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This is so true. We need a complete remake.
Would Seth be consider3d at any other program in the big 10? Nope. Then why would we consider him. That would be a disaster. We need a coach who has been a head coach before. Seth would be continuing the program under kirksnregime.
I'd love that. But if not, then how about anybody who doesn't think punting is winning . . . anybody who understands the forward pass is legal, not just a fad . . . anyone who might be inclined to go for 4th and 2 from the opponent's 12-yard line . . . anyone who knows the difference between a QB and a stock boy . . . anybody who knows the difference between a wide receiver and an usher.
Except you left out the key to this winning formula: PUNT!
If you think so, you don't know anything about Iowa football history. You might wanna have somebody read it to you.
I like Briles, the OC at TCU. His offense is fun to watch.
Or Drinkwitz at Missouri even though he acts like a douche on the sideline always whining and crying.
Or Drinkwitz at Missouri even though he acts like a douche on the sideline always whining and crying.
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One would think so. Seems obvious by now though that he and KF have already forgotten or don't care.
Kirk did not inherit a program light years better according to Hayden who said he left the cupboard bare.
Hayden's last 10 years he had 3 losing seasons and two seasons with a tie record. Half of the last 10 years he had a non-winning record. Maybe it is not that easy to win at Iowa.
Kirk's last ten non covid years no losing seasons and 8+ wins all but 2014.
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Hayden's last 10 years he had 3 losing seasons and two seasons with a tie record. Half of the last 10 years he had a non-winning record. Maybe it is not that easy to win at Iowa.
Kirk 8+ wins 9 of 10 years and no losing seasons.
Cupboard bare? KF inherited the following players from Hayden:
Bruce Nelson
Ladell Betts
Austin Wheatley
Zeron Flemister
Kevin Kasper
Bashir Yamini
Kahlil Hill
Jared Devries
Aaron Kampman
Levar Woods
Justin Baker
All these guys played in the NFL. Those three WRs are light years better than any WR on Iowa's roster today.
There's a difference between rebuilding a roster and rebuilding a program. Fry had to rebuild a program and change an entire culture where players and fans expected to lose into one where they expected to win. KF didn't have to do that. He inherited a program that, even with a few down years here and there, was one that still expected to win.
Jared Devries graduated in 1998 while Kirk was hired December of that year. Bruce Nelson was a red shirt freshman maybe Kirk made him the football player he was.
Why use playing in the NFL we are talking college football? 1999 Kirks first year All Big 10 team Betts RB and Bowen DB, 2000 All Big 10 Kasper WR.
2024 All Big 10 includes 11 Iowa players. Three players All Big 10 in Kirks first two years. 2003 All Big 10 Kirk's 4th season at Iowa had 9 All Big 10 players including names like Hodge, Greenway, Russel, Sanders, Roth, and Gallery. There is no denying Kirk had a week roster when he became head coach as Hayden readily admitted.
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Why not? Isn't that most of the justification for KF being in the Hall of Fame nowadays?
This. When Hayden took over Iowa was a bottom feeder with 17 straight losing seasons. He changed everything. Kirk took over a Nationally known brand that needed fresh blood and new players.
Please list the players on your list that were All Big 10 other than Kasper and Betts. If not why not. Three All Big 10 in Kirk's first two years, Kirk's 4th year 9 All Big 10. Sanders and Greenway were 2 time NFL pro bowlers please list any Pro Bowlers on your list.
If you are serious list the players on Kirk's 4th year that made NFL rosters. Then compare their NFL careers most of the players you listed did little in the NFL other than Betts. Kasper 24 career catches, Flemister 38, Yaminai no stats.
And the guy who was the biggest factor in developing the guys you are touring got let go 5 years ago to be the sacrificial lamb. Meanwhile Kirk not only kept his son who was just as guilty but added QB coach to his duties.
Right. Like have a better winning percentage then Fry and start to fall off towards the end (maybe) like Fry most certainly did. Of course Fry understood how hard winning at this level is and the fans, well not so much.....
So the program that Fry kicked around back then is the same one as now? It really is amazing that people act like no one but Iowa should have improved or be better, like Iowa is in some kind of vacuum. Like him or not Campbell has done great work in Ames, certainly leaps better then any of the coaches before him since Earle Bruce. Theres a reason he being talked about like Kirk was back in 2002-2005.
I've tried for years to make these points but they go right over their heads. Hayden delighted in not only crushing bad teams but then rubbing their faces in it afterwards. (His quote after one game against either ISU or NW I believe was "I hope we didn't hurt any of your boys"). Jees, I wonder why Fitz and some coaches had it out for Iowa when they had the chance to give it back. People just don't want to go back and look at all the games against good teams where he looked just as helpless scoring points, because they liked the guy. They liked his homespun downhome Texas good ole boy deal, while Kirk is an eastener with a different understated personality and doesn't like the spotlight, while Hayden reveled in it.
I don't care as long as they don't have any ties to the current program. A fresh start
They also liked the fact that he turned a perennial losing program into a perennial winning program in a matter of a few years. Meanwhile, Kirk has turned Iowa football into a national punchline.
Good luck with that. Many of these nitwits think the next coach needs to be a spitting image of Ferentz. Why they think that, I have no idea.
Who's won more games then Fry did. So Fry gets credit for winning, and Kirk doesn't . Look I get it. Many don't like the guy. I've never argued that Kirk should hang it up. Probably should have happened a few years ago. I'm just befuddled sometimes about how people forget many of Frys later years when we didn't do crap against good teams then either and yet people keep bringing him up. Maybe if we could get the Fry from the early years, (and not the one that had the program sliding, but thats part of his resume as well, just like these last few with Kirk and the offensive struggles. We have this thread of just who would you choose to replace Kirk now, and I haven't seen a thing on there thats seems interesting or viable. Maybe its not that easy.
So you're telling us that people praise you quite often for your originality.