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RedMyMind

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How could I know? Did you say it at one point? If so, I don't remember, and what does it matter if I did? What's the hesitancy about? You think marriage is about survival / selfishness more than it is about morality? Ok. Survival, for humanity, is dependent upon it, but selfishness? That seems super weird. So does suggesting marriage is disassociated from morality, if that is what you are in fact suggesting. And my religion certainly doesn't keep me stuck in fear.
Fine, Christianity.

Marriage throughout history has been about survival. Survival for families, communities, etc. It allowed heirs to inherit and have structure. It was merged into a moral code and codified to reinforce its usefulness. Selfishness isn't always a bad thing. Again, instinct tells us to survive. Better to team up if possible.

I don't know the ideal setup but marriage has its purpose and structural use, except for ones who aren't married.
 
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Lincoln100

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Fine, Christianity.

Marriage throughout history has been about survival. Survival for families, communities, etc. It allowed heirs to inherit and have structure. It was merged into a moral code and codified to reinforce its usefulness. Selfishness isn't always a bad thing. Again, instinct tells us to survive. Better to team up if possible.

I don't know the ideal setup but marriage has its purpose and structural use, except for ones who aren't married.
There are varying practices of Christianity, none of which (that I am aware of) have filicide as a central tenant. Yeah, sounds like marriage is a good thing, for numerous reasons. Still not sure how morality plays into it, except to suggest that the concept of traditional marriage (monogamy) is moral (don't tell SBF).
 

RedMyMind

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There are varying practices of Christianity, none of which (that I am aware of) have filicide as a central tenant. Yeah, sounds like marriage is a good thing, for numerous reasons. Still not sure how morality plays into it, except to suggest that the concept of traditional marriage (monogamy) is moral (don't tell SBF).
there are pros and cons of marriage IMO. The biggest pro being for stability. Arranged marriages were very common and marrying for love was not embraced until recently. Romeo and Juliette was a cautionary tale against marrying for love/romance.

There might be a better system available. who knows?
 

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there are pros and cons of marriage IMO. The biggest pro being for stability. Arranged marriages were very common and marrying for love was not embraced until recently. Romeo and Juliette was a cautionary tale against marrying for love/romance.

There might be a better system available. who knows?
so true.. arranged marriages were very much the norm.. it also made an allowance so that the young inexperienced person did not make a big mistake.. this was also true of many kids having their careers picked for them by their parents. When you are young, you don't even know what you don't know and there are too many options for people today.. too many chances to screw up, because all the decision making is being put on an inexperienced person.
 
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Jesus Tapdancing Christ there are seriously people that say their wife is their best friend?!

Sometimes I think my marriage is horrible, but that would be SO MUCH WORSE than what I’m rolling with.
 

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Thank you for the advice Father.
Since I''m admittedly not into structured religion, I'll leave you with this.

Two teenage boys go to the church so that one may go to Confession. As he sits in the booth, the Father enters and the young boy says, "Father, forgive me for I have sinned."

The priest say, "what is your sin?" The young boy says, "I've had relations with a female church member."

The priest said, "was it Christine O'Malley?" The young boy says, "no."

"Was it Carol O'Connelly?" The young boy says, "no."

The father then says, "Was it Sally O'Sullivan?" The young boy says, "no".

The father then says, "Go home and say Hail Mary 3 times for 3 days and you will be absolved."

The boy exits the church and his friend says, "What did the father say ?"

The young boy said, "He said for me to say Hail Mary 3 times for 3 days and I'll be absolved."

His friend said, "anything else?" The boy said, "Yeah, I have 3 really great leads."
 

RedMyMind

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What percentage of men would remain monogamous if it wasn't socially taboo to have multiple partners?
What percentage of women would care if their husband was monogamous if she didn't have to rely on him for stability? How much of one's reaction would be do to upbringing/expectations?

Being monogamous as a guy is to deny one's nature and is a sacrifice. So we bite the bullet and simply start threads about yoga pants and tits.
 
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What percentage of men would remain monogamous if it wasn't socially taboo to have multiple partners?
What percentage of women would care if their husband was monogamous if she didn't have to rely on him for stability? How much of one's reaction would be do to upbringing/expectations?

Being monogamous as a guy is to deny one's nature and is a sacrifice. So we bite the bullet and simply start threads about yoga pants and tits.
Women would also have multiple partners in that scenario.
 

Lincoln100

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What percentage of men would remain monogamous if it wasn't socially taboo to have multiple partners?
What percentage of women would care if their husband was monogamous if she didn't have to rely on him for stability? How much of one's reaction would be do to upbringing/expectations?

Being monogamous as a guy is to deny one's nature and is a sacrifice. So we bite the bullet and simply start threads about yoga pants and tits.
It isn’t taboo, this ain’t 1960. More chicks graduate from college than guys these days. Monogamy isn’t difficult. You’ve never been more wrong. Keep going
 

RedMyMind

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It isn’t taboo, this ain’t 1960. More chicks graduate from college than guys these days. Monogamy isn’t difficult. You’ve never been more wrong. Keep going
it is still taboo in our society. If it isn't prohibited, it sure is not tolerated to any real degree.
starvation isn't difficult. you just have to reject yourself and your desires all the time.
monogamy is really easy when one has no other options.
 

Mrs.Jeans15

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What percentage of men would remain monogamous if it wasn't socially taboo to have multiple partners?
What percentage of women would care if their husband was monogamous if she didn't have to rely on him for stability? How much of one's reaction would be do to upbringing/expectations?

Being monogamous as a guy is to deny one's nature and is a sacrifice. So we bite the bullet and simply start threads about yoga pants and tits.
Its not socially taboo to have multiple partners. Thats the norm..

Thats like 30 years ago.
 

RedMyMind

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Its not socially taboo to have multiple partners. Thats the norm..

Thats like 30 years ago.
it is not acceptable to be open about it, and no one is really accepting of the idea. It challenges too many held beliefs/emotions.
 

Mrs.Jeans15

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it is not acceptable to be open about it, and no one is really accepting of the idea. It challenges too many held beliefs/emotions.
Lol...man you need to get out the house more. Women have no problem expressing their sexual habits anymore. Being promiscuous is literally celebrated now.

There is a reason slut shaming is a thing.
 

RBigredMax

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Lol...man you need to get out the house more. Women have no problem expressing their sexual habits anymore. Being promiscuous is literally celebrated now.

There is a reason slut shaming is a thing.
This confuses me. Celebrated and also shamed?
 

RedMyMind

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Lol...man you need to get out the house more. Women have no problem expressing their sexual habits anymore. Being promiscuous is literally celebrated now.

There is a reason slut shaming is a thing.
yet still a big negative connotation to it. hence the shaming.
people throughout history had multiple wives, even god's supposed kings/prominent figures. they may have been more understanding back then.
 

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was marriage designed to evolve society? was marriage successful in making America one of the greatest nations in history? does marriage require religion to be successful? does the absence of religion mean less marriage? with less marriage is there an inevitable degradation of society?
I think it's pretty telling that every country and society that exists had marriage as a fundamental institution. It's unprecedented in recent history the dissolution of marriage as an institution and it's pretty scary to think what the implications might be. We're already seeing the consequences play out on that. Birth rates are plummeting and are well below replacement. The top 10% of men are getting almost all of the attention from women and society and the bottom 90% are expendable. We wonder why young men are dropping out of the workforce or committing violent crime and that's a good chunk of the reason right there.
 

RedMyMind

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I think it's pretty telling that every country and society that exists had marriage as a fundamental institution. It's unprecedented in recent history the dissolution of marriage as an institution and it's pretty scary to think what the implications might be. We're already seeing the consequences play out on that. Birth rates are plummeting and are well below replacement. The top 10% of men are getting almost all of the attention from women and society and the bottom 90% are expendable. We wonder why young men are dropping out of the workforce or committing violent crime and that's a good chunk of the reason right there.
all throughout history men had concubines and whores.
It wasn't until relatively recently that marriages were so often dissolved due to this behavior.
 

Mrs.Jeans15

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all throughout history men had concubines and whores.
It wasn't until relatively recently that marriages were so often dissolved due to this behavior.

Men who had great resources or stature not the average man.

Do you know what slut shaming is?.
 

redwine65

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Men who had great resources or stature not the average man.

Do you know what slut shaming is?.

“We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge or gallantry would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution is designed only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for any other.”

Adams


“If Men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and the next place, oblige it to control itself.”

Madison