Love Cason Wallace but...
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You're stating you're tired of arguing over some opinion that Wheeler has major deficiencies....and we have better options that Wheeler will be taking off the floor to force him 30+mpg again.
- Wheeler is a bad shooter...for a guard that is a problem
- Wheeler is a very good assist man for sure....but he also can big a big TO player that hurts his playmaking skills.
- Wheeler was way outplayed by St Pete guards...and he was run off the floor by Tennessee guards twice late in year..
Watching Wheeler make layups vs. overmatched teams and racking up assists isn't eye opening at all to me from what I saw last year. I just see way more potential in Wallace and Reeves in the backcourt vs. Wheeler back there is all I see.
I think they're blind. They only quote his 3pt stats to make their case. They ignore the other shots he made and his overall game. "He's short and he isn't a great 3pt shooter." That's the whole case. He scores in other ways. He makes the offense click. He gets other guys involved. His assist rate is the best of any point guard in UK HISTORY other than Tyler Ulis. These guys want to bench him for his senior season because his freshman backup is taller. You can't make this stuff up.
You know.. the PG doens't HAVE to be a 3pt threat, so long as other guys can be. II think we all would like Wheeler to be better from deep.. but so long as his wings can shoot AND stay healthy, it shouldn't be a big problem. Wheeler still brings speed and a great AtTO ratio. That still matters.
I wouldn't worry too much about Wheeler.. i mean, he's not Ben Simmons bad lol.
I wouldn't worry too much about Wheeler.. i mean, he's not Ben Simmons bad lol.
Cason is a helluva combo guard. Will be able to give Wheeler a blow and even take over if he's having an off game but Wheeler makes us purr.
What 5 of them were break away layups vs. a overmatched team....Wheeler isn't a scrub but he's shown zilch change from end of last year...which he was exposed quite a few times down the stretch,. WHy some want to repeat this is head scratcher to me.
He just doesn’t think before he tweets anything and then wonders why he receives backlash, he is what happens when you take politics to seriously
Wheeler gets in trouble when the supporting cast isn't making plays and he feels the pressure to make something happen. In that St Peter's game, TyTy was 2-10, Grady was 1-9, and Brooks was 2-7. Wheeler was actually 4-8 in the game and the 2nd leading scorer with 11. He did have 6 turnovers but he also had 6 assists. If those guys would have made some shots, he'd have many more assists. To blame Wheeler for that loss is just wrong. The 3 players I just mentioned are much more culpable for that loss.
Ehh, I think a lot of it was that we had no other healthy guards from January and on. Ty was injured twice, Grady we now know could barely move after games, CJ never played..
I think Wheeler is a guard that NEEDS other shooters and guard play. But he seems to have that this year. I think he will do more than servicable job with the talent we now have. But.. maybe Cason is who emerges down the stretch. I think that's very possible.
I think our starting lineup will be
Wheeler
Wallace
Reeves
Toppin
Oscar
If that’s the case from what I saw today 3 of those 5 can hit the 3 then we will be fine with Wheeler at PG.
Wheeler
Wallace
Reeves
Toppin
Oscar
If that’s the case from what I saw today 3 of those 5 can hit the 3 then we will be fine with Wheeler at PG.
I just laugh at them. Brooks, Grady and Washington never showed up against St Peters, but hey , blame Wheeler
He is trying to look big for people, and trying to stir the pot, even though he knows 18-19 year olds from Georgia Florida Texas or wherever Kentucky comes from don’t care about that type of stuff
Yeah, I guess I take them too seriously. I just hate it when people dog our players and won't listen to reason.I just laugh at them. Brooks, Grady and Washington never showed up against St Peters, but hey , blame Wheeler
Said of the Ky. player who holds the record for most assists in a game.
That's true. He holds the record. Can't take it from him. If he could have remained healthy, the end of that season might have been different.
Dude gets off on calling people in Kentucky racists.
Ty was not nearly effective at the point as he was at the 2
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He is on one right about Herschel walker, saying how stupid he is. He does what a lot of politicians do and that’s take the opinions of a couple of outliers in group and use is to generalize a whole group of people which is ********. Kentucky has its problems but I’m glad I’m from here
We need both Wheeler and Wallace. I’m actually more worried about Wheeler over penetrating than I am his jumper. This team should have enough scoring to offset Wheeler’s poor shooting.
As far as Rex, I really can’t think of a bigger loser. He is a miserable person who seems lost.
As far as Rex, I really can’t think of a bigger loser. He is a miserable person who seems lost.
None of what you said changes the statement I made. For this team to PEAK that has to get better. Did John Wall lead UK to a championship? A final four even? No because defenses could pack it in. If we had shooters at the 2 3 and 4 I would agree with you. This team will struggle from 3 and that’s hard to overcome in today’s game.
If wheeler can play like today or close to it consistently then it’s all good, he needs to cut down on the bad turnovers. Like last year giving Wallace some run at point for a change of pace can’t be bad, but wheeler is a solid option especially if Kentucky can push the pace and play up and down, and him not having to force anything in the half court
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Yes, I definitely want to see Wallace get significant minutes at point, and I believe he will. Wheeler played very well today. Finished with 17 points on 7-9 shooting and 3-3 from the line, had 6 assists and 1 turnover.
Wallace had an excellent game as well. He had 15 points, 5 steals, and 4 assists. He made three 3-pointers. Can't be upset with that!
For the 3 games combined, Wheeler has 20 assists and 4 turnovers. He has averaged 12.3 points on 60% shooting.
Wallace also has averaged 12.3 points per game this week and is shooting 45.5% from 3pt range. He has had 9 assists against 3 turnovers, which is an excellent (3:1) ratio. It's just not as good as Wheeler's, which is 20:4 or 5:1, which is insane!
The best news is that these guys can play together and play to their strengths.
I noticed on one of his free throws today that his off hand stays extremely high on the ball as opposed to on the side.. Was a bit surprised that as a 6th year senior and someone who hasn't is known to not be the best shooter hasn't been told to try to adjust his form a bit. Or maybe that IS his adjusted form bc the other wasn't working well
Wheeler excels in the open floor where he can get out and run! Can play with the best of them. Half court offence where he has to change directions on a dime is an area where his handling cant keep up with his quickness. Will be interesting to see if that improves as the season goes along
Thank you!!!! Man some people are dense on here..there is a hell of a lot more to his game then 3pt shooting. Many UK pgs have excelled without being good 3pt shooters.
"Overmatched team" then disregard ANYTHING that ANYBODY on the team has done the last 3 games then if that's really your take. Put down the shovel, you've dug yourself a pretty deep hole already.
Careful what you say, @IL Wildcat and other soft *** mods like him might ban you for simply stating your opinion.
Question is, is Cal willing to take his heart and put Wallace at the point in grindy games.
This is a quality post, my concern is that Cal loves a fast point that can get to the paint and also willing to feed the paint and Wheeler is both. Wallace will need to prove he can do both before Cal will even consider, otherwise we just need to pray Wheeler starts shooting it well or an early exit it will be again.
Experience at point is an essential factor. People get way too wrapped up in shooting percentages. The team production is vastly more important, not individual production.
Further, these games tell us absolutely nothing about team play. They are learning very little basketball save some on court experience together. This is fool’s gold. We don’t find out anything till the season starts.
Further, these games tell us absolutely nothing about team play. They are learning very little basketball save some on court experience together. This is fool’s gold. We don’t find out anything till the season starts.
Only thing I’d add to your argument is that it will be nice to have 2 capable PGs. Players do get hurt. It’s true! They do.
Comparisons last nite
Wheeler: 17 points, 7 for 9 shooting, O for 2 on threes, 6 assist, one turnover, one steal
Wallace: 15 points, 6 for 9 shooting, 3 for 4 on threes, 4 assists, 2 turnovers, 5 STEALS!
Takeaways, if our backcourt goes 13 for 18 in other games this year, we good.
I highlighted wallaces steals because I believe he has a special superpower there.
Wheeler: 17 points, 7 for 9 shooting, O for 2 on threes, 6 assist, one turnover, one steal
Wallace: 15 points, 6 for 9 shooting, 3 for 4 on threes, 4 assists, 2 turnovers, 5 STEALS!
Takeaways, if our backcourt goes 13 for 18 in other games this year, we good.
I highlighted wallaces steals because I believe he has a special superpower there.