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Hagan's won't go drafted unfortunately.
Nick most likely won't eithier.

There are only 60 slots available. You got 300 something NCAA D1 alone.
You got at least 30 overseas guys.

It always feels like certain guys get pushed out. Il take the heat on this but it's what I see. Worse part of the season for me.

Now for Maxey. He has been a lockdown top 10 guy all year.....best of luck to him.

But if you dont have a guarantee please dont go!
Good analysis. Really think Nick would be better off coming back also. Think he could improve his consistency and strength enough that would help him on the next level. Playing another year of college versus possibly being in the D league would be better for his confidence. Get all you can on this level while you can in Nick's situation.
 

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Good analysis. Really think Nick would be better off coming back also. Think he could improve his consistency and strength enough that would help him on the next level. Playing another year of college versus possibly being in the D league would be better for his confidence. Get all you can on this level while you can in Nick's situation.
A return of Nick and EJ would not only give us a strong front court, but put the young guys in a much more suitable role. Quickley, Clarke, Boston EJ and Nick with that bench would be pretty incredible.
 

ZaytovenCat

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Obviously you must not have watched UK the last 5 years. The three guys that are all multi millionaires that I listed had and still have almost ZERO offensive game. IQ is not a 6 foot OK scoring guard. He is a 6-3 20 year old scoring machine.
In what world does Wenyen have zero offensive game? In fact his offense is a big reason he keeps getting signed. Diallo has developed as well. Vanderbilt is still limited but he’s 6’7 and can do everything. Even still, he’s barely hanging on and was recently traded as basically a throw away add in to the trade.

I LOVE Quickley. I think he could potentially make it in the league but it’s a gamble. He’s not even as tall as Hagans. IQ’s best path to the nba guaranteed money is coming back and running pg. If he came back and shows he can play pg then he’s looking at first round money IMO.
 

CatsPaws270

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Oh, you believe Quickley won't be drafted? That's delusional and wishful thinking. He's only the SEC POY. Those trying to 'analyze' why he should return are only able to nitpick his imagined weaknesses because he doesn't fit a square peg into some imaginary round hole and they use this to make themselves feel hopeful that he's going to return so they can fantasize about him rounding out a super 2015 type team next season. It's not going to happen.
He's not on any draft boards because he's not a highly sought after prospect. With his numbers...you'd think that would give him a small bump in hype...and the small bump is between not getting drafted and being a late 2nd round pick.

Congrats on his SEC POY, Yante Maten was SEC POY in 2018 and went undrafted. Russ Smith at UofL was an All-American and put up crazy numbers....selected 47th after his senior year and barely ever played. The NBA doesn't care about college awards or numbers.

I'm not saying there's not a chance he goes...but there's not really a big "he's gotta go and can't pass up the money" argument. Because he's not in the range of guaranteed contract. He's not a physical specimen where he will get drafted on intangibles alone....I'd argue EJ Montgomery has more of a case on that than IQ on that end.
 

kyjeff1

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Oh, you believe Quickley won't be drafted? That's delusional and wishful thinking. He's only the SEC POY. Those trying to 'analyze' why he should return are only able to nitpick his imagined weaknesses because he doesn't fit a square peg into some imaginary round hole and they use this to make themselves feel hopeful that he's going to return so they can fantasize about him rounding out a super 2015 type team next season. It's not going to happen.
No, people are saying IQ should come back because he's a late 2nd round pick
 

Wildcats1st

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Oh, you believe Quickley won't be drafted? That's delusional and wishful thinking. He's only the SEC POY. Those trying to 'analyze' why he should return are only able to nitpick his imagined weaknesses because he doesn't fit a square peg into some imaginary round hole and they use this to make themselves feel hopeful that he's going to return so they can fantasize about him rounding out a super 2015 type team next season. It's not going to happen.

The nba is going to be in financial ruins. The g league won’t pay **** now. There will be less guaranteed deals in this draft and quickley won’t be invited to a combine. He has no way to raise his stock and he’s not on really any credible draft board. I hate to sound harsh but this situation has spun out of control and it isn’t going to help guys who needed the tournament to prove themselves. Remember reid Travis was pac10 player of the year and he was never drafted. Being conference player of the year doesn’t mean squat to the nba and like I said they will not be rolling big dice and guaranteeing deals. Idk anyone who would advise iq to go other than agents and people who don’t have his best interest at heart.
 

catswin

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In what world does Wenyen have zero offensive game? In fact his offense is a big reason he keeps getting signed. Diallo has developed as well. Vanderbilt is still limited but he’s 6’7 and can do everything. Even still, he’s barely hanging on and was recently traded as basically a throw away add in to the trade.

I LOVE Quickley. I think he could potentially make it in the league but it’s a gamble. He’s not even as tall as Hagans. IQ’s best path to the nba guaranteed money is coming back and running pg. If he came back and shows he can play pg then he’s looking at first round money IMO.

Wenyen’s 5 points a game at UK might refute your point about him being an offensive juggernaut!!
 
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Montana81

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i haven't seen it.

if IQ comes back, IQ needs to take these two under the wing....because wow IQ, Clarke, Boston would be by far our best backcourt...

I’d still take fox, briscoe, Monk. Those guys averaged nearly 50pts a game.
 

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Quickley will have a hard time ever being a first rounder. He’d have to prove he could be an NBA pg. His physical limitations, and the fact that he appears to be behind Hagans and Maxey as far as who Cal thinks is actually fit to fulfill those duties...I don’t see how anyone could be confident in his ability to do that.
 

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Wenyen’s 5 points a game at UK might refute your point about him being an offensive juggernaut!!
You were talking about them as they are right now. Not at UK. So what does Wenyens offensive game at UK have anything to do with him right now?
 

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Im sorry but I don't see why some of you say you wouldn't want Hagans back. I would welcome a 3rd year PG back with open arms. Do you not remember how great he was the first half of the year? Whatever happened, he made a mistake. Not a damn thing about that makes him a head case. It was an isolated incident.
 

Cowtown Cat

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If Quickley comes back he should be the starting 2G not the point. Stop building a team based on what it does for someone's draft prospects. Playing PG in the NBA is very different than playing PG in college. So even if we tried to do that IQ would still have major questions about moving to the point in the NBA. Besides you are best served by highlighting the things you do well and let the NBA worry about the question marks, rather than highlighting the things you struggle at. Bring IQ and make him the teams best scorer. Put a team including a PG around him that features him. I bet IQ scores over 20 per game and will be back to back best player in the SEC. Plus the team will look better an that will make him far more appealing to the NBA than if he were to produce meager numbers in a different role.

I still remember us making this same mistake with Tony Delk in the 90's. TD was a very poor PG and the team struggled. Move TD back to his best position and we win a title, TD was an All American and the NBA drafted him much higher than they would have if we left him at point.
That’s true. Only difference is TD was always a 2 guard. That’s not the case with IQ. Matter of fact, IQ played quite a bit of PG in high school. He’s a combo guard, TD wasn’t. I get what you’re saying, but the comparison isn’t really the same.
 
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Team next year is gonna be ridiculous jay bias is gonna be begging for an excuse to cancel the tourney again so we don't win.

Clarke and Boston are the real deal and I'm excited about Isaiah Jackson too. Think we'll bring back brooks Quickley juzang and EJ. Hagans Richards and Maxey will go and I don't really have any complaints about them its time for them to move on Richards stock won't be higher Maxey was always oad and Hagans I'm sick of his **** and I think he's sick of college ball

anyway I think we could platoon next year if cal wanted to given who we'll have back the class coming in and any grad additions
 

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He's not on any draft boards because he's not a highly sought after prospect. With his numbers...you'd think that would give him a small bump in hype...and the small bump is between not getting drafted and being a late 2nd round pick.

Congrats on his SEC POY, Yante Maten was SEC POY in 2018 and went undrafted. Russ Smith at UofL was an All-American and put up crazy numbers....selected 47th after his senior year and barely ever played. The NBA doesn't care about college awards or numbers.

I'm not saying there's not a chance he goes...but there's not really a big "he's gotta go and can't pass up the money" argument. Because he's not in the range of guaranteed contract. He's not a physical specimen where he will get drafted on intangibles alone....I'd argue EJ Montgomery has more of a case on that than IQ on that end.
Both players you just compared IQ to were seniors.
 

kyjeff1

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Im sorry but I don't see why some of you say you wouldn't want Hagans back. I would welcome a 3rd year PG back with open arms. Do you not remember how great he was the first half of the year? Whatever happened, he made a mistake. Not a damn thing about that makes him a head case. It was an isolated incident.
I'm with you on this. If he works on his outside shooting, the game would come so much easier to him. He's an elite defender already, if he adds another aspect to his game, it would almost be unfair. You add a well rounded Hagans to Boston, Clarke and possibly IQ, I can't think of a better backcourt… .. ever.

But, if it came down to getting Hagans OR IQ back, I would take IQ.
 
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Im sorry but I don't see why some of you say you wouldn't want Hagans back. I would welcome a 3rd year PG back with open arms. Do you not remember how great he was the first half of the year? Whatever happened, he made a mistake. Not a damn thing about that makes him a head case. It was an isolated incident.
I would drool if we got Hagans back but I can't see him wanting to come back . Not with Clarke and askew and Boston and Juzang getting better and even Quick might come back. Maxey Hagans and Richards are for sure gone IMO . The questions are EJ and QUick and if the NCAA tourney had happened and the NBA not been suspended I think both of them would be gone too but alas we are living in a new world.