Landon Tengwall?

[Midnighter]

Wildly dishonest or spot on? One mans opinion vs another. Like I said 12 years of Franklin vs 6 games for Campbell. Wildly crazy but I don’t see the improvement. But hey he looks good yelling into the headset.
Oh and an FYI the Punt/To in the fourth has pretty much zoomed to #1 with a bullet of the stupidest ******* thing many PSU people have ever seen.

Not nearly as stupid as doing it in a game with a playoff appearance and B1G Championship on the line against your biggest rival. But your mileage may vary.

 

[LaJollaCreek]

Wildly dishonest or spot on? One mans opinion vs another. Like I said 12 years of Franklin vs 6 games for Campbell. Wildly crazy but I don’t see the improvement. But hey he looks good yelling into the headset.
Oh and an FYI the Punt/To in the fourth has pretty much zoomed to #1 with a bullet of the stupidest ******* thing many PSU people have ever seen.

Ohhh I got this....when Midnighter jumped the shark and went full on hating James so that now the only thing he could do is back anyone else no matter what. A few people said just because you fire a HC doesn't mean you get better, but that was just being mean and dishonest at the time. I still have time to wait with MC as I watch this team play I see a MAC level team at RB and the DL....you just aren't going to win many with that situation. The problem is if he isn't a dynamic recruiter at a school that will not spend with the actual elite schools....well....welcome to being Iowa, Wisky, or Neb.....but hey that guy that could only win the games your supposed to is the real fraud.

I don't know how people got this notion that winning the games you are supposed to when that is about 10 a year is awful, but hey....it's a pretty stress free season now. I mean I really don't care all that much we playing UM because I kind of know we cannot stop the run, they can't pass....but we won't score more than 10 in AA more than likely.

 

[bbrown]

I spent the entire off season reading about how the best players (24) merged with all the players from the PSU roster kept would win 10 games or compete for a spot in the playoffs. I posted that the best thing about this team was the schedule. For which I was taken to task. Now, after 3 losses, only one to a team with more talent on paper, we are crying talent poverty? This is among the most experienced teams in college football with the 2nd "winningest" QB in the college ranks.
There are no excuses for blowing a 17 point lead at home and getting literally blown off the field, not beaten, by Northwestern! 400 yards rushing!
Next year you get to play Oregon and Indiana.....and Illinois, Michigan and at Wisconsin just for fun.
2028 Ohio State, Oregon, Indiana, USC and Iowa.
This is a historically bad Michigan Team. They are 2-3 on the field. They play Indiana, Ohio State UCLA and Oregon after PSU.
This team needs to win on Saturday, no excuses.

Agree with most of your posts. I don't think this is a must win game on Sat. I think that ship sailed until after the Bye week.

 

[Bkmtnittany1]

Yea I thought that was obvious...Up your *** you dipshit.
God you are one stupid MOFO.

He truly is… the ignore button is your friend!

 

[bbrown]

Ohhh I got this....when Midnighter jumped the shark and went full on hating James so that now the only thing he could do is back anyone else no matter what. A few people said just because you fire a HC doesn't mean you get better, but that was just being mean and dishonest at the time. I still have time to wait with MC as I watch this team play I see a MAC level team at RB and the DL....you just aren't going to win many with that situation. The problem is if he isn't a dynamic recruiter at a school that will not spend with the actual elite schools....well....welcome to being Iowa, Wisky, or Neb.....but hey that guy that could only win the games your supposed to is the real fraud.

I don't know how people got this notion that winning the games you are supposed to when that is about 10 a year is awful, but hey....it's a pretty stress free season now. I mean I really don't care all that much we playing UM because I kind of know we cannot stop the run, they can't pass....but we won't score more than 10 in AA more than likely.

Thats kind of where I am at as well. I think its pretty well known that I liked Franklin, his warts and all. But because of some of his actions and inactions and Pat Kraft and some very entitled PSU fans the situation became beyond Toxic and he had to go. Most of my frustration was how it played out and the coaching "search" (throwing darts at a coaches pictures is not a valid plan).
But while we are not under the same restrictions that Franklin had to deal with when he walked through the door Matt does have a similar issue with lack of talent. Now some of that is on he and his staff for some questionable talent evaluation but he as also dealt a pretty crappy hand.
The true evaluation will happen in this off season and his portal calls. If he (Campbell) has a similar result next year to this and massive injuries and a lack of talent then he may not get another year to try and rebuild through recruiting.
Kraft is going to have to come up with the NIL money he said we have in his self leaked locker room frat boy rant.

 

[LaJollaCreek]

Agree with most of your posts. I don't think this is a must win game on Sat. I think that ship sailed until after the Bye week.

Must win or what...they cancel the season? What's going to happen if they lose again...won't play anymore this season as you aren't firing a HC 7 games in.

 

[PSUFTG]

Agree with most of your posts. I don't think this is a must win game on Sat. I think that ship sailed until after the Bye week.

If there is even a single "team with a pulse" left on the schedule - it is Michigan (and even that is VERY debatable).
What little interest there is - from BOTH sides, just check out how Michigan ticket values have cratered as much as PSU's White Out TIX did - is based on "name" of opponent and history vs same. But that's about that.

If PSU was sitting at 6-0 or 5-1, that cupcake highway out the windshield would/could be a "good" thing - as the road to a post-season spot would be easily attainable.
But, alas, such is not the case.

Now, the Cupcake Highway presents only one remarkable potentiality: That being losing to MORE cream puffs down the road (UW, Minny, Purdue, Rutgres, Maryland). The "motivation" is now simply to make the season less of a failure than it might otherwise be.
Hopefully that serves as SOME motivation from here on out.

 

[bbrown]

He truly is… the ignore button is your friend!

Yea reluctantly I agree. Even some people I've had on ignore made a fair point every 100 posts or so, not so much with him.
But since the MODS wont police their own board I will and will refrain from replying to him unless of course he drags me back in.

 

[bbrown]

Must win or what...they cancel the season? What's going to happen if they lose again...won't play anymore this season as you aren't firing a HC 7 games in.

I think you might have misunderstood my post. Marshall thought the MIchy game is must win. I don't.
I just want to see some improvement.
I think the "must" win games or it will be very, very ugly for Kraft and Campbell are MD and RU and its only "must" to keep the ugly off the staff.

 

[Chumboshifko1]

Redwarpony tried to make a funny.

Come, Chimpy, get your bananas and burrito for your juba!

 

[LaJollaCreek]

I think you might have misunderstood my post. Marshall thought the MIchy game is must win. I don't.
I just want to see some improvement.
I think the "must" win games or it will be very, very ugly for Kraft and Campbell are MD and RU and its only "must" to keep the ugly off the staff.

No, it's my bad...as I got the post but don't really respond to that clown all that much as he roots for coaches not programs. I think we're at the point where 6-6 would be a win for this year. It's honestly a hard watch on both sides of the ball. 3 yards and stumble into the cloud of dust is more like 1.5 yards and fall down. 3rd and longs for the defense is now a game of how long can the QB hold the ball before he has to throw it. It's just not a good football team and I won't pretend to know all of the issues. I just see two big glaring ones at RB and DL, but I'm not positive that we are one team with this locker room either.

 

[bbrown]

No, it's my bad...as I got the post but don't really respond to that clown all that much as he roots for coaches not programs. I think we're at the point where 6-6 would be a win for this year. It's honestly a hard watch on both sides of the ball. 3 yards and stumble into the cloud of dust is more like 1.5 yards and fall down. 3rd and longs for the defense is now a game of how long can the QB hold the ball before he has to throw it. It's just not a good football team and I won't pretend to know all of the issues. I just see two big glaring ones at RB and DL, but I'm not positive that we are one team with this locker room either.

Really like this post. Pretty much sums up my thoughts and feelings too.
I kind of like Marshal, I understand his schtick but don't always agree with it and sometimes think it clutters up the board and his insights get lost and thats too bad because he does have some good ones.
I do think we have a chance of winning out after the Bye. Not sure if Locks will be on the field at MD or not.
This team reminds me a lot of the Joe teams from the 2000's and I really, really hope thats just coincidental.

 

[Chumboshifko1]

He truly is… the ignore button is your friend!

Liking your own drivel again, Chimpy?

 

[Chumboshifko1]

No, it's my bad...as I got the post but don't really respond to that clown all that much as he roots for coaches not programs. I think we're at the point where 6-6 would be a win for this year. It's honestly a hard watch on both sides of the ball. 3 yards and stumble into the cloud of dust is more like 1.5 yards and fall down. 3rd and longs for the defense is now a game of how long can the QB hold the ball before he has to throw it. It's just not a good football team and I won't pretend to know all of the issues. I just see two big glaring ones at RB and DL, but I'm not positive that we are one team with this locker room either.

LoL.. How's it going on FFA?

 

[Psumatt85]

Agree with most of your posts. I don't think this is a must win game on Sat. I think that ship sailed until after the Bye week.

I agree. 2026 is lost, and though I believe Campbell is below target, the real evaluation comes in 2027. Kraft though, should have been fired in January, and I do not know how he had a job to begin with let alone now

 

[Marshall2323]

Agree with most of your posts. I don't think this is a must win game on Sat. I think that ship sailed until after the Bye week.

I'm not contending it is a "must" game. However, this isn't a real Michigan team either. They lost to a directional school and Minnesota. So, the roster excuse doesn't fly....nor does the coaching change.
My guess is that the current atmosphere of college football provides a 3 year window for most coaches at major programs. Looking at the next two schedules, this staff (IMO) doesn't have the luxury of punting on any game. 8-4 or 7-5 is in play. Also critical to prevent opt outs from the current roster and de commits from a less than stellar recruiting class.
Winning will admittedly require the best effort by the defense this season and an offense that continues to show improvement as it did during the first half last week. Winning will also likely require better half time adjustments as in 6 quarters of second half play in conference games PSU has scored a paltry 15 points.

 

[Marshall2323]

Must win or what...they cancel the season? What's going to happen if they lose again...won't play anymore this season as you aren't firing a HC 7 games in.

Do you like opt outs and decommits? Winning 4 of the final 6 games gives PSU a better chance of keeping those on the roster they covet and closing with the current recruiting class. Beating Michigan in the Big House isn't a "big game" or big win but certainly is critical to stop the slide and provide some badly needed positive momentum. Positive momentum might even sway a few players in the portal. Would you jump to join a team that finished 5-7?

 

[Marshall2323]

If there is even a single "team with a pulse" left on the schedule - it is Michigan (and even that is VERY debatable).
What little interest there is - from BOTH sides, just check out how Michigan ticket values have cratered as much as PSU's White Out TIX did - is based on "name" of opponent and history vs same. But that's about that.

If PSU was sitting at 6-0 or 5-1, that cupcake highway out the windshield would/could be a "good" thing - as the road to a post-season spot would be easily attainable.
But, alas, such is not the case.

Now, the Cupcake Highway presents only one remarkable potentiality: That being losing to MORE cream puffs down the road (UW, Minny, Purdue, Rutgres, Maryland). The "motivation" is now simply to make the season less of a failure than it might otherwise be.
Hopefully that serves as SOME motivation from here on out.

Ah the good old days. When 10 or 11 wins was dismissed as "we didn't beat anyone with a pulse."
Any bet, should PSU beat a 2-3 Michigan team, it will be touted as a "big game win?"

 

[LaJollaCreek]

If there is even a single "team with a pulse" left on the schedule - it is Michigan (and even that is VERY debatable).
What little interest there is - from BOTH sides, just check out how Michigan ticket values have cratered as much as PSU's White Out TIX did - is based on "name" of opponent and history vs same. But that's about that.

If PSU was sitting at 6-0 or 5-1, that cupcake highway out the windshield would/could be a "good" thing - as the road to a post-season spot would be easily attainable.
But, alas, such is not the case.

Now, the Cupcake Highway presents only one remarkable potentiality: That being losing to MORE cream puffs down the road (UW, Minny, Purdue, Rutgres, Maryland). The "motivation" is now simply to make the season less of a failure than it might otherwise be.
Hopefully that serves as SOME motivation from here on out.

Newsflash, we are the cupcakes this year. There isn't a team left on the schedule that if they beat PSU would even raise an eyebrow. You basically have coin flips, but that may be giving this current team too much credit. How people that follow a sport, see a team with a new HC, OC, DC, lost 46 players and think they knew ahead of the season how good or bad this team was saying anything less than 10 wins would be a failure literally shows us that most fans are GD clueless. You don't win because of your helmet anymore, everyone has paid players and when you lose half a roster it may hurt more than you think.

 

[BCS PSU]

Do you like opt outs and decommits? Winning 4 of the final 6 games gives PSU a better chance of keeping those on the roster they covet and closing with the current recruiting class. Beating Michigan in the Big House isn't a "big game" or big win but certainly is critical to stop the slide and provide some badly needed positive momentum. Positive momentum might even sway a few players in the portal. Would you jump to join a team that finished 5-7?

I agree with you that it's important to start winning some of these games and establish some positive momentum. I don't think that there's much of a chance that it will happen tomorrow. I disagree with you that a 5-7 record will factor that much into whether most recruits come to a school, as they care about two things: playing time and money.

 

[Marshall2323]

I agree with you that it's important to start winning some of these games and establish some positive momentum. I don't think that there's much of a chance that it will happen tomorrow. I disagree with you that a 5-7 record will factor that much into whether most recruits come to a school, as they care about two things: playing time and money.

Agree those are 2 very important factors. However, they can find lots of schools that win games and provide them as well. To complicate matters, we have no proof that PSU can outbid others for a blue chip.

 

[Marshall2323]

Just a hypothetical question. Do you see this coach surviving a 4-8 or 7-5 followed by two seasons of 8-4?

 

[Marshall2323]

Not nearly as stupid as doing it in a game with a playoff appearance and B1G Championship on the line against your biggest rival. But your mileage may vary.

You know why you won't see Campbell doing it in a Championship game? Because he won't be in one.

 

[PSUFTG]

Kraft though, should have been fired in January,

Of 2023?

Maybe he and Neeli can both go down to NC State and see how dumb the folks in Raleigh really are?

Or maybe BC and L'ville will both do a take back?

 

[PSUFTG]

Just a hypothetical question. Do you see this coach surviving a 4-8 or 7-5 followed by two seasons of 8-4?

Under that situation - his chances or remaining are likely about 99.5%, IMO (He might walk away to another opportunity - doubtful, but possible) but he wouldn't get fired.

 

[BCS PSU]

Under that situation - his chances or remaining are likely about 99.5%, IMO (He might walk away to another opportunity - doubtful, but possible) but he wouldn't get fired.

I think that some forget that even after the last coach seemingly turned the program around in 2016, he still had seasons of 9-4 in 2018, 4-5 in 2020, 7-6 in 2021 and 7-6 in 2025.

 

[bbrown]

Agree those are 2 very important factors. However, they can find lots of schools that win games and provide them as well. To complicate matters, we have no proof that PSU can outbid others for a blue chip.

Louder for the lurking Pat Kraft apologists, however many are left.

 

[Marshall2323]

Thats kind of where I am at as well. I think its pretty well known that I liked Franklin, his warts and all. But because of some of his actions and inactions and Pat Kraft and some very entitled PSU fans the situation became beyond Toxic and he had to go. Most of my frustration was how it played out and the coaching "search" (throwing darts at a coaches pictures is not a valid plan).
But while we are not under the same restrictions that Franklin had to deal with when he walked through the door Matt does have a similar issue with lack of talent. Now some of that is on he and his staff for some questionable talent evaluation but he as also dealt a pretty crappy hand.
The true evaluation will happen in this off season and his portal calls. If he (Campbell) has a similar result next year to this and massive injuries and a lack of talent then he may not get another year to try and rebuild through recruiting.
Kraft is going to have to come up with the NIL money he said we have in his self leaked locker room frat boy rant.

Obviously I like Franklin a great deal. As a fan of more than 60 years, I appreciate everything he did to improve PSU on the field and updating the football operation.
That being said, no matter who was at fault (and I give Kraft 65%) James needed to depart.
I abhor the slurs that he was subjected to and the fact that his family was targeted at Beaver as well is a stain on what I once thought was the most sportsmanlike and best fanbase in the universe.
I'm glad he has a fresh start, doing what he loves to do.

That being said, the timing, the disrespect Kraft gave to the roster and the recruiting class and the stupidity he lived for 54 days (at what point did it take him to realize he wasn't getting someone like Marcus Freeman0:
Finally choosing Sitake (what a great fit) only confirms his incredible lack of leadership skills;
The "loyal" fanbase spent the entire off season trashing Franklin and insisting that because Matt Campbell isn't James Franklin, our destiny was paved with playoff gold.
Now reality has finally arrived.
Simply put, Pat Kraft is responsible for turning a coaching change into a rebuild from foundation up.
Now if you've got the hunger for a 4 or 5 year program rebuild on a solid foundation, Matt Campbell is probably as good as there is out there. I suspect even those who gushed over his shoelaces, his shared office space, his cool cap and to say nothing of his legendary (according to BWICAC) ability to coach em up.....will be frustrated by then.

 

[Marshall2323]

Newsflash, we are the cupcakes this year. There isn't a team left on the schedule that if they beat PSU would even raise an eyebrow. You basically have coin flips, but that may be giving this current team too much credit. How people that follow a sport, see a team with a new HC, OC, DC, lost 46 players and think they knew ahead of the season how good or bad this team was saying anything less than 10 wins would be a failure literally shows us that most fans are GD clueless. You don't win because of your helmet anymore, everyone has paid players and when you lose half a roster it may hurt more than you think.

It's not the turn over you portray when the HC, OC, OL coach, QB, QB coach and 23 players simply change uniforms.
On offense alone 5 year starter in the system at QB, starting RB, 2 WR and 2 TEs all played together last year. Lots of teams don't have that kind of experience returning.

 

[PSUFTG]

I think that some forget that even after the last coach seemingly turned the program around in 2016, he still had seasons of 9-4 in 2018, 4-5 in 2020, 7-6 in 2021 and 7-6 in 2025.

No doubt Campbell is in no danger of being fired - which I think is the main point, and we agree.
I am bnot sure how much water that comp holds to the present situation though:

By 2018, BGJ aleady had a couple very good years under his belt at PSU, and:
That 2018 team was leaps and bounds better than this one - and played a MUCH tougher schedule . such that it was actually a top-20 ranked team at season's end, IIRC.

2020 was COVID-ed of course, and no one really cared.

The one sh$tter was 2021 and that was against a schedule of 7 ranked teams (as opposed to this year's cupcake collection) - and 4 of the 5 regular season losses were to ranked teams by a TOTAL of 12 points (starting w the DeQuan Roberson Game at Iowa)
More of a "heart-breaker" season than a sh$t show.


The other one listed - 2025 - got him fired. Obviously


All that said, no way Campbell is under any risk of getting the axe.... even with this year's sh$t show, followed by a couple 8-4s
Brozo Kraft is likely to be long gone by then, and it will hopefully be a less dysfunctional ICA Dept.

 

[Marshall2323]

I think that some forget that even after the last coach seemingly turned the program around in 2016, he still had seasons of 9-4 in 2018, 4-5 in 2020, 7-6 in 2021 and 7-6 in 2025.

You curiously missed a Big Ten Championship in his third year. Followed by 11-2. 9-4, 11-2
Then 13-3 in 2024, then 2025 3-3 fired. See I asked a straight forward question about support for the current coach if he can't do better than 8-4. You made it about Franklin. Franklin was 104-45. You can step up and declare that Campbell will have a better won loss percentage. Go ahead.

 

[Marshall2323]

Louder for the lurking Pat Kraft apologists, however many are left.

Well it's one thing to have resources (NIL/RS) that put you 6th or 7th in your conference. It's quite another thing to insist that you have abundant resources necessary for excellence at the highest level.
I would love to know if Campbell was aware of where PSU stood relative to other conference members before he took the job?

 

[bbrown]

Well it's one thing to have resources (NIL/RS) that put you 6th or 7th in your conference. It's quite another thing to insist that you have abundant resources necessary for excellence at the highest level.
I would love to know if Campbell was aware of where PSU stood relative to other conference members before he took the job?

Yea i'm not sure that Pat Kraft is that "aware" of much.

 

[PSUFTG]

Well it's one thing to have resources (NIL/RS) that put you 6th or 7th in your conference. It's quite another thing to insist that you have abundant resources necessary for excellence at the highest level.
I would love to know if Campbell was aware of where PSU stood relative to other conference members before he took the job?

I would not be the least bit surprised if interactions between Campbell and Kraft were kept to a minimum (BEFORE he got here - we all know they have been kept to a minimum SINCE he got here)
If so, and I think that is likely, I doubt it happened by accident.




[Spoiler: It is highly likely that Campbell is counting the days until Dead Man Walking is not here anymore]

 

[Psumatt85]

Under that situation - his chances or remaining are likely about 99.5%, IMO (He might walk away to another opportunity - doubtful, but possible) but he wouldn't get fired.

Interesting. Historically I would say coach stays at 6-6, 8-4, 8-4, if building it with academics and integrity. But that is not the game anymore, nor will it bring in the top level of player. He’ll , that’s what he did at ISU with supposedly less resources. For those thinking he’s safe, is he safe with 6-6, 8-4, 8-4, 8-4? If he can’t get to 10 wins by year three, I think you have to move on.

 

[PSUFTG]

Interesting. Historically I would say coach stays at 6-6, 8-4, 8-4, if building it with academics and integrity. But that is not the game anymore, nor will it bring in the top level of player. He’ll , that’s what he did at ISU with supposedly less resources. For those thinking he’s safe, is he safe with 6-6, 8-4, 8-4, 8-4? If he can’t get to 10 wins by year three, I think you have to move on.

Ignoring the $$$, you might be spot on.

But: Do you know how much they would have to pay him if he is out? (From a $$$ broke ICA - that is part of an even more $$$ broke University)

And he ain't gonna' have a half-dozen folks waiting in line to "offset" the buyout (under those circumstances)

He would be in no danger

 

[Erial_Lion]

Newsflash, we are the cupcakes this year. There isn't a team left on the schedule that if they beat PSU would even raise an eyebrow. You basically have coin flips, but that may be giving this current team too much credit.

FWIW, this is the last game this year where we'll be a solid underdog. We're likely a small underdog or coin flip at Washington, and then a TD+ favorite over the rest (and multiple TD favorite against Rutgers)...and @Grant Green can keep me honest on those numbers if he'd like. These types of comments are the same thing we heard in 2020 when people predicted we wouldn't win a game, or last year when people predicted we'd lose out. We've had some bad results, but it's not like we're suddenly on a collision course with a winless Big Ten season as some seem to believe. Something less than 7-5 at this point would be a pretty big failure.

 

[Grant Green]

FWIW, this is the last game this year where we'll be a solid underdog. We're likely a small underdog or coin flip at Washington, and then a TD+ favorite over the rest (and multiple TD favorite against Rutgers)...and @Grant Green can keep me honest on those numbers if he'd like. These types of comments are the same thing we heard in 2020 when people predicted we wouldn't win a game, or last year when people predicted we'd lose out. We've had some bad results, but it's not like we're suddenly on a collision course with a winless Big Ten season as some seem to believe. Something less than 7-5 at this point would be a pretty big failure.

Barring a significant change (like Becht injury), I have PSU as a TD+ favorite against every team left on the schedule except UW. I have that game close to a pickem with Desmond Williams, but I think I may be a little higher on UW than the market. PSU a 3 to 3.5 favorite at UW with their backup (although he didn't do terrible in relief last week garbage time).

 

[Chumboshifko1]

Just a hypothetical question. Do you see this coach surviving a 4-8 or 7-5 followed by two seasons of 8-4?

Up, down, up down...

 

[Chumboshifko1]

Obviously I like Franklin a great deal. As a fan of more than 60 years, I appreciate everything he did to improve PSU on the field and updating the football operation.
That being said, no matter who was at fault (and I give Kraft 65%) James needed to depart.
I abhor the slurs that he was subjected to and the fact that his family was targeted at Beaver as well is a stain on what I once thought was the most sportsmanlike and best fanbase in the universe.
I'm glad he has a fresh start, doing what he loves to do.

That being said, the timing, the disrespect Kraft gave to the roster and the recruiting class and the stupidity he lived for 54 days (at what point did it take him to realize he wasn't getting someone like Marcus Freeman0:
Finally choosing Sitake (what a great fit) only confirms his incredible lack of leadership skills;
The "loyal" fanbase spent the entire off season trashing Franklin and insisting that because Matt Campbell isn't James Franklin, our destiny was paved with playoff gold.
Now reality has finally arrived.
Simply put, Pat Kraft is responsible for turning a coaching change into a rebuild from foundation up.
Now if you've got the hunger for a 4 or 5 year program rebuild on a solid foundation, Matt Campbell is probably as good as there is out there. I suspect even those who gushed over his shoelaces, his shared office space, his cool cap and to say nothing of his legendary (according to BWICAC) ability to coach em up.....will be frustrated by then.