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I’m not a former Penn State offensive lineman, and I don’t have an X account dedicated to breaking down film and evaluating players. I also never really watched Iowa State, so I’m going to assume the guy who’s breaking down film and evaluating players knows what he’s talking about.
I’d rather listen to Adam Breneman. He seems much sharper.
Franklin never could and never will win a Natty. Always chokes in Big Games and bone headed decisions.
Now do the current staff.
I know people love to hate on Franklin and his in game coaching and use of Time outs but through the first 6 games I've seen more questionable and down right stupid decisions from Campbell than in the 12+ years of Franklin.
PSU has an AD to match a significant portion of the fanbase. Entitled and delusional.
And the alternative is to wait 4 years. Kraft will have killed everything
MC is here for at least 3 years...wouldn't say stuck with
Not sure why you think buyout impacts NIL
I wouldn't say stuck either, I like Campbell, but some are not happy with him.
Ok explain how NIL works, and how for a fact you know it's all Kraft's fault.
Instead of paying Kraft's buyout that money could be put towards the football program somehow I would think.
Here's something to think about. Anyone with an ounce of football acumen, will acknowledge that Matt Campbell is a proven program builder. The issue is, how valuable is a "builder" when NIL/RS war chests are creating winning rosters virtually overnight? The hire never made sense for PSU. Campbell ideally would have gone to a perpetual downtrodden program and brought ISU like results. PSU was looking for someone to take them from very good to "excellence at the highest level."
All the fans that gushed over his "lunch pail" appoach.....I wonder how many ever carried one?
This will be an interesting game. I think PSU has a 45% chance to win. Michigan is a 5 or 6 loss team.
Add in an actual loss to a directional school. On the other hand, they did beat Oklahoma.
If PSU can win this game, I think 8-4 is realistically on the table. A disappointment considering most figured 9-3 was the floor with this cream puff schedule.
Unless NIL increases 8-4 is pretty much the 2027 and 2028 ceiling as well.
Dumping Kraft would be the best money PSU ICA has spent in 5 years.
For 1/2 of the spend on his sh$t for brains soccer Taj Mahal (which means you still could have built a very nice and appropriate game day facility for soccer) you could have dumped him and saved hundreds of millions that his incompetence has already caused.
Fill the AD office with Herbie's dog Petey, and you'd be a few steps ahead (or maybe I should say you would "grow forward" a few steps
)Which are both true.
I like Campbell as a man, a human, a leader…But his “oh shucks” and “gosh darn it” mentality and lingo is about 30 years in the past and makes him seem old fashioned. He doesn’t seem to have much of an edge. “Oh fiddlesticks” is a great way to lose the locker when you need them most. It’s your son Campbell is visiting….his shtick will impress “some” but it won’t impress the majority. We need a little less Joe Pa these days and more “Show Pa.” Geewhillikers hearing Campbell talk “FRICKEN” frustrates me.
There is significant smoke out there, that Campbell was warned when constructing the roster (by PSU returning staff) that some of the ISU players he was contemplating to offer, were not going to cut it in the Big 10. He trusted his ISU coaches that were advising him more and here we are.
It's clear his game planning and in game decisions are not an upgrade. Is he a good enough coach to right the ship eventually? Yes. But without a significant bump in cash, his ceiling is 9-3 on average. That isn't excellence at the highest level.
You're still acting like he had a ton of options for building a roster. He didn't. He made thr best if the situation.
His game planning and decisions may or not be better than Franklin but they aren't worse. MC needs to prove he build a roster like Franklin. Once/if he does that we can evaluate who is better at those things. If MC doesn't it's moot as he won't be here in 2029.
I like Matt Campbell, but I find it ironic that your hanging your hat on “He is not worse than Franklin on game planning and decisions”, and he needs to be able recruit like Franklin. Sounds like your hoping he becomes Franklin?!
Other than being 1-10 against OSU which would have been 1-11, 3-7 against Michigan, 0-2 against Oregon, and 0-1 against ND in the biggest game that PSU had played probably since 1986, Franklin did a good job. However, he was at PSU for going on twelve seasons, which is a lifetime now in this sport, and it was apparent that he had taken this program as far as he was going to take it, which wasn't all of his fault. However, it was time for a change for both parties, just like the Steelers with Tomlin.
If Franklin was going to turn PSU in a Georgia under Kirby Smart, he would've done that several seasons before 2025, and it just never happened and never was going to happen. Maybe that kind of success now is just not possible at PSU based on the fact that PA as a state that doesn't produce as many great players as it used to and continues to lose population to the Southeast states, so a traditional recruting base is drying up. Just look at the state of the other major Northeastern football schools like Rutgers, BC and Syracuse which are bad, and Pitt which is mediocre.
Unless Campbell gets the necessary resources, he probably won't have as much success as Franklin had at PSU. However, I'm not going to base his future success on this season in which he has a hodge podge of a roster that he had to put together with limited time. If PSU hasn't progressed under him in the next several seasons, then I'll say that maybe this hiring just didn't work.
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Anyone looking to "Fire Campbell" at this point is just being silly (as fans tend to be).
Kraft, on the other hand
1)
Campbell came to PSU with a history of relative success. Won't go through his entire CV at ISU and Toledo - but, clearly, he was "successful"
Kraft came to PSU after:
5 Years at Temple - where by any objective measure he trashed the program
and
2 Years at BC - where by any objective measure he trashed the program
How did he get hired here? God only knows (actually, we all should know, but you get the drift)
2)
Campbell has been at PSU for 10 months. They have not been "successful" but it has been just a very very short time, with trying circumstances that were certainly not of his doing (certainly not of his doing to any meaningful extent)
Kraft has been at PSU for 4 1/2 years - during which time his impact has been EXTRAORDINARILY negative by any metric: on field success, off field "excellence"
, financial/fiscal performance, administrative prowess etc.How he managed to keep his job - let alone receive a "choke a horse" long-term guaranteed contract extension - with bonuses out the waazoo? - God only knows (again, actually, we all should know - it is the "Penn State Culture" - but you get the drift)
3)
Campbell - love him or hate him - has thus far presented as a very righteous guy (at least relatively righteous, within the world of college football coaches)
Kraft has been disingenuous about EVERYTHING - and has clearly displayed an "ego above competence" persona from Day 1.
In all, could Kraft be a dead man walking. Certainly could be, and likely is.
Campbell - while it is possible he may get frustrated and walk away (I do NOT expect that) - is not going anywhere unless by his own choice.
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What's sad is that under the former AD at Pitt, who was fired, and the current AD there, Pitt's overall athletic program has gotten much better with teams like volleyball, soccer and baseball, whereas PSU's overall athletic program under Kraft in the last two years has regressed greatly, and PSU just has so much more to offer in terms of resources than Pitt. I have to think that he is on a very short leash and really needs to start showing results, which mostly means showing the money, very quickly.Anyone looking to "Fire Campbell" at this point is just being silly (as fans tend to be).
Kraft, on the other hand
1)
Campbell came to PSU with a history of relative success. Won't go through his entire CV at ISU and Toledo - but, clearly, he was "successful"
Kraft came to PSU after:
5 Years at Temple - where by any objective measure he trashed the program
and
2 Years at BC - where by any objective measure he trashed the program
How did he get hired here? God only knows (actually, we all should know, but you get the drift)
2)
Campbell has been at PSU for 10 months. They have not been "successful" but it has been just a very very short time, with trying circumstances that were certainly not of his doing (certainly not of his doing to any meaningful extent)
Kraft has been at PSU for 4 1/2 years - during which time his impact has been EXTRAORDINARILY negative by any metric: on field success, off field "excellence"
How he managed to keep his job - let alone receive a "choke a horse" long-term guaranteed contract extension - with bonuses out the waazoo? - God only knows (again, actually, we all should know - it is the "Penn State Culture" - but you get the drift)
3)
Campbell - love him or hate him - has thus far presented as a very righteous guy (at least relatively righteous, within the world of college football coaches)
Kraft has been disingenuous about EVERYTHING - and has clearly displayed an "ego above competence" persona from Day 1.
In all, could Kraft be a dead man walking. Certainly could be, and likely is.
Campbell - while it is possible he may get frustrated and walk away (I do NOT expect that) - is not going anywhere unless by his own choice.
From experience many recruits continue to grow after their freshman year. Obvious right? Possibly Neal is a step slower making his coverage not the same. CJF de-emphasized LBers
for corners and safeties....main reason we are short handed in the room...i believe Neal needs to transitioned to that room. This year is a good time to examine possible realignments of "tweener" players and place them in the positions to best fit their abilities. We always hear coaches comment about putting players in the best possibility to succeed....so use this year to do that.
Who were the other candidates at the time Kraft was hired ? Have any of them been successful since that hire date ?
We dont know if he'll be better or not. If he's not he won't have a job. Definitely not hoping he becomes Franklin. Franklin failed.
I agree that the biggest factor in Campbell's future success or failure at PSU is going to be how well he builds the roster. Can he make PSU an actual destination for both elite level, difference making H.S. recruits and portal transfers? Unless we are talking about a fluke Cinderella season where a team accomplishes much more than what the roster says they should, the proven formula for playoff success is stockpiling as much elite level talent as possible. Even that doesn't guarantee a final 4 appearance, but it gives the best chance. Even if the NIL budget increases to 40-50 million, will elite players want to come to PSU over the other big spenders and proven programs?
So far, this is what we have...
1. 2026 team - Around 30 million NIL for some PSU holdover players, most ISU's best players, some "other schools" players. What is this team really worth in NIL "talent" given the on-field results? Is this more of a 15-20 million roster that was purposefully overpaid just to stitch together a competitive B1G team or was the NIL talent evaluation just that bad?
2. 2027 recruiting class (first full Campbell class) - Out of 22 commits, Ranked 20th-only 1 or 2 top 100 player and 1 or 2 top 200 players. Is that good enough?
3. 2028 recruiting class - out of 3 commits, 2 top 200 /borderline top 100 players. A lot of work to do to get this class top 15 or better.
In terms of elite talent roster building, it's hard to see how PSU has a legit chance to be a final 4 type team until at least 2030. If 2028 and 2029 recruiting turns out to be top 15 or better, those classes combined probably won't be ready for a playoff run until 2030 or 2031. Of course, Campbell will have to crush it in the portal as well.
I'm not saying Kraft was good. I was expecting the Mr. Litany of bullet points to update us all of the specifics.
Even if that Hodge dodge roster played the weakest conference schedule possible?
I think that you have to accept that PSU's hodge podge roster isn't as good as the so-called weak Big 10 teams that they've played so far; that's now reality. With that said, they still had a ten point lead with eight minutes to go in one game and were in a one score game until the end of the game with probably the best team that they'll play this season.
Hat turned sideways walking through the town, looking like a fool with your pants pulled down, pants pulled down, pants pulled down, hand moving rapidly up and down, pants pulled down, pants pulled down, hand moving rapidly up and down.
LOL. Wildly dishonest. I've seen maybe half a dozen this year from Campbell. Big difference is Franklin was doing it with Micah Parsons and Saquon Barkley on his team. In the Kentucky bowl game alone Franklin made nearly ten highly questionable play/game management calls. Same for the overtime game against Illinois. These are the best ones though:
1. Ohio State, 2018 — the fourth-and-5 draw
September 29, 2018 · Penn State lost 27–26This is probably the signature example of Franklin’s criticized play-calling.
Penn State led 26–14 in the fourth quarter before Ohio State rallied. With about 1:22 left, down one point and facing fourth-and-5 at the Ohio State 43-yard line, Penn State needed a first down to continue its potential game-winning drive.
Franklin’s offense ran an inside handoff to Miles Sanders, who was stopped short. Penn State turned the ball over on downs.
Why it became infamous: The situation called for five yards, but the play was a relatively predictable inside run that gave the defense a chance to crowd the line. Franklin acknowledged afterward that Penn State should have called something different.
Verdict: The clearest example of a high-stakes play call that Franklin himself publicly second-guessed.
2. Michigan, 2021 — the failed fake field goal
November 13, 2021 · Penn State lost 21–17In a close game against Michigan, Franklin opted for a fake field goal involving kicker Jordan Stout throwing to another kicker rather than attempting a conventional kick.
The play failed, wasting an opportunity to score in a game Penn State ultimately lost by four points.
Why it became infamous: It was an unconventional trick play in a game where points were precious. Critics questioned why Penn State would entrust such an important situation to a low-percentage option.
Franklin defended the decision afterward, saying, “I'd make the call again.”
Verdict: The memorable example of Franklin choosing a trick play when a straightforward scoring attempt was available.
3. Ohio State, 2018 — burning timeouts before the punt
Same game · First-half clock managementThe fourth-and-5 failure gets most of the attention, but Franklin’s management of the clock and fourth downs in this game also drew criticism.
Among the decisions questioned by commentators were:
- Punting from Ohio State territory on multiple fourth downs.
- Punting on fourth-and-1 near midfield.
- Using consecutive timeouts around a fourth-down decision near the end of the first half.
Verdict: A cluster of situational decisions that became part of the broader criticism of Franklin’s late-game management.
Wildly dishonest or spot on? One mans opinion vs another. Like I said 12 years of Franklin vs 6 games for Campbell. Wildly crazy but I don’t see the improvement. But hey he looks good yelling into the headset.
Oh and an FYI the Punt/To in the fourth has pretty much zoomed to #1 with a bullet of the stupidest ******* thing many PSU people have ever seen.
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LOL, oh look who the asylum let have computer time again. I guess they must be hosing out your cage.
LOL, oh look who the asylum let have computer time again. I guess they must be hosing out your cage.
Here, you know where to ram it....
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Yea I thought that was obvious...Up your *** you dipshit.Here, you know where to ram it....
God you are one stupid MOFO.
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I spent the entire off season reading about how the best players (24) merged with all the players from the PSU roster kept would win 10 games or compete for a spot in the playoffs. I posted that the best thing about this team was the schedule. For which I was taken to task. Now, after 3 losses, only one to a team with more talent on paper, we are crying talent poverty? This is among the most experienced teams in college football with the 2nd "winningest" QB in the college ranks.
There are no excuses for blowing a 17 point lead at home and getting literally blown off the field, not beaten, by Northwestern! 400 yards rushing!
Next year you get to play Oregon and Indiana.....and Illinois, Michigan and at Wisconsin just for fun.
2028 Ohio State, Oregon, Indiana, USC and Iowa.
This is a historically bad Michigan Team. They are 2-3 on the field. They play Indiana, Ohio State UCLA and Oregon after PSU.
This team needs to win on Saturday, no excuses.
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