Man I'm just nervous for next year at the moment. From reading this board Giles, Bolden, Luke, Grayson and now Frank all seem likely to leave. That leaves Duke with basically nobody starting with any real college experience and I don't recall that ever happening here. So it is uncharted territory and just don't know how that will play out.
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I didn't either but you honestly think he didn't try in practice? If this was a one time thing sure but it happens almost like clockwork. Either we are terrible at scouting guys for the Duke system or something else is going on
Here is a question for those that think multi year players are the way to go for Duke. How did the years from 2005-2009 work out for Duke? Did they win any titles or go to the Final 4? Obviously OAD was not around then but you know what I saw on here a lot? This was the general question Why isn't Duke recruiting the really talented players. This was another popular statement "You can't win without talent." Duke missed on countless players such as Kenny Boynton, Patrick Patterson, Greg Monroe, Jon Brockman, John Wall and many others. Another statement was "Coach K just can't recruit like he used to".
I get that people are upset but these early round flame teams had flaws and issues. 2012 Duke had an injury late in the year and chemistry issues. Jabari Parker's year Duke had no center that could contribute. Ingram''s year was a rebuilding year given what Duke lost from the Title year. This year Duke lacked a Point Guard. People can argue and say an inside presence but not having a PG really hurt this group. Just my thoughts
I get that people are upset but these early round flame teams had flaws and issues. 2012 Duke had an injury late in the year and chemistry issues. Jabari Parker's year Duke had no center that could contribute. Ingram''s year was a rebuilding year given what Duke lost from the Title year. This year Duke lacked a Point Guard. People can argue and say an inside presence but not having a PG really hurt this group. Just my thoughts
I've yet to see anyone want only 4 year players. I you can mix them that's fantastic. And 2010 was 4 year guys btw and we've flamed out every other year weve had one and dones not with 15 lol. This year should of been a nice mix but it wasn't and next year would be too if Luke and gray was staying but apprently aren't
I am stunned too. I didn't think we'd go undefeated but I thought we would be a shoein for ACC title, the #1 overall seed and unless a miracle took place a lock for arizona. This season didn't turn out like I thought at all. But it was one thing after another for a long period of time and it was always negative. This group battled uphill all year. But none of them gave up, they all came together, had a ridiculous run in the ACC tourney and only lost to what materialized to be a very tough team. I am proud of this group and what they accomplished even if they didn't live up to preseason expectations.
I am disappointed in a few specific areas. We didn't land a true point guard or at least one that remained on our roster this year. Seems like a miss by our staff. I am disappointed in the fact that we got very little out of our group of centers not named Amile. I don't know if that is coaching or player related but it was a disappointment. However I don't blame K because he didn't play enough players, everyone got their chance and no one made the most of their opportunity. Amile earned his time and played his *** off this year. Lastly I was disappointed in our defense. We had players that got beat bad on a nightly basis and even though we out scored a lot of teams we eventually ran into a tough defensive minded team that gave us fits and that same team played winning basketball when it mattered.
Don't say that you'll get people upset LOL! You can't even pose a question on here without a certain one or two acting like you're not a fan
We only played two OADs the majority of the year. Frank was a true freshman that will be back. The others- two seniors, one of a 5th year. Another a senior. Another a junior. And another a sophomore with tons of experience. This whole fallacy that we settled and only played one and domes this year and that's why we lost Is not accurate.
Not trying to attack you.
But that depends on what stat you want to look at. There are arguably only 2 schools that rely on one and done players to a large degree and hundreds that do not. Now when you look at number of titles won versus chances, the one and done route looks like the way to go versus the alternative.
That's really interesting that you blame everything on OAD's the year Duke went out early? Those teams had more issues then just them. Whose fault were the years from 2005-2009? Scheyer, Thomas, Paulus? Singler?
I mean I get it what posters say, Duke lacked a true pg. ok, Jackson was a pg but played better as a combo.
If Duval does come and Duke has Carter, Jackson, Trent , one of Allen or Kennard, and possibly even Knox there is still only one ball.
Duval is a scoring pg so if Duke struggles on rebounding and protecting the rim are the problems still the same as this season?
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How did Mason Plumlee play and look when Kyrie Irving played those games at Duke vs when Irving went down? I believe his points went down because of not having that PG who by the was a scoring PG in my view
How did Mason Plumlee play and look when Kyrie Irving played those games at Duke vs when Irving went down? I believe his points went down because of not having that PG who by the was a scoring PG in my view
Frank likely to leave?!! Am I missing something here? U are starting to make me nervous now. I thought for sure Frank would be back.
That is not true at all. Back and forth is quite healthy for the board. But when people start asking whether Duke is Duke anymore or question the coaching philosophies that have brought so much success to this program I take issue. I think it's ludicrous to cherish the memories of so many great Duke teams and then criticize the very manner in which they became great. I think many, including you have great passion for this program. But other times many are too quick to criticize and it's always in ridiculous extremes.
I don't think we'll ever be on say a uncs level of rebounding or protecting the rim or whatever ..or Kentucky past..we dont recruit those guys ..or play them at least..we win by scoring, being efficient, 3s , and turning guys over occasionally ..we'll at least for a while that's how it's been
Ok lol I'm just tired of leaving before the sweet 16 a top team doesn't only go past the 16 5 times In 17 years.. we've had great teams that didn't do well in the tourney but the level we get bounced early is sad. I just want a solution. I hope and pray next year we are the third team to in with one and dones nothing would make me happier but when things are clearly not what they should be it's ok to ask questions
I hope you're right timo. That is the latest and greatest rumor not only here but other places. I would be William Avery shocked if he is leaving though.
Why do people continue to say things like "we don't play a certain player"...have you people ever thought he isn't playing for a reason? Geez
Just because a guy is a top 20 high school player by some so called expert this doesn't mean he is a top 20 player....it's all an opinion by a certain person
Just because a guy is a top 20 high school player by some so called expert this doesn't mean he is a top 20 player....it's all an opinion by a certain person
There are a few you should pay close attention to when they relay tidbits, Timo is one of them.
I have no inside information but I'm guessing there is a staff of coaches in Durham that are just as frustrated and are giving serious thought as to how to get better. We may go out early from time to time, but we are always in it. That means for the first 30+ games we are doing quite a bit of winning. We are not perfect, but we are pretty damn good year in and year out. I can't urge our fans enough to not take that for granted.
K is getting later in his career and coaches do have a prime just like players j/s ..I'm certain he'll win at least 1 more before he hangs it up though.Ibe never second guessed k until recent years ..even when we won! That says it all there though! Lol
However - Duke recruited them and gave them a scholarship - its on the staff if a player cannot contribute. They scouted them.
I've been there - a D1 coach who had to make these decisions ( different sport though) They arent made lightly and it isnt a gamble. You offer players who can contribute and fill holes in your squad...you dont give full rides to practice players. I dont believe that players of the quality we have on the bench are lolligagging it in practice - they want to play and probably go all out. PT is the Coaching staffs choice.
I'd take a few early season losses to develop more depth...a win in December is worth nothing...a loss developing the team is priceless.
Considering the responses on this thread I am having a hard time believing some of you guys have even played organized basketball in middle school at least. You EARN playing time. No matter what level, if you're not good enough you do not play in games. It is harder to earn playing time on good teams, Bolden never got use to college basketball speed. Honestly, I do not believe Bolden is that good right now. He is just athletic, Vrank is better than him right now.
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Gotta feeling ks gonna hang it up sooner then people think. maybe even next year ..he's not the type of guy that's gonna give 75% just to coach ..he's gonna go out on top ..if we win no more he's still the goat imo..
It's not that simple. You earn time and you earn coach's trust. There is no rule that a player has to leave after one year. If Marques comes back I would be willing to bet he would get even more opportunities to make an impact. We preach about how we want to develop guys and then we criticize the coach when he doesn't hand out minutes like Halloween candy. Amile didn't play huge minutes in his first year. But he stuck with it worked his butt off and became a heavy minute guy later in his career. Nothing is stopping Marques from doing the same. If he leaves it's because he was hell bent on being a one and done and doesn't want to stick around long enough to earn his minutes. As some have said its not for everyone but it's how Duke operates and I'm fine with it.
Remember the Miami game where Marques played excellent defense? If memory serves me correct he started the next game, the results were much different. He got his chances, he didn't prove enough yet. He has 3 years left, he can use any or none of them as he so desires.
Luke Maye has been getting tick since last year. Marquess Bolden has Zero skill lol. He is a good prospect, but he has no back to basket game, can not shoot, can not play defense without fouling, gets lost on defense. Lol, Why would K give him burn again? Luke Maye came in with a high basketball IQ that Bolden does not and can shoot it. Bolden is just an athlete right now.
And once again you earn PT in practice not because you were a top 20 HS player
And you like me know nothing about what goes on during practice...they could lollygag in practice...we don't know
If Bolden doesn't want to fight for a spot ON the floor them good bye to him
That's the problem these days alot of kids want it handed to them instead of earning it
It's debatable. What's not debateable is that I saw Luke Maye work harder last night in one game than I saw Marques Bolden work all year....combined.
Sure, playing time maybe helped Maye be a little better /more comfortable player, but I'm going to guess and say hard work and determination played a much larger role. Call it a hunch.
Know when I'm gonna be happier. When all the departures have departed, all the new arrivals have arrived and all those who are staying stay. I'm looking forward to moving on to the next edition of Blue Devils. OFC
And anybody that has played the game knows (usually) a player is better in practice..so some are saying boldens the same or worse in practice? I'm not buying that or him lollygagimg or whatever..I'd buy not knowing the defensive concept..but even that I'm not buying our d was terrible anyway! ..am I the only one that thought he hustled in games? Ppl need to realize his size and that he can't move like a guard or an amile type..I saw flashes with him..just not getting his shot though..footwork needs major help..imo k could have played him more ..vfrank showed flashes as well ..he'll jack white hit a 3!!..no player and I mean no player can get in any type of rhythm getting yanked after 2 min..what's the point u might as well have not even played him..lol I don't get it ..makes me mad thinking about it..ks the goat though so what do I know ..I'm a couch potato
Agree especially on the part about wanting it handed to them. We get fixated that this player is a five star and that player is a three. If we should be arguing minutes distribution for anyone, id argue that Vrank, not Bolden deserved more playing time based on the little we saw.
No he can't run like a guard I doubt anyone expects him too but what I saw and this is my opinion only....was a person that didn't give much effort in the games I saw him play....looked lazy to me
I don't know if he looked lazy but he looked lost. And for psychosis statement that our defense sucked anyway- well then that even furthers why he wouldn't play. If he he can't play defense and out defense sucks why would we take out someone for a player that can't provide scoring either?