV to thrive, they need to get on TV, have people buy tickets, and generally create a product people care about and consume. Otherwise it becomes the XFL.
Feels to me like they are trying to make LIV like Formula 1 but with golf instead of race cars. Personally I don't think that sells, but we'll see.
Right now the only real winners are the LIV guys cashing big checks.
The Saudis have 600 billion set aside with plans to get that up to one trillion by 2030. They started with $2 billion to start the golf up. This isn't like a normal business that needs profits sooner rather than later, they can go forever without making a dime on this if they want to.
They are playing the long game and don't care how much money it takes.
They already have forced the PGA to make some changes, more guaranteed money and events have have no cuts
PGA Tour plans to add eight $20 million tournaments in 2023 as attempt to combat LIV Golf, per report - CBSSports.com
>Starting next year, the PGA Tour schedule will include eight limited-field no-cut events, with purses of $20 million or more each, for the top 50 finishers in the prior season's FedEx Cup standings.<
https://www.cbssports.com/golf/news...023-as-attempt-to-combat-liv-golf-per-report/
That’s what they would like you to believe. They’ll pull the plug if it doesn’t get off the ground in a couple of years. That’s how all these Middle East sovereign wealth fund works.
Who cares if they pull the plug in a couple of years?? If that is a real threat that makes it more important for the players to join now. You seem to always go down that road in almost every post. Predicting it will fold soon. If they do pull the plug watch how fast the PGA abandons their fall $$ league.
The more likely event is the merge or takeover the DP Tour.
British Open ok with LIV player to tee it up in The Open. Funny some of you all thought the majors would follow the PGA Tour ban.
If that’s the end game, they can just buy the DP Tour now. Why do LIV? To answer your question on why I keep saying it will fold soon because the business model is not sustainable.
Just too many rumors and not enough facts. I personally don’t get how you can have any of the “Open” championships and exclude players.
The PGA should let qualified players who earn their Tour card play on the Tour too.
One reason why they don't care about a few billions:
Have anyone seen the price of oil lately?
LOL.
LIV tour events AND access to the majors. That's a pretty sweet gig for players!
the big question mark is next years majors.
This years tourny’s already had their qualification requirements so would be a terrible look to change just weeks before.
the key decision will be Augusta 2023
The PGA had no issues banning people immediately.
The real date is before April 2023. What the Masters does with it's former Champions.