So you agree that Cal knew he was leaving and everyone fed us BS so it looked like Cal was actually trying to work for the university who pays him?
Knox is going Pro
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So you agree that Cal knew he was leaving and everyone fed us BS so it looked like Cal was actually trying to work for the university who pays him?
There are like five programs losing multiple kids early in a given year.
Attendance and interest are down in every sport across the country. It has nothing to do with one and done.
Our entitled, whiny *** fans don't represent any semblance of a reasonable sample of data, especially when contrasted with overwhelming actual numbers that prove it's happening everywhere.
Besides, no one here lacked interest in anything when our bracket opened up and we headed to Atlanta. It's a defense mechanism among people who can't process and articulate disappointment or worry.
And quite honestly, if they'll lose interest because our players are good enough to go pro, I hope every one of those fans never watches another game or reads another message board. Let them find something they can handle following.
Everything is hunky dory. Just irrational bitching and whining. Nothing needs to change and even if something could be changed, there's nothing than can be done. Just shut up and enjoy it.
Got it.
That's exactly the reading comprehension to be expected from someone who doesn't understand the difference in correlation and causation.
Congratulations. I can't refute the argument you made up that no one was claiming. You are victorious. Well done. We're all impressed.
Close call though. We almost had a useful discussion.
Probably the fact you think I'm "ranting" and have "reading comprehension" whatever whatever pretentious ******** you just spouted. You want to get down on some David Hume and talk about the difference between what we know and what a mere coupling of events are I'm game. You don't like my opinion. I'm not changing it.
That's fine, but save the strawman "hunky dory" nonsense and do better than to link kids going pro after one season with a nationwide, decade-long, multi-sport trend. Because that isn't an opinion. It's factually incorrect.
You linked it. Not me. You're saying attendance is down at UK because it's down everywhere in all sports, despite the fact that trend started long ago, and didn't touch UK basketball until recently. Then you're proud enough to accuse someone else of confusing correlation with causation. Again, you're the one quoting me, I didn't quote you. You don't like my opinion, TFB.
Same thought I had when I opened the thread and saw it (didn't 'click' on it and watch...why bother). Unless he made two videos..one I'm gone, the other I'm back.
Obviously he made it before he left. Why go home? Staff, etc knew. Wonder who worked the camera, etc?
Because that's how trends work. Not every data point starts at the same time or moves at the same rate. I know you know this, which is why I can't believe you made the original post I quoted. It's a gigantic overreaction.
There is major apathy in the fanbase. I have a friend in Chattanooga always goes to the regionals didn’t this year bc he’s saving his money to go watch our football team in Gainesville. Attendance is down and it’s not bc of all sports it’s bc fans have OAD fatigue and since we lost to Wisconsin in 2015 it’s been downhill.
Oh, I don't know. Maybe the extreme arrogance and passive put downs.
I think there are many variables to the problem you and Celtic are discussing. For you to think you know the exact cause of apathy at UK is false. College basketball could be down for some of the same reasons you cite and the problem be compounded by issues such as what Celtic is referring to. At this point 40 million people could tell you the turnover and system are not helping them gain interest and you'd label everyone of them anecdotal. I'm surprised that you wouldn't take the position that it's more complex than just one thing.
For example, do you not believe if Kentucky had a top 5 team (legitimate top 5) with three Richies and a Darius Rupp wouldn't be packed every game?
Attendance is down because everyone has a 60" 4k television in their living room. You can enjoy sports in high definition without the hassle of traffic or the cost of tickets/concessions.
Attendance is down because everyone has a 60" 4k television in their living room. You can enjoy sports in high definition without the hassle of traffic or the cost of tickets/concessions.
I can be surprised that a smart guy like Celtic makes a claim like that without being mad.
There are obviously lots of variables, but when it's happening in all sports and the way we operate here is so rare even within our sport, it's almost impossible to give that any consideration.
If it were only in college basktball or college sports, maybe you chalk it up to disillusionment with the entire system. But it's everywhere. And it's ongoing.
There might be outliers. Duke might not see it because they play in a broom closet. A team might have the best year they've had in decades in the NFL and set an attendance record.
But it isn't the overall trend at all, so it can't be the particular performance, style, operations, etc of any one franchise or program.
No sir.
This board doesn't allow for excitement over SEC titles. Cal said they're irrelevant, and everyone followed suit. We aren't going to change it when it's beneficial.
Only final fours matter on RR. Nothing miserable about it. It's hilarious.
So if Kentucky had juniors and seniors, good teams, successful etc you think attendance would stay down?
I don't believe that for a second.
There are many factors at play, it's not just as simple as you're making it. I understand you don't want to allow for the possibility that Cals system created some apathy. But it has, I've heard it too much from too many to be dismissed.
I know we won't agree but that's my position. If people were fatigued for economical reasons and started looking toward simple and easier conveniences, the system we have did not help ease that problem. It can be both at a place like UK.
There's another thread with an attendance chart for Cal's tenure. High attendance for our exceptional teams. Less attendance for our not so exceptional teams. Trending down since we put the 1 in 38-1.
2015 had higher attendance numbers than 2014. The trend we're on doesn't fit with the national trend. It fits with how the last three years have gone.
People had big screen televisions and even less disposable income when John Wall and Boogie Cousins were doing their thing 8 seasons ago, but we still managed to average 24k in attendance. As has been pointed out, we'd be selling out every game if the team was legit and we had players people cared about.
What I don't get is why people, like Gonzo, are so quick to dismiss what's very obvious to me. The roster turnover isn't conducive to success (Save the SEC tournament). Lack of success is dragging down support. People all over america not going to their local sporting events doesn't have anything to do with the Cats and how people in Kentucky support them.
I mean if your position is to ignore the actual numbers and imagine hypothetical situations, there's not much point in discussing it.
But while we're at it, are you telling me the numbers would be the same if we were all freshmen and 40-0?
So if your argument is really that less fans pay money to come to games in a particular year when the team isn't as good, well yeah. Obviously. But that isn't about OAD either.
Nope, I don’t. I think that’s the dumbest thing I ever heard. A conspiracy worthy of a tardling.
Was he projected lottery? I didn’t think so, but if he was then he actually hurt himself by returning because he was drafted 18th. Plus the nba had the whole lockout thing going on.
Ok, let me be clear. I have never liked the OAD, and I will never like it. I have come to accept it as that was the route Cal chose. I can live with it as long as he gets the right mix of talent. THAT IS NOT HAPPENING NOW. If Cal insists on the OAD, then he better be getting the top recruits, and he is not. Even the 4 stars won't stay around more than 2 years, before transferring out, so you have a constant turnover each year, this is what is bringing fans down.
I’ve heard all year that he’s the youngest player in college basketball! It’s one year removed from high school and 19 years old. Is it 19 before the drift or turn 19 in the year of the drift? When does he turn 19? I thought I heard Cal say he just turned 18 not too long ago. Just curious!
I never bought the BS from Cal or the media. IMO, Cal is hearing that the fans are getting weary of all the OAD's and team turnover, and was trying to put out the impression that he tries to get them to stay, not buying it.
Kids go to college to get a good job and make a good living.
KK is going to get GOOD money. With a few breaks, in ten or twelve years he can kick back, live life large and continue his education anywhere in the whole wide world.
I despise the OAD program.
Can't hate on a kid for grabbing a dream.
Good luck Kevin Knox.
KK is going to get GOOD money. With a few breaks, in ten or twelve years he can kick back, live life large and continue his education anywhere in the whole wide world.
I despise the OAD program.
Can't hate on a kid for grabbing a dream.
Good luck Kevin Knox.