Love Cason Wallace but...

revcort

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The offense is so much better with Wheeler running point. I know some can't stand the guy, but I'll take him on my team every day.

Wallace is gonna be very good, also. I love his size, his strength, his ability to finish above the rim, and the fact that you can't hurry him up. His game reminds me a bit of Shai Gilgeous-Alexander. He will carry a guy on his hip and still finish.
 
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cant tell you to what end..... but this Kentucky team is freaking awesome and reminds me 2015
I agree. The 2015 team had a lot of length like this one and was deep too. I think this team has a lot of similarities. That’s judging on this Bahamas trip.
I may have a different opinion when I see them in the fall against stiffer competition, but as of right now I am impressed.
 

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Too early for me to have a strong opinion on this. Wheeler excels in full court games with lots of end to end action, but at least last year, struggled when teams with a capable defense forced us to grind in the half court. I’m not surprised he’s looked great on this trip where we’re playing a wide open style against vastly inferior competition, but I suspect that a lineup with Wallace at the point may still be a valuable, possibly even necessary tool when the games start counting for something and teams try to slow the pace.
 

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Shooting is not fixed. He and Ware aren’t missing short or long. They are missing wide left or wide right. It’s all about confidence and during the game they are not confident in their shot
 

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The offense is so much better with Wheeler running point. I know some can't stand the guy, but I'll take him on my team every day.

Wallace is gonna be very good, also. I love his size, his strength, his ability to finish above the rim, and the fact that you can't hurry him up. His game reminds me a bit of Shai Gilgeous-Alexander. He will carry a guy on his hip and still finish.
Ok, you used a paragraph saying how great Wallace is, but say Wheeler is your man. You almost talked yourself out of it.
 
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Tubbyfan78

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Why does it have to be one or the other and why do you all feel the need to divide everything and pick a side?
 

revcort

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Wallace after 3 summer games looks way ahead of where TyTy was our first 3 games of the season last year. Can’t think of a position that grows more than freshman PG. Wallace has some great potential.
Yep, I agree with you. TyTy was a good guard. When he was making those mid-range shots early in the season, he was tough to stop. But, he never was as good a point guard as he was off the ball. Wallace is already better at point, in my opinion. In time he will be elite.
 

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The offense is so much better with Wheeler running point. I know some can't stand the guy, but I'll take him on my team every day.

Wallace is gonna be very good, also. I love his size, his strength, his ability to finish above the rim, and the fact that you can't hurry him up. His game reminds me a bit of Shai Gilgeous-Alexander. He will carry a guy on his hip and still finish.
Totally agree.
 

K_TIME

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The offense is so much better with Wheeler running point. I know some can't stand the guy, but I'll take him on my team every day.

Wallace is gonna be very good, also. I love his size, his strength, his ability to finish above the rim, and the fact that you can't hurry him up. His game reminds me a bit of Shai Gilgeous-Alexander. He will carry a guy on his hip and still finish.
Do what?

- Wheeler pushes it better for sure.....but again we're playing way undermanned team. So in open court, he's going to look fine.
- Get to college game with a grind in out half court and watch Wheeler bricking it up and teams sagging off him....then tell me what you want.
- Has Wheeler hit a 3pt shot in the 3 games so far? I've seen him hit the one pull up today....but the rest has been layup lines.

Crunch time lineup
PG - Wallace
SG - Reeves
SF - Livingston or Frederick
PG - Toppin
C - Oscar

I don't think it's even close that is the idea line up down the stretch
 

revcort

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Wheelers shooting is still suspect unfortunately.
game 1. 0-3
Game 2. 0-2
At the half today 0-2
that has to get better for this team to peak.
And of course you're only citing his 3pt shooting. He's not a great 3pt shooter and probably never will be, but he doesn't have to be. He made several mid-range shots and still had his usual drives for layups. John Wall couldn't shoot threes at UK, either. Was he suspect? Wheeler had more assists per game last season than Wall had at UK and he was considered dominant.
 

revcort

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Do what?

- Wheeler pushes it better for sure.....but again we're playing way undermanned team. So in open court, he's going to look fine.
- Get to college game with a grind in out half court and watch Wheeler bricking it up and teams sagging off him....then tell me what you want.
- Has Wheeler hit a 3pt shot in the 3 games so far? I've seen him hit the one pull up today....but the rest has been layup lines.

Crunch time lineup
PG - Wallace
SG - Reeves
SF - Livingston or Frederick
PG - Toppin
C - Oscar

I don't think it's even close that is the idea line up down the stretch
You're gonna be sorely disappointed, I'd say. Wheeler will be in the game at crunch time unless he's injured or has fouled out.
 

UKWildcats1987

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Do what?

- Wheeler pushes it better for sure.....but again we're playing way undermanned team. So in open court, he's going to look fine.
- Get to college game with a grind in out half court and watch Wheeler bricking it up and teams sagging off him....then tell me what you want.
- Has Wheeler hit a 3pt shot in the 3 games so far? I've seen him hit the one pull up today....but the rest has been layup lines.

Crunch time lineup
PG - Wallace
SG - Reeves
SF - Livingston or Frederick
PG - Toppin
C - Oscar

I don't think it's even close that is the idea line up down the stretch

Livingston is way beyond Frederick. It's Livingston.
 

K_TIME

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You're gonna be sorely disappointed, I'd say. Wheeler will be in the game at crunch time unless he's injured or has fouled out.
Let's try to imagine basketball vs. legit teams....which is hard but at least with Wheeler we have a full season of tape on him.

- Wheeler is 0-6 from 3pt land in 3 exhibition games. And they've been mostly pure bricks. So the feelings he's going to improve that shot after 3 years is just not likely to materialze
- Teams are just going to go under every ball screen, sag way off and clog up the place....just ike they did down the stretch last year.
- Wheeler solid ball defender....but he's woefully short. Teams will just shoot over him and he's not that quick to compensate.
- Look no further than St Pete game...Wheeler was a mess down the stretch and the St Pete guards just scored on him at will in spaced out floor last March.

1. Wallace will play 30ish minutes...no argument. It's a matter of if 20 of those will be at PG.
2. Reeves is going to force his way to 28+ minutes at the SG or SF. He's clearly going to beat out Frederick for a starting backcourt spot.
3. So if you play Wheeler 30ish minutes (as you suggest)....you're basically going to only give Frederick and Livingston 15 minute between them. That's not enough to justify Wheeler's deficiency to me.

The best move to pull Wheeler back to 20 mpg and Wallace the other 20mpg at PG. And Reeves 30ish minutes at the SG/SF. And work in Livingston/Frederick at the SF for 25 mpg to get size and shooting on the floor. We made the same mistake last year IMO by not playing TyTY more are PG and getting more minutes for Toppin/Hopkins.
 

revcort

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Let's try to imagine basketball vs. legit teams....which is hard but at least with Wheeler we have a full season of tape on him.

- Wheeler is 0-6 from 3pt land in 3 exhibition games. And they've been mostly pure bricks. So the feelings he's going to improve that shot after 3 years is just not likely to materialze
- Teams are just going to go under every ball screen, sag way off and clog up the place....just ike they did down the stretch last year.
- Wheeler solid ball defender....but he's woefully short. Teams will just shoot over him and he's not that quick to compensate.
- Look no further than St Pete game...Wheeler was a mess down the stretch and the St Pete guards just scored on him at will in spaced out floor last March.

1. Wallace will play 30ish minutes...no argument. It's a matter of if 20 of those will be at PG.
2. Reeves is going to force his way to 28+ minutes at the SG or SF. He's clearly going to beat out Frederick for a starting backcourt spot.
3. So if you play Wheeler 30ish minutes (as you suggest)....you're basically going to only give Frederick and Livingston 15 minute between them. That's not enough to justify Wheeler's deficiency to me.

The best move to pull Wheeler back to 20 mpg and Wallace the other 20mpg at PG. And Reeves 30ish minutes at the SG/SF. And work in Livingston/Frederick at the SF for 25 mpg to get size and shooting on the floor. We made the same mistake last year IMO by not playing TyTY more are PG and getting more minutes for Toppin/Hopkins.
I'm tired of arguing about this. Wheeler will start and will get the majority of minutes at point this season. Wallace will also start, at the 2, and he will switch to point when Wheeler needs a breather. I hope both players have great seasons.

See my 10 other posts for actual facts about Wheeler. I'm done arguing. The bias against Wheeler from some of you is not connected to facts, just opinions and personal preferences.
 
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I'm tired of arguing about this. Wheeler will start and will get the majority of minutes at point this season. Wallace will also start, at the 2, and he will switch to point when Wheeler needs a breather. I hope both players have great seasons.

See my 10 other posts for actual facts about Wheeler. I'm done arguing. The bias against Wheeler from some of you is not connected to facts, just opinions and personal preferences.
So it's not a fact that he is a bad three point shooter who allows defenses to sag down and clog the lane?
 

oldsports_

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Shooting is not fixed. He and Ware aren’t missing short or long. They are missing wide left or wide right. It’s all about confidence and during the game they are not confident in their shot
7-9 .....he is horrible! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
 

K_TIME

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I'm tired of arguing about this. Wheeler will start and will get the majority of minutes at point this season. Wallace will also start, at the 2, and he will switch to point when Wheeler needs a breather. I hope both players have great seasons.

See my 10 other posts for actual facts about Wheeler. I'm done arguing. The bias against Wheeler from some of you is not connected to facts, just opinions and personal preferences.
Dude your a moderator...and stating he's 0-6 from 3pt line with short/non athletic PG to run at him is not crazy talk. The dude has been a poor shooting PG for 3 years...he killed us down the stretch last year...Why can't you debate a topic that is not being tastlessly done?
 
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revcort

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So it's not a fact that he is a bad three point shooter who allows defenses to sag down and clog the lane?
No, that's the one fact. He's not a 3pt shooter and they have to sag because they have zero chance of staying in front of him. He doesn't have to be a great 3pt shooter, though he did improve down the stretch last season in that regard. He has led the league in assists for 2 straight seasons, and he's the leader in assists for any player in any major conference for the same time period. The thought that you would sit the SEC's 2-time leading assist man for his senior season is about the most asinine thought anyone could have, and it's just because you people don't like him.
 

LineSkiCat14

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I don't think Cason is there yet. And I think we NEED Wheeler to run the point in the early goings to avoid any upsets. But maybe by Jan and Feb Cason is the guy? Who knows.

I do think writing off Wheeler so soon was silly. He would be just fine running the point all year long. He just kept having to rely on a new running mate every game last year.. Ty is out, then Grady is out, then both are out.. It was a mess for a lead PG to deal with. Who ALSO was dealing with injury.
 

revcort

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Dude your a moderator...and stating he's 0-6 from 3pt line with short/non athletic PG to run at him is not crazy talk. The dude has been a poor shooting PG for 3 years...he killed us down the stretch last year...Why can't you debate a topic that is not being tastlessly done?
He's the fastest guy on the floor, in EVERY game. Athleticism isn't just about size and leaping. Don't pull out "you're a moderator" on me, as though it should cause me to suddenly rethink my opinion about Wheeler, which is backed up with 2 straight years of facts.

Edit: and I AM debating the topic. I'm just not yielding to your baseless opinion.