OT: Alec Baldwin killed someone on the set.
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It could have been a blank and it still would be dangerous.
Jon-Erik Hexum accidentally committed suicide on the set of an 80s tv show when he fired a blank to his head.
Jon-Erik Hexum accidentally committed suicide on the set of an 80s tv show when he fired a blank to his head.
I have to guess that anyone who brought live rounds on the set would be fired. Instantly. No excuse for having the real stuff there.
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sometimes when you’re constantly an ******* online, it comes back to bite you in real life.
sometimes when you’re constantly an ******* online, it comes back to bite you in real life.
Brandon Lee died because the idiot in charge of guns didn't know how a cartridge worked. He removed the powder from a cartridge and the gun was discharged this way. The bullet was lodged into the barrel after this. The same weapon was then loaded with a blank. It was fired at Lee, but a blank with a bullet in the barrel is about the same as a live round.
Hollywood needs better regulation of prop firearms. There's no certifications required from the people who are in charge of loading and maintaining them. The actors should also have to take a forty hour course each year on prop firearm safety, especially since they'll be aiming them at other people.
When I was in the Marine Corps we used flash compressors when we trained with blanks. That is pure gun powder coming out.
blanks have wadding ... at close range the wadding can be deadly until distance allows it to disperse. Hollywood just doesn't know it's firearms - like a pistol shooting a telegraph wire down or a rifle shooting a rope into. If Hollywood worried more about gun safety and education and less about trying to get rid of guns then things like this wouldn't happen.
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I don’t understand how one was killed and another was injured. Were they both hit by the same round, and if not why was a second shot fired after someone was shot/injured/killed by the first round?
I'm not sure if they have said what type of firearm was used or not. All blanks have either a wad or packing to produce the pressure needed for recoil. Military rifles use a crimped necked casing with a muzzle device to create back pressure to so the action will cycle.
If they were using shotguns period full brass shotgun rounds were being used. Those shells have waxed cardboard wadding rather than a plastic wad. At short range these could surely be deadly. Always remember the golden rules of gun safety & I imagine none of the individuals were ever tough these rules.
Always treat a gun as if it is load unless you have ensured otherwise.
Do not point a gun at anything you do not intend to destroy.
Be sure of you target, what is in front of it and behind it.
Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire.
If they were using shotguns period full brass shotgun rounds were being used. Those shells have waxed cardboard wadding rather than a plastic wad. At short range these could surely be deadly. Always remember the golden rules of gun safety & I imagine none of the individuals were ever tough these rules.
Always treat a gun as if it is load unless you have ensured otherwise.
Do not point a gun at anything you do not intend to destroy.
Be sure of you target, what is in front of it and behind it.
Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire.
I figured insurance would dictate that they have dedicated folks on set to handle firearms. I've heard before that the armorer/gun prop guy will clear and load guns with the actor/director present and watching and it's all tightly controlled. But I just read that this particular movie has a budget of less than $6 million. Sounds like corners were cut.
I don’t want to start a pissing match, this is an honest question. Do you think the same should be applied to anyone that buys a firearm?
I've never aimed my pistol at someone, intentionally or unintentionally. I also only ever use live ammunition and know that if I were to aim my weapon and discharge it toward someone else, I likely will cause serious injury or death (unless I miss). Guns used as props are often aimed or discharged towards people, whether it's other actors or towards the camera (and people behind the camera). There's a completely different set of circumstances surrounding how they are used and training should focus on those. Namely, how to identify when a firearm is clear and safe. How to load such a weapon with blanks/prop ammunition. How to recognize blanks and other prop ammunition. Hearing protection when using prop firearms. Safe discharge distances for different weapons and ammunition types. Having all stakeholders present when loading the weapons (director, production firearms expert, actor using the weapon, actor or personnel in the direction weapon will be discharged). How to check the firearm after it's discharged. The list goes on.
well the guy made fun of Cheney for accidentally shooting the guy he was quail hunting with. He has made multiple tweets of people “that should be shot”. He eviscerated that woman cop that pulled her service weapon instead of a taser. He butts in and demands accountability in any officer involved shooting that hits the news.
So why is this guy off limits?
What I can’t figure out is if it accidentally discharged or if it was intentionally discharged but accidentally fired a live round. Also, was it pointed by Baldwin toward the ones who were shot? Anyone know?
If their job is to oversee a multitude of weapons that are pointed at each other and fired multiple times a day….. then absolutely.
Gun safety Rule #1: regardless of whether the gun is loaded or unloaded, never point the gun at a person and always keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.
Doesn't everyone know this?
My question is why do they make prop guns in the exact same caliber as real guns? Yes, I know prop guns can kill you with a blank but, if you made the prop gun slightly off caliber, you couldn't shove a 9mm, .38 or .45 in it when nobody was looking or by mistake.
My dad started carrying me hunting when I was 6 and that was always rule #1 and after all these years it's still #1 .
One involves actual guns with real life big boy ammo that everyone knows is intended to be used to hurt something.
One involves what should have been a prop gun with blanks that everyone knows is for pretend and is intended to be used for acting.
When someone shoots a hunting partner with a real gun using bullets = dumbass.
When someone shoots an actor with a prop gun that should hold blanks = tragedy.
I'm a lifetime NRA member. I'm the guy that if the FBI ever raids my house there will be an article in tomorrow's paper about a gun nut with over a hundred guns removed from the streets for public safety so I'll answer your question. Yes, you should have to have training in gun safety before you ever purchase your first gun. I learned to handle a gun from my father. I can remember going out in the back yard and practice crossing a barb wire fence. Approach the fence, unload the gun, hand the gun over the fence and prop it against a tree or post, never the wire fence, cross the fence, and reload the gun. I might have to do it ten times before my father was satisfied. A lot a people who are buying guns today learned to handle a gun on a video game, that concerns me. You have to take classes and pass a test to drive a car and there are still people on the road with zero business behind the wheel. A gun has great power and with great power comes great responsibility. I don't know the particulars of Baldwins accident but I'd bet at least part of it stems from ignorance of handling a gun and common sense gun safety that I learned as a child.
Dumbass?? Can’t be an accident?
He pointed a real gun at someone… prop gun or not… at someone and pulled the trigger. Without checking the gun himself first. That = dumb *** according to the thinking presented. Not tragedy.
What is a huge anti-firearm guy making movies glorifying outlaws with firearms anyway?????
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