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NickRU714

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You’re making this too complicated . This woman should be competing for the USA and has not been upfront about her citizenship status. Simple as that.

I would say you are making this too complicated.

Her choosing "China" has no impact on my life in even the smallest way.
I would assume the same is to be said for everyone else on this board.
Honestly, the only place I've ever seen her name is on this board - haven't even watched her events.
 
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NickRU714

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Meanwhile, in actual the actual Olympics, Shaun White had an absolutely clutch performance to qualify for halfpipe finals. He fell his first run, so it was do or die the second ...and he did.

Not sure he can beat those Japanese kids, though. Gonna need to pull out all the stops and lay it down sparkly clean.

What's going on with the cheating "Russians" and the Team Figure Skating?
Kick them out and give us gold already.
 

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I would say you are making this too complicated.

Her choosing "China" has no impact on my life in even the smallest way.
I would assume the same is to be said for everyone else on this board.
Honestly, the only place I've ever seen her name is on this board - haven't even watched her events.
Pretty much every thread besides where to get the best pizza threads have no impact on my life or others here .
 
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I'm very confident some of these same outspoken blowhards have benefited big time financially from China. These types would 1000 percent not think twice about outsourcing to China if it made them more money yet still be here arguing that Gu should hang.

F them with a piece of rebar from Beijing's post-apocalyptic deathscape.
The US can’t even bring all the work back to the US because we don’t have the manpower. I was just on the phone with a friend at my prior company and he said they can’t find anyone to apply and work there. He wants to retire, about 58 with plenty of assets, but it will take a while to replace him. He working from Naples, Fl from his NJ JOB. They kept laying off people and now they are short of people. Now the company is transferring the work to low cost countries like Singapore and starting to think about closing the San Antonio operation they open 10 years ago that they moved from NJ.
 
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Oh, and since we're so interested in Americans performing for other countries, Louie Vito, who was on the American team in 2010, rode halfpipe for Italy. He came in 13th so missed the finals by one spot.

Death to him? Or is it cool since the alt right propaganda networks aren't all mad and frothy about Italy right now (plus he's over the hill and not winning)?
 

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The US can’t even bring all the work back to the US because we don’t have the manpower. I was just on the phone with a friend at my prior company and he said they can’t find anyone to apply and work there. He wants to retire, about 58 with plenty of assets, but it will take a while to replace him. He working from Naples, Fl from his NJ JOB. They kept laying off people and now they are short of people. Now the company is transferring the work to low cost countries like Singapore and starting to think about closing the San Antonio operation they open 10 years ago that they moved from NJ.

My sister wanted to retire, 66, because they kept on adding more responsibilities from laying off employees. She wasn’t going to take it since she had enough assets. She told they that she was willing to work as a contractor, her full time job paid about $100k but if she work 40hours it translated to $300k as a contractor. She now work for the same company at 20hours for $200k, more Pay less work. US companies became so lean they they cause their own problems. At my old company we use to take 3-4 months to hire someone and have them see 6 managers for a full day now they will take anyone that applies.
If the companies paid more, they'd have more people interested. But your point is still valid...there are not enough workers in certain sectors of the economy already. Even just the idea of paying more is playing musical chairs...there's only so many people who are qualified for a certain job. The idea of bringing back jobs also doesn't make sense unless companies, shareholders, and consumers are willing to pay the higher labor costs. Certain types of work that are deemed critical to the functioning of the country should definitely be brought back, but that is a national security issue and we should just understand that we will incur higher costs for doing so.
 
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If the companies paid more, they'd have more people interested. But your point is still valid...there are not enough workers in certain sectors of the economy already. Even just the idea of paying more is playing musical chairs...there's only so many people who are qualified for a certain job. The idea of bringing back jobs also doesn't make sense unless companies, shareholders, and consumers are willing to pay the higher labor costs. Certain types of work that are deemed critical to the functioning of the country should definitely be brought back, but that is a national security issue and we should just understand that we will incur higher costs for doing so.
It funny they moved the NJ jobs to San Antonio Tx about 10 years ago and got their tax credit and now they moving a lot of jobs off shore, not China, for lower cost. Unemployment going to hit 3% because all us boomers want to retire. Actually, it’s great period for 25-45 years old since lay offs will be substantially lower than when I worked and should be plenty of opportunities for their entire career.

The company jobs are six figures but companies have been spoiled in the past and we’re able to hire someone they didn’t need to train, they already had the experience. That’s not happening anymore, the people with experience are retiring.

 
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It funny they moved the NJ jobs to San Antonio Tx about 10 years ago and got their tax credit and now they moving a lot of jobs off shore, not China, for lower cost. Unemployment going to hit 3% because all us boomers want to retire. Actually, it’s great period for 25-45 years old since lay offs will be substantially lower than when I worked and should be plenty of opportunities for their entire career.
The long-running efforts to reduce OpEx to appease the shareholders and investors is driving every major company to push jobs offshore. And yes, not China, but I see a lot of Costa Rica, Spain, Ireland, Czech Republic, Philippines for shared service centers for Finance and IT jobs.
 

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And allowed to do so by politicians of both parties.

Not sure what your point was. When your competition moves their factory to china to save money and lower prices, you are kinda stuck doing the same thing. It should never have been allowed in the first place.

And many of those companies go belly-up as China copied their factories across the street, moved the best employees from the "american" factory to their factory and then out-competed them selling the same damn thing the American company made.

Chinese labor was always cheap.. think of the railroads in the 1800s. The problem was allowing factories to be moved there in the first place.

Now China makes and sells everything.. has a huge trade surplus with the USA and probably the "West" as a whole.. they use this bounty to squeeze out the remaining competition everywhere around the world.. they sell stuff more cheaply than it costs to make until the competition dies off.. they spend the money to buy political favor in UN member nations.. they lock-up natural resources around the world... all made possible by this huge trade surplus.

While the jinn is out of the bottle and it may be too late (I think of the hypersonic missile development here), we (the west) should just revert to pre-Nixon days on China. Build a virtual GREAT WALL around them. Bring all the factories home, to western nations, modernized.

Pull out all economic support for developing nations doing business with China.
The question is how? It’s not 1960. Some big US companies just can’t live without China.
Tesla is a perfect example.
And how much do you think we would pay for an iPhone that is made in the US?
 

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Needs more cowbell. Venues are dead. Other side of the world for the 2nd winter olympics in a row. Meh.
 
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It was ALL GREED. They, meaning repubs and dems, made up some bs reasoning to justify building China into a world power. I hope everyone enjoyed all of the cheap electronics!
 
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The lack of natural snow is a joke. The half pipe sounds like they are riding on sandpaper/cement. I saw a bunch of riders go down face first and were stunned. The Winter Olympics needs to be in the Alps of France/Switzerland/Austria or Norway/Sweden. Maybe Japan. Even the US and Canada are iffy (except maybe Vancouver). Calgary/Lake Louise can be too cold this time of year.
 
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It was ALL GREED. They, meaning repubs and dems, made up some bs reasoning to justify building China into a world power. I hope everyone enjoyed all of the cheap electronics!

And now the same old dogs that made, assisted and sat idly through those decisions want to lecture everyone about how wrong it is to have the Olympics in China. Or compete for the country they embraced with loving arms when it was to their benefit.

Fk them.
 
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The lack of natural snow is a joke. The half pipe sounds like they are riding on sandpaper/cement. I saw a bunch of riders go down face first and were stunned. The Winter Olympics needs to be in the Alps of France/Switzerland/Austria or Norway/Sweden. Maybe Japan. Even the US and Canada are iffy (except maybe Vancouver). Calgary/Lake Louise can be too cold this time of year.

US is more reliable for snow than the Alps. So is Japan. All should be part of the rotation.

Utah, Tahoe, PNW, Hokkaido ...some of the snowiest spots in the world. Start there, plus BC and Swiss/French Alps. Austrian Alps are lower but worth a look. Scand lacks high elevation but presumably could make up for it in northerly locale.

Any and all are better than Beijing, but they should focus on highest, deepest and coldest of the bunch.
 

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It was ALL GREED. They, meaning repubs and dems, made up some bs reasoning to justify building China into a world power. I hope everyone enjoyed all of the cheap electronics!
i would contend that it was the corporations that did it.
 

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Death to him? Or is it cool since the alt right propaganda networks aren't all mad and frothy about Italy right now (plus he's over the hill and not winning)?
It's Italy dude, they're no threat. Hell, their national salute is raising both arms in the air in surrender. My Grandfather taught me that one.
 

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The lack of natural snow is a joke. The half pipe sounds like they are riding on sandpaper/cement. I saw a bunch of riders go down face first and were stunned. The Winter Olympics needs to be in the Alps of France/Switzerland/Austria or Norway/Sweden. Maybe Japan. Even the US and Canada are iffy (except maybe Vancouver). Calgary/Lake Louise can be too cold this time of year.
by the time the cities bidding for the olympics shook out, the only other country with an official bid was Kazakhstan. no one wants to spend big $ on hosting the olympics anymore, especially the winter olympics.
 

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by the time the cities bidding for the olympics shook out, the only other country with an official bid was Kazakhstan. no one wants to spend big $ on hosting the olympics anymore, especially the winter olympics.
Those countries I mentioned already have the infrastructure to host the games. They need to stop the bidding out of the games and go to a rotation of countries/regions that want it. Otherwise just end the Olympics and make the World Championships (where ever held that year) for each sport the "Olympics" every 4 years if needed. No one cares about opening and closing ceremonies anymore.

Also, personally I like the Winter games. Hardly watch the Summer.
 
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US is more reliable for snow than the Alps. So is Japan. All should be part of the rotation.

Utah, Tahoe, PNW, Hokkaido ...some of the snowiest spots in the world. Start there, plus BC and Swiss/French Alps. Austrian Alps are lower but worth a look. Scand lacks high elevation but presumably could make up for it in northerly locale.

Any and all are better than Beijing, but they should focus on highest, deepest and coldest of the bunch.
Good list but Utah still seems risky. How much snow in Utah this year? My friends in SLC said Park City had practically nothing until a week or so ago. Also Solden Austria hosts the initial FIS races every October. Most years the Alps are no issue. This was a great year for snow there.
 

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Those countries I mentioned already have the infrastructure to host the games. They need to stop the bidding out of the games and go to a rotation of countries/regions that want it. Otherwise just end the Olympics and make the World Championships (where ever held that year) for each sport the "Olympics" every 4 years if needed. No one cares about opening and closing ceremonies anymore.

Also, personally I like the Winter games. Hardly watch the Summer.
You can't make countries host if they don't want it in a particular cycle...or 4 cycles... the US could want it one year and then not again for several cycles... what do you do then? It's not just about having the appropriate venues... you have thousands of visitors and a ton of media logistics to set up.
 

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You can't make countries host if they don't want it in a particular cycle...or 4 cycles... the US could want it one year and then not again for several cycles... what do you do then? It's not just about having the appropriate venues... you have thousands of visitors and a ton of media logistics to set up.
Then go to what I proposed of using the World Championships every 4 years as the Olympics. The World's are hosted every year for every sport. No need to build or plan for thousands of visitors (especially when you can't travel anyway due to COVID...who knows for how long). The concept of a single location is outdated when you see how far some of the events are anyway.
 

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Good list but Utah still seems risky. How much snow in Utah this year? My friends in SLC said Park City had practically nothing until a week or so ago. Also Solden Austria hosts the initial FIS races every October. Most years the Alps are no issue. This was a great year for snow there.

Besides having great powder, UT snow preserves gorgeously. Groomed snow better than Alps. That's been true this year - all snow so far came early, around holidays, but groomers still riding nicely as of two weeks ago. All resort terrain around me, including 02 Olympic downhill, is typically open by holidays.

Definitely a down Jan and Feb (so far) but would have beaten the past three or four Olympic venues for snow : ) 2010s saw three record/near record seasons at resorts and one separate crazy snowy year in the valley.

It's a pretty safe bet for snow, and they're gearing up for a 2030 bid anyway. Just opened the latest airport expansion.

One good point you touched on ...UT Olympic venues are all resorts with lesser snowfall numbers, like PC resorts. They should work the Cottonwoods with 500+ inches into the layout.

Europe's great, too, and agree should be an integral part of the future. More history of winter sport competition, glacier skiing, major cities close to the mountains, massive resorts etc.

They really need to do better increasing odds for good conditions in near and long term.
 

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Besides having great powder, UT snow preserves gorgeously. Groomed snow better than Alps. That's been true this year - all snow so far came early, around holidays, but groomers still riding nicely as of two weeks ago. All resort terrain around me, including 02 Olympic downhill, is typically open by holidays.

Definitely a down Jan and Feb (so far) but would have beaten the past three or four Olympic venues for snow : ) 2010s saw three record/near record seasons at resorts and one separate crazy snowy year in the valley.

It's a pretty safe bet for snow, and they're gearing up for a 2030 bid anyway. Just opened the latest airport expansion.

One good point you touched on ...UT Olympic venues are all resorts with lesser snowfall numbers, like PC resorts. They should work the Cottonwoods with 500+ inches into the layout.

Europe's great, too, and agree should be an integral part of the future. More history of winter sport competition, glacier skiing, major cities close to the mountains, massive resorts etc.

They really need to do better increasing odds for good conditions in near and long term.
Great post on snow in Utah. I appreciate the insights. I think we all just want an Olympics in a “real” venue / with mostly real snow.
 
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I wonder if some crazies on this board use any Made-in-China products.
Is there anything that isn't made-in-China anymore? The establishment (both sides of the aisle), by refusing to use tariffs with teeth, have made it so American manufacturing can't compete anymore.
 
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Is there anything that isn't made-in-China anymore? The establishment (both sides of the aisle), by refusing to use tariffs with teeth, have made it so American manufacturing can't compete anymore.
Lol. Are we supposed to be free market or not?
 

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gonna shock you here.. completely agree. and it is not limited to one party. one party couldn't have done this.. it took members of both parties to look the other way.. to believe the crap about how bringing China into the community of nations would change them. Well.. they were correct, in a way.. it made them bolder, wealthier and more dangerous than ever to the freedom of everyone else in the world.
Its also, the colleges and businesses. That Harvard chemist that was busted was a top chemist in the world, and there are legion more just like him. True about both parties collaborating but one of them really really like their system and would like to emulate it in US. They've already been doing epic censoring/defaming that's a massive u-turn in US history.

 

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Is there anything that isn't made-in-China anymore? The establishment (both sides of the aisle), by refusing to use tariffs with teeth, have made it so American manufacturing can't compete anymore.

A number of factors in addition to that, but we'd lose the last vestiges of the Olympics to get into them.
 

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And how much do you think we would pay for an iPhone that is made in the US?
iPhones would cost 50% more once everything is made here... robots would be doing much of it. But it will take awhile. Nokia phones were made in Finland.. they didn't cost more because of that. China is the problem. Other western nations would be much more acceptable. Finland is not working to destroy democracy as we know it.

Do you really need a new iPhone every year or two?

That's part of the problem. Planned obsolescence is back.. the thing that allowed Japan to out-compete us in cars and other consumer tech back in the 70s and 80s. Apple introduces reductions in performance.. they resist Right to Repair so the only solution to a damaged device is buy a new one. Their whole financial structure is based on selling X devices every year. Maybe they learn to do with less as well.

The point is.. how much is freedom, a real democracy and economic strength worth to you? Is it worth more than a "cheap" iPhone? If you have no choice in the matter because you can only buy phones made in western democracies what does it matter?

Tesla is building battery factories here. Yeah.. China has the inside track for locking up resources needed for batteries and solar panels.. but if no one trades with them what will they do? Will they resort to selling cobalt to the west? When they cannot get oil to fuel their growing war machine, what will they do? Go to war? I don't think so.
 

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Is there anything that isn't made-in-China anymore? The establishment (both sides of the aisle), by refusing to use tariffs with teeth, have made it so American manufacturing can't compete anymore.
Actually one side did lay the tariffs and they were working
Earned us the virus probably
 
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Yes.

If folks cared as much as they purport, they'd know this.
You are 100% correct. If people would try doing something called research, onnnn, oh I don't know, the computer, they could find plenty that is made here. ALSO, maybe look at labels when they go into a store. I do it all the time, not always easy to find and sometimes I have to suck it up and deal with it and by china crap, but I do have some success. I also order things online that are made here.
 

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You are 100% correct. If people would try doing something called research, onnnn, oh I don't know, the computer, they could find plenty that is made here. ALSO, maybe look at labels when they go into a store. I do it all the time, not always easy to find and sometimes I have to suck it up and deal with it and by china crap, but I do have some success. I also order things online that are made here.

Even if you buy something labeled "Made in the USA", it may just mean that it was assembled or finished here... but the content used to make it may be from somewhere else, i.e., individual parts or components.
 

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Interesting results in the first day of men's hockey. Denmark upset the Czechs 2-1 and Russia, who I believe became the heavy favorite to repeat as gold medalists once the NHL backed out only beat Switzerland 1-0. USA opens against China at 8:10 tomorrow (Thursday) morning Eastern time in what should be a cakewalk of a game if we expect to take home a medal.
 

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You are 100% correct. If people would try doing something called research, onnnn, oh I don't know, the computer, they could find plenty that is made here. ALSO, maybe look at labels when they go into a store. I do it all the time, not always easy to find and sometimes I have to suck it up and deal with it and by china crap, but I do have some success. I also order things online that are made here.

Yep, I'm not political about it, but I'm really sick of cheap Chinese-made ****, especially those hot garbage knockoff brands that pollute the Internet.

Worth looking around for better quality stuff built here ...or Germany, Japan, Australia and other Not China's.

Chinese stuff is fine, even better for select things, if a reputable company is hands-on about design, engineering and QC, but too much of it is disposable garbage.
 

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Yep, I'm not political about it, but I'm really sick of cheap Chinese-made ****, especially those hot garbage knockoff brands that pollute the Internet.

Worth looking around for better quality stuff built here ...or Germany, Japan, Australia and other Not China's.

Chinese stuff is fine, even better for select things, if a reputable company is hands-on about design, engineering and QC, but too much of it is disposable garbage.
the market as a whole has spoken...they'd rather have cheap crap that has a lower initial price tag than pay more for something that will last longer.
 

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Lol. Are we supposed to be free market or not?
Free market for United States companies manufacturing inside the United States. Protectionist regarding foreign companies and imports. Right now there's nothing "free" about our free market. Companies have endless restrictions and regulations when they manufacture inside the United States and face almost no penalties when they manufacture outside of the United States (using what amounts to slave labor).
 
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Free market for United States companies manufacturing inside the United States. Protectionist regarding foreign companies and imports. Right now there's nothing "free" about our free market. Companies have endless restrictions and regulations when they manufacture inside the United States and face almost no penalties when they manufacture outside of the United States (using what amounts to slave labor).
Still just boils down to... do we want cheap **** or not? Also... we'll never be able to compete against low cost mfg countries. Once that ship has sailed, we need to move on to the next thing. Otherwise it's a race to the bottom... and their bottom is much lower than ours. Goal should be to innovate at home, be first mover in selling the goods, and once the market matures and other countries start to catch up... move on to the next innovation. That, and tax the multinationals appropriately to discourage them from offshoring their profits and IP.
 
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