OT: Franklin Canned!!!

kupuna133

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If the Pegulas are involved in the buyout, I’d argue the opposite. I hadn’t heard of them so I looked up a few articles. Their donations helped the Penn state hockey team go from club level to frozen four in a little over a decade. All speculation at this point but if they helped cover the buyout, I would say the athletic department is in good shape there
You didn’t know the Pegulas? They own the bills , sabres, minor league organizations and professional lacrosse teams.
 

MADHAT1

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She’s not the AD anymore. Pat Kraft is the PSU AD since 2022
My Bad on AD, read what you stated, went and looked for dirt but could only find good things being said about Kraft .
Feel the coach another Kraft hired at New England won't be in the running but possibly the current Cornhusker HC might be on the short list since Pat Kraft hired him as Temple's HC and he did a good enough job there to get poached by Baylor then after a failed NFL gig came back to the college game and has turned Nebraska's football around and has their fanbase thinking of the Tom Osborn days
 
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Texted buddy who played at PSU in the 90’s and this is what he’s hearing.
Penn State alum D’Anton Lynn.
Defensive coordinator from USC but just ru
Highly doubt it. No way. They’ll go for a current HC. This isn’t a “learn on the job” opportunity.
 

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When will you guys get it that no money ≠ no competitive wins.

Look at Colorado, BYU, Pitt. Then compare them to OSU, Georgia, Indiana.

The sport is rigged. It'd be better to take our small wins while we can than fire someone who's consistent and go back to being an FCS level team. You're not beating NFL ready athletes, top tier coaching and facilities, refs, and other funded teams activities with bottom tier revenue streams.

Alabama will always be dominant. PSU will never get over the hump. The money is just too much to beat.
True. Rutgers has so little money compared to Penn State that they will always be at a disadvantage.
 
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Crazy how fast it all turned sour.


From article you linked:

"The revenue-sharing era, when top programs are paying well in excess of $20.5 million to their players, that’s an even more expensive hit. The new economics of the sport should make contracts of the length and security afforded to Franklin a thing of the past—if presidents and athletic directors have the spine to stand up for fiscal sanity."
 

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The bills would be the only ones that would register for me and I’ve not heard of them, no.
Okay very popular name in the sports, business, energy world. The name gets tossed around here all the time. Especially when referencing the desire for Rutgers to start a d1 hockey program. Plus daughter is a world class tennis player.
 

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I’ve said it here before..too much OPM (other people’s money)…no one runs things like it’s their own money on the line…if it goes to hell, not my problem I’m long gone

 
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Okay very popular name in the sports, business, energy world. The name gets tossed around here all the time. Especially when referencing the desire for Rutgers to start a d1 hockey program. Plus daughter is a world class tennis player.
That would explain it, hockey and tennis are nowhere near my radar
 
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Unbelievable use of money, at a state university no less. Imagine the smell of that happened here
Don’t have to worry about that happening here. But if anything like that happened here there would be rioting in the streets. **** I still remember the girl sitting at center court of the RAC protesting something.
 
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I noticed that and also understand that they come to a school that isn't put winning first.
LSU was all about winning since the Paul Dietzel "Chinese Bandits " days,
So Tate and Zinn had a fanbase they could work with to have a top program
Penn State was all about winning over anything and everything once Joe Paterno replaced Rip Engle.
Penn State has a fanbase that expects big wins because nothing else matters
I just was pointing out the Rutgers fanbase is the opposite of LSU & PSU.

I was just pointing out
Rutgers fans will *****, moan and complain about Schiano not being a good HC and needs to go
but unlike the PSU ($50mil) and LSU ( Ed Orgeron's $18.7 mil) fanbases the RU fanbase never finds enough funds to help dump the" bastard "


Rutgers fan base doesn't put up the funds so RU can send Greg packing , but whines like it does.

Nothing personal, it's not just you but 90% (It seems) of TKR members who want Greg gone don;t adress that fact.

But I understand Rutgers won't do that because the fanbase won't help fund his ouster.

Yup
 

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From article you linked:

"The revenue-sharing era, when top programs are paying well in excess of $20.5 million to their players, that’s an even more expensive hit. The new economics of the sport should make contracts of the length and security afforded to Franklin a thing of the past—if presidents and athletic directors have the spine to stand up for fiscal sanity."
THIS
 
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Knight Shift

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He's too busy running his short term rentals:

 

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My post was more about a program holding a coach to a standard.
Up until when Pres Tate and Keli Zinn were hired, the only standard Rutgers seemed to know was giving extensions and raises for mediocrity.
In case you have not noticed, Tate and Zinn came from a school that takes winning seriously.
Greg's paid 6.5 million and coaches games and preps players like he's paid a million but its the cheap fans that is the reason he can't beat many teams with a pulse with even average consistency. ( that was a build on your post not a reply to u)
 
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It's got to be killing Greg that he's not even in the conversation to replace him.
Why ? He gets paid millions here without any expectations. At PSU he’d be fired 3 years before his current contract here ends, not even counting the extension he’s going to get to 2035. His pay at RU is essentially a gift.
 
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Why ? He gets paid millions here without any expectations. At PSU he’d be fired 3 years before his current contract here ends, not even counting the extension he’s going to get to 2035. His pay at RU is essentially a gift.
Yeah but his approach to the game would go perfect with their uniforms. No?
 

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Seems like Rhule (PSU) would have to pay 5M to buy him out of his Nebraska deal….which isn’t a big hurdle considering lol.

They just hired Knowles at 3M/yr for 3 years too. Kotelnicki is owed 2M/yr for 2 more years as well. So that’s probably another 10M for the 2 coordinators less mitigations from future employment.

Wonder if they might not look at another OSU DC but this time for HC. Matt Patricia has done wonders for the OSU defense this year and has been a HC before, albeit in the NFL.

 
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So why keep trying to play big time football when you don't have big time $$$$. That may be something will have to consider if the next 3-4 years.
Indiana fans might have said the same a few years ago.
But they found the right man for the job after years of disappointment with only a couple of nice years to keep them going..
Hoosiers Football
 
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This was the peak of gluttony; for years in the late 2010s and into the 2020s, agents regularly fleeced athletic directors with preposterous long-term deals with outrageous amounts of guaranteed money.

Five years ago, when sports shut down during the COVID-19 pandemic and everyone on every college campus was panicking about revenue generation and expenditures, my colleague Chris Vannini and I spoke to several athletic directors and even some coaching agents who hoped that the financial crisis would lead to a recalibration of coaching contracts — and schools’ willingness to pay massive buyouts. Some theorized that contracts could be structured smarter from the schools’ perspective, with smaller base pay and incentives to ensure that big payments came with actual on-field success. Or, perhaps in the transfer portal era, coaches could simply have shorter contracts; long-term deals have long been used for recruiting, to show that the head coach would be there for the duration of a recruit’s time on campus. That’s not necessary in an era of player transience.
 

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If you say so. Joke is on Shelby. The “given his history there” thought seems unnecessary if he was only trying to be sarcastic.
Shelby - Cheese is a big fan and has very similar views as Shelby on the program. I wasn't serious, but posted it because there are definitely Schiano fan-boys who think this way.
 

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Why ? He gets paid millions here without any expectations. At PSU he’d be fired 3 years before his current contract here ends, not even counting the extension he’s going to get to 2035. His pay at RU is essentially a gift.
Because it was his dream job. And in an alternative universe, there's a Greg Schiano that stayed with Ohio State in 2019, spent an additional six years there, and is currently being begged to take the Penn State job.
 

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This was the peak of gluttony; for years in the late 2010s and into the 2020s, agents regularly fleeced athletic directors with preposterous long-term deals with outrageous amounts of guaranteed money.

Five years ago, when sports shut down during the COVID-19 pandemic and everyone on every college campus was panicking about revenue generation and expenditures, my colleague Chris Vannini and I spoke to several athletic directors and even some coaching agents who hoped that the financial crisis would lead to a recalibration of coaching contracts — and schools’ willingness to pay massive buyouts. Some theorized that contracts could be structured smarter from the schools’ perspective, with smaller base pay and incentives to ensure that big payments came with actual on-field success. Or, perhaps in the transfer portal era, coaches could simply have shorter contracts; long-term deals have long been used for recruiting, to show that the head coach would be there for the duration of a recruit’s time on campus. That’s not necessary in an era of player transience.

Surprised to see this in print: "Some theorized that contracts could be structured smarter from the schools’ perspective, with smaller base pay and incentives to ensure that big payments came with actual on-field success."

Talk is cheap, and action is difficult. Any coach with any confidence in their abilities should be willing to agree to a base of $4M (or $5M), and for each win over 6, an additional $1M- that would provide $10-11 million for 12 wins, and incentives could be built in for additional guaranteed years.
 

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Shelby - Cheese is a big fan and has very similar views as Shelby on the program. I wasn't serious, but posted it because there are definitely Schiano fan-boys who think this way.
Ha. Shelby didn’t pick up on that. No harm done. No need for granting Shelby a do-over like Grifter Greg gave Illinois.
 
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Because it was his dream job. And in an alternative universe, there's a Greg Schiano that stayed with Ohio State in 2019, spent an additional six years there, and is currently being begged to take the Penn State job.
Got it. Yes it could only be in an alternate universe because in this one he’s a losing football coach.
 
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