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Hayden played 19 non-power conference teams in out-of-conference games in 20 years. Ferentz has played 52 in 27 years.
Adding non-conference Power conference teams to conference teams, the numbers look like this:
Hayden
120-80-5 .600. conference+power conf OOC
24/19 .558 Power non conference
Ferentz
149-103 .591 Total
21-18 .538 OOC power teams
Hayden played 91.5% of his games vs power conference opponents
Ferentz has played 82.9% of his games against power conference opponents
So not only does Hayden have a better record against real opponents, he played more of them.
He did not turn Iowa Into a perennial winner Hayden's last 10 years had 5 winning seasons. Hayden had 3 losing seasons and two tied seasons. Kirk last 10 seasons 8+ wins 9 of 10 non covid years and 7-6 in the other.
When Hayden joined the Big 10 it was known as the Big 2 and little 8 for a reason. Nice that you count ISU as a power 5 school. In the 20 years Hayden played ISU these are the non-power 5 schools they lost to UNI twice, Drake, Pacific all FCS schools. Wyoming 3 times, Western Mich., and 5 others. Hayden's last 10 years ISU won 29 games.
The first 15 years Hayden played Northwestern they won 29 games or less than 2 wins per year never winning more than 4.
If you want to compare strength of schedule here is some info. Ferentz 3 top 10 schedules Fry 0, Ferentz 4 top 15 schedules Fry 2. Ferentz 6 top 20 schedules Fry 6. Hayden 0 top 10 schedules and 2 top 15.
Played real opponents Ferentz sure did check Iowa’s schedule in 2017 when it was ranked #3 in the country. The non- conference was 8-5 Wyoming, 8-5 ISU, 9-5 North Texas then we played these ranked teams #5 OSU, #7 Wisconsin, #8 PSU, #15 MSU, and #17 NW. 1999 and 2000 were also top 10 schedules. Fry no top 10 schedules.
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Last I checked ISU is and has been a member of a P5 and now P4 as long as I have been alive.
ISU has lost to FCS schools 4 times in the last 20 years as well.
As for the big 2 little 8, one could argue that's precisely what made Hayden's Iowa accomplishments so impressive. He was the one who broke that mold and this was before every conference member got a bucket load of TV$ which helped level the playing field.
Fry was certainly a big part of it but credit must also go to Mike White at Illinois who came in 1980 and in year two and three won 7 games and went to the Rose Bowl in year 4.
After watching Iowa's offense the last several years, how can any of us know what "a normal offense" even is?!
Yep, White was the next to do it. Then he dropped off pretty quickly and went to the NFL
You did some impressive research here, but like me your just beating your head against the wall. The whole Fry played more P4 P5 is moot in my opinion. Many of those schools (including in conference) were crap for so may years, and that certainly includes his dominance of ISU. KF played tougher schedules many of those years because both the conference (and yes that includes B1G west foes like Wisconsin and NW were way better for much of Kirks tenure) and ISU who is consistently WAY better then they were for almost all of Frys tenure. People don't want to hear it though because their so tired of Kirks offense.
He didn't say Fry didn't play as many P4 schools, (he said ISU LOST to a lot of non P4 schools in that time period), the point is many of them were horrible and you can include ISU for many of those years. ISU AVERAGED 2.9 wins per year in Haydens last 10 years, and NW averaged less then 2 wins a year for Haydens first 15 years. Are those really the teams that Kirk has faced?
Iowa State's offense was not that much better either. That tipped pass completion was actually tipped twice! LAF.
Iowa State had 238 yards of total offense.
Iowa State had 238 yards of total offense.
Thanks for your common sense posts. Iowa is 1-1. Football is a tough game and Iowa has never been a powerhouse. Iowa Football has had some good years, but has only been in real contention for that special type of season a few times. I hope Kirk coaches until he wants to retire. Thinking Iowa will all of a sudden become an offensive juggernaut is funny. Iowa State is ranked and they didn't look like world beaters. Iowa grad that will always support Iowa sports. Won't lose any sleep over wins or losses.
Ah-ha!!! So you never wanted him gone. Have you no shame?
So clearly, you made the first accusation without any idea if it were accurate.
I would have been ok with a different bball coach for a few years now.
But that doesn't mean I was posting to a large group of the public that I wanted Fran fired.
I basically barely posted on the bball board, at all, the last few years, because I didn't have much nice to say.
Imagine the ability to have such consideration
No, he would not. We've been over this before. His contract with Illinois includes a clause that prevents him from leaving for another B1G school.
- Offensive background with previous head coaching experience and success.
- Someone in their early to mid-40's, married, with children where the youngest won't be graduating high school for at least 10 years.
- Midwest recruiting ties.
10 yrs ago I woulda been on that bandwagon. But his loss to Cignetti was worse than ours. Plus any day now he's gonna explode like an Oompa-Loompa.
I will tip my hat to him for beating USC and turning Illannoy around.
Me too…I could don’t give a rats a@@ if he won his lawsuit. I want a HC who doesn’t punt every 4th down and play for field position.
