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Have you seen him in person? I didn't see that. I thought he hustled the best of a mans ability at that size...now when we took quick shots by both teams and stuff sped up yea he can't catch up he might as well stand at mid court!! Lmao ..gotta play slow with him ..maybe he'll be in better shape next year
Why did Giles play then lol....he couldn't stay in front of my mom..yea he scored but in ways Jeter would score ..and easily could have been bolden ..he'll why play Jeter ..nvm... I'd play him because I saw flashes of his rebounding and ..yea he might get lost on d but I saw flashes of his just raw shot locking ability ...imo our d wouldn't have been worse ..no way or our O. how many times did we go to amile late in the year? We might as well just put our 2 best rebounders out there and let our guards shoot 3s haahah
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Seemed like we went to amile early and after that forgot about him ..wierd he had pretty good footwork ..and tbh amile looked lost at times and lazy..and arguing instead of getting back j/s I wasn't as high on him this year as some..great kid though..I think amile wore down ..hell the team did ...why our fast break was nonexistent !
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Our two best rebounders did play- Amile and Tatum. I'd ask you the same thing- would you play Harry over Bolden? Based on what you saw? I saw a guy who hustled his *** off and who got better as the year progressed. His energy was great all of the time. I thought he played well with Amile, and honestly I'd argue he could have played more than he did.
Your comment below about Amile is definitely true- he should have gotten a lot more touches throughout the game than he did.
Tatum was a hell of a rebounder!...I'd simply give bolden more PT is all I'm saying ..simple as I can put it..knowing what I know now about harry and how this turned out yes I would have gave a lot of his PT to bolden ...would I have done that at the beginning no probally not..harry Giles reaching his potential would always be in my mind..if he did omg..but bolden could have still gotten good minutes
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Jeter could argue well I'm better on d and offer no less on O why is harry playing in front of me...maybe why he transferred ..not saying i blame k at all .. I would have done the same j/s ..easier to say stuff now that we know the outcome ...harry did improve
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Nice post and I especially agree w/you about the defense. I sometimes wonder if it correlates to the one and done philosophy, and the studs are not fully invested into buying in. We also lost a pretty good little bulldog of an assistant and defensive ace in Wojo...
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You do realize that Harry averages only 11mpg right? So saying you'll give him his minutes doesn't really do a whole lot. Basically it's saying I prefer Bolden over Harry and if that's the case we disagree and that's fine. Either way only 7 men play in that scenario and I think your point is that more guys should have been part of the rotation and on that point I agree. I think I'd opt for Vrank over Bolden from what I saw this year.
What's interesting about the one and done is the margin for error is so thin because you usually get one shot to win it before the core of your talent leaves. K has less time to spend coaching and developing guys over 2-3 years to become contributors.
Whereas Roy's dimished recruiting success has allowed him to help his guys get better and build a little bit.
I see why certain guys don't get burn at UK or Duke if they don't catch on quickly.
Whereas Roy's dimished recruiting success has allowed him to help his guys get better and build a little bit.
I see why certain guys don't get burn at UK or Duke if they don't catch on quickly.
At that point I did too! lol big frank flashes! I'm no coach I'm a potato ..don't pay no mind to me
Exactly better be good and ready before U get here..my dream was always to go to Duke though so I see why some do it then realizes the want to play more ..hell I would sit the bench !
inmeant I'd prefer bolden over Giles knowing how this ended ...but I also would have gave amile more rest and played bolden ..y is that an issue a lot feel that way..a lot predicted this from the. Beginning also that this would hurt us in march and it did.tbh a lot of what people were begging for happened ..just too late ..well other then bolden..injuries hurt us imo ! K kinda figured out our team a little to late..had we been healthy I think we beat SC too..just crap luck year nothing went right! Idk y we thought that would change in march..hopefully thornhill hits a 3 at the end to beat UNC!! Ahahah I'll die!!! Make it over maye in front of Roy ..after they mop up a premature confedi release from a berry shot with further review still 1 sec left boom!!!! Ahahah..then the. NCAA hammers a. Nail takes away 2 titles Knox commits to us ..we cut down the nets next year ..Roy retires..the end ..o we get Zion.....
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I don't think this post is getting the discussion it deserves. I'd start simply by saying it's a matter of style of play, versus matchups given. Then if add, that in the same span of time, we've more national titles than anyone. So another question to ask is do we prefer national title or bust, or the consolation prize of getting to the Elite Eight or Final Four?
For the level of the program we are and how much talent we are suppose to have I think we should be in the elite eight every year at the minimum. I wouldn't trade a ship for anything but we underachiever too much I feel. But then you got poor Kansas that never gets anything and they have good talent too
Can't we have it all?...jk
I think it's maybe a more serious question than you intended. Obviously, you never trade the titles but I'd also concede that we're legitimately title worthy (using the term loosely) less often than say KU or even UNC.
I don't say this to disparage the program but just to reiterate how blessed it is to root for a program able to achieve such excellence however intermittent or fleeting it may feel to the fans.
With that said I'd love another ACC regular season title some time soon but will cherish the tourney crown for now. It was a great flourish in an otherwise trying season.
Nah I'd rather have a trophy and a banner for winning the ACC then a fake title like Carolina has
We've struggled some in the NCAAT as a whole. None of us will argue. Even still, we've been more successful than any other program since the turn of the century. And Elite Eight minimum? That's pretty ridiculous.
Well, sadly they've won a ton of the fake ones just since Roy took over... I'd gladly settle somewhere in the middle there.
Regular season title? You sound like a Heel fan. Duke is the ACC Champion. Not regular season or tournament but THE ACC CHAMPION, the only one this year.
And we ran into a bad match up during the tournament. South Carolina beat us but I think if we switch UNC and Duke bracket, UNC loses 2nd round and we're in the elite 8 guaranteed. Maybe we make it further, maybe we don't but I wouldn't switch places with any other school.
I could care less about the regular season title ..it's short lived..name the last 5 ..without thinking to hard..lol ..the tourneys all I care about that and beating Carolina ..2/3 pretty good ...everybody knows now that it's not all about playing good teams every night beating the chit out of each other and having the advantage in march ...you can get wore down ..just like pretty much the whole acc did ...imo ..that and the style of play changed drastically not in our favor..I agree with who said if us and UNC switch they lose in round 2 and we're at least playing Kentucky ....which should have been what happen !!!!' We got hosed and our bad luck continued having to play a final four team at home in round 2...while getting hosed by the refs while Carolina has a cupcake schedule .and should have lost in round 2..like they had all year lol na but yea...easier then ours ..we should have won though we got outplayed ..but we have a bunch this year and still won .
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They really set UNC up pretty good this year on that side imo ...biggest challenge was a team that took a player 47 points to beat them without pinson ...then play injured Oregon ....lmao na I'm just being a sorry loser having little fun but foreal ! Everybody hates us...makes it that much sweeter when we win though that a positive
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Ridiculous with a top class every single year? I don't think so. If UK doesn't make the final four ever year they're pissed and we're supposedly recruiting the same or better than them.
Did I say anything about points? I said defensive struggles. I'm aware of how Mason played in the eleven games leading up to toe-gate. Duke lost most their games because they couldn't stop my grandma five feet from the basket.
5 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS. let's take 2 of those away and get rid of the Lehigh and Mercer losses, change those to Elite 8 runs. Ummmm no freaking thanks. This is silly.
These aren't best of 5 or 7 game series, it's one and done. Winning a national championship is very very tough to accomplish. You have to match up well against so many good teams and so many styles of play. Kentucky has suffered some early losses and they have gone to the NIT during Cal's run. And they have only cut down the final net once, just once. Is one or two more tournament wins on average more important than sacrificing all the regular season success and national championships, to me it's a hell no. Again if there were other teams out there having more success than us year in and year out you may get me to bite, but it's simply not the case.
I get it, it's tough watching back to back Carolina runs, but they didn't win it last year and there is no guarantee they win it this year. And no matter how much BS we get from clowns down the street we still consistently whoop their *** head to head and it's killing them inside. Let's rally around the ducks or whoever makes it to the finals, knock these scrubs out and watch them come to the realization that they get nothing
I get it, it's tough watching back to back Carolina runs, but they didn't win it last year and there is no guarantee they win it this year. And no matter how much BS we get from clowns down the street we still consistently whoop their *** head to head and it's killing them inside. Let's rally around the ducks or whoever makes it to the finals, knock these scrubs out and watch them come to the realization that they get nothing
This is an extremely black and white take which it often is not. I agree that I wish we had some more success rather than the early round exits we have had. On the flip side, if we don't make the final four, what difference does it make. I don't sleep better knowing we went to the sweet 16 with that group last year. I don't sleep worse knowing the Austin rivers or Jabari teams lose in the first round. I definitely think about had 2013 team that got a ****** draw against Louisville when I felt like Duke and they were the two best teams in the country and yet somehow slated in the same bracket. I think about 98 when we blew a huge lead against UK in wojos senior year. To me, if you get to the final four that's the accomplishment. So much depends on matchups- it does. UNC has a cake walk to the elite 8 before they play a worthy opponent. Congrats to them for beating that opponent to make it to the final four which is always an accomplishment no matter who your opponent is. If I'm UK though, I don't look at them and say you had a better year because you got to the elite 8. we both won our leagues we both didn't make the final four. Is what it is.
Well I'm with you pisgah. Sure I'm ecstatic about our national championships but I'm equally disgusted with our flame outs that occur way too often.
I'm under the same impression... Losing in the final four or the first weekend is the exact same thing, you lost. We hang banners for championships, not participating in certain rounds. I love how everyone is mentioning Kentucky and not Kansas. 14 out of the last 15 years they have been big 12 champions... 1 NCAA championship in the last 15 years. I would not trade Dukes tournament success for anything.
Since 2000 we've been to 3 National Championships, we won 3. Our friends down the road have to 3 National championships since 2000, lost 1. Very likely they go back this year, if they lose then good.
Personally, the 2013-2014 season was the biggest let down. I still cant understand how a 1 2 punch of Hood and Parker get stopped. Probably because our next "big" man averaged 6.5 points a game (Amile). That roster was perfect for a deep run.
Since 2000 we've been to 3 National Championships, we won 3. Our friends down the road have to 3 National championships since 2000, lost 1. Very likely they go back this year, if they lose then good.
Personally, the 2013-2014 season was the biggest let down. I still cant understand how a 1 2 punch of Hood and Parker get stopped. Probably because our next "big" man averaged 6.5 points a game (Amile). That roster was perfect for a deep run.
Settle down guys, everything will work out. We won a national championship 24 months ago! If Heels lose Sat or Mon their season will be a disappointment as well.
Kentucky blew an undefeated season in '15 & suffered another E8 buzzer beater. It could be worse.
Kentucky blew an undefeated season in '15 & suffered another E8 buzzer beater. It could be worse.
You can't be serious that you're and I'm taking you at your word here are equally ecstatic and disgusted on both. It is so incredibly hard to win it all. That should trump any other feeling even if we flame out of the tourney five straight years
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That team couldn't get a stop to save their life unfortunately. Really liked that team to be honest but the lack of a big man inside ended up killing us.
That team couldn't get a stop to save their life unfortunately. Really liked that team to be honest but the lack of a big man inside ended up killing us.
Maybe not equally but very close. With the talent we have had and the best coach in he business, we shouldn't be getting bumped in the first weekend consistently. I know it's very difficult to win it all but we should make it past the first weekend way more than we have recently.
I take some solace knowing that 1). We won the freaking ACC Tournament with 4 quality wins in 4 days. And 2). We lost essentially a road game in the NCAA's to a Final Four team. How many teams would have defeated SC in Columbia where 90% of the crowd was vehemently rooting against them? Not many.