Lol right? It’s such ********. Best year ever? Then why leave? You can have another great year!
Juzang transferring
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Even with Boston and Clarke, I still think he could've carved out a nice role with a three-guard offense, which I assume Cal would go with a majority of the time. Someone would've been the odd-man out though, whether it was Allen or Fletcher. There just wasn't enough minutes to go around at the 2/3 spots. I'm excited to see what Allen can do moving up a spot in the rotation.
Get Quickley back and we're still set nicely at guard. If he goes pro, we have to get Hardy or Aiken. I don't want to go into next season with zero experience in the backcourt and without a leader.
Get Quickley back and we're still set nicely at guard. If he goes pro, we have to get Hardy or Aiken. I don't want to go into next season with zero experience in the backcourt and without a leader.
I get your frustration, but we will be fine.
College basketball is not the same as it was 10-20-30 years ago. It's just a different game, different world with kids with different mindsets.
Kentucky will be so fun again next year just like always.
It’s the type of loss that adds up. Cal is trying to rebrand UK a bit and build some continuity, but it’s a hardcoated brand at this point.
Little but significant things like this make it harder to compete for titles.
THIS is going to happen he struggled making shots 3/4 of the year though he came in strong the last 1/4. Figure in IF IQ comes back with Clarke he may be lucky to see 8 minutes a game IMO.
I have a buddy that thinks Juzang might have had thoughts that Allen was going to get more PT next year than him. That plus maybe Quickly coming back and the incoming recruits would have cut his minutes.
Whatever his reasons, I hate to see him go. He hustled and had a nose for the ball. And once he started hitting his shots, he looked like he was going to be a good one. We will miss his experience.
Meh it’s whatever but is anyone else remotely surprised on who posted this news to the board? 
I know a lot of you are going to see my name here and think right off the bat that I'm going to trash Cal or the culture, but that's just because you don't understand my beef.
Y'all need to calm down. JJ is doing the right thing for himself and if I were him, this is what I would do.
JJ is a 4 year player and he is smart enough to know that he wouldn't have even seen mop up minutes in 20/21. I think IQ is coming back. I also think it's possible that Hagans is coming back and maybe Hardy is coming plus Kuminga is still a possibility.
JJ is a 4 year player. Y'all understand that right? In this system, you need to be a diehard UK fan to stay if you aren't a legit NBA talent.
He has 3 more years of eligibility remaining and he's doing the smart thing and going to a place where he can play starters minutes.
He's a damn fine young man that got a taste of success here, but the practices are really, really f'ing hard and if he isn't going to even get 10 mpg, why the hell would he stay?
In this system, you can't have a player like Juzang getting big minutes. The offense is not designed for unathletic guys that have no length. He needs to go somewhere that runs a spread offense that values the 3 point shot.
Good luck JJ and thanks for what you did this year.
Y'all need to calm down. JJ is doing the right thing for himself and if I were him, this is what I would do.
JJ is a 4 year player and he is smart enough to know that he wouldn't have even seen mop up minutes in 20/21. I think IQ is coming back. I also think it's possible that Hagans is coming back and maybe Hardy is coming plus Kuminga is still a possibility.
JJ is a 4 year player. Y'all understand that right? In this system, you need to be a diehard UK fan to stay if you aren't a legit NBA talent.
He has 3 more years of eligibility remaining and he's doing the smart thing and going to a place where he can play starters minutes.
He's a damn fine young man that got a taste of success here, but the practices are really, really f'ing hard and if he isn't going to even get 10 mpg, why the hell would he stay?
In this system, you can't have a player like Juzang getting big minutes. The offense is not designed for unathletic guys that have no length. He needs to go somewhere that runs a spread offense that values the 3 point shot.
Good luck JJ and thanks for what you did this year.
Ha Ha , well stated ..
Yep, and had no desire to guard anyone. Looked at Cal like he didn't care when Cal got on him for not playing D. Don't let the door hit you, JJ.
I hate to lose JJ . I think he was going to start making a bigger % of those pretty J's of his after he settled in to high level D 1 ball.
If IQ and Hagans bolt it would make this transfer hurt even more.
And For the love of our good God could we please stop with the " But Clarke and Boston are gonna ___. ____. and average _____. and led us to the promised land " Did you guys that get all jacked up over recruits not learn anything with Whitney ??? All that " he's an alpha dog " BS . the truth is we dont know how these kids are going to perform in year 1 . Its a crap shoot anymore. College ball just sucks The whole " I want my success and I want it now" culture .
If IQ and Hagans bolt it would make this transfer hurt even more.
And For the love of our good God could we please stop with the " But Clarke and Boston are gonna ___. ____. and average _____. and led us to the promised land " Did you guys that get all jacked up over recruits not learn anything with Whitney ??? All that " he's an alpha dog " BS . the truth is we dont know how these kids are going to perform in year 1 . Its a crap shoot anymore. College ball just sucks The whole " I want my success and I want it now" culture .
If you get back Quick it’s not much of a loss. However, if you lose Quickly and Hagans it’s going to become a little more noticeable. It’s not the end of the world and it certainly doesn’t fall under the narrative of we can’t keep anybody.
For me it represents one small reason Cal has not returned to the Final Four since 2015. Building a bench when you aren’t getting a load of top 5 talent is key. Maybe next year is different. Maybe Cal has enough in this upcoming class to overcome the youth mistakes we’ve seen the last couple of seasons and a bench won’t be needed or Quickley comes back.
The Cal defenders will brush this off and hopefully they are right but you can’t be dismissive of all these transfers the last few year from my perspective
For me it represents one small reason Cal has not returned to the Final Four since 2015. Building a bench when you aren’t getting a load of top 5 talent is key. Maybe next year is different. Maybe Cal has enough in this upcoming class to overcome the youth mistakes we’ve seen the last couple of seasons and a bench won’t be needed or Quickley comes back.
The Cal defenders will brush this off and hopefully they are right but you can’t be dismissive of all these transfers the last few year from my perspective
Odd to me. He was just starting to come into his role and seemed to be comfortable on the floor.
I guess he saw who was coming in and rather go somewhere without as much competition. I have no idea.
Folks wanted Cal to recruit multi-year players and he has been, but some of them don't want to wait. Not much he can do.
I guess he saw who was coming in and rather go somewhere without as much competition. I have no idea.
Folks wanted Cal to recruit multi-year players and he has been, but some of them don't want to wait. Not much he can do.
Yeah, and those saying this would be crying if Cal didn't recruit kids like this he can't win with some. Tucker is wrong on this.
So the kid is in California at his home he probably feels nice to be with family and some friends.
I hate losing players who can contribute and wish he didn't leave. With that being said if quickley comes back and there are no more surprises that leaves UK with:
Quickley, EJ, Brooks, Allen returning
Clarke, Boston, Askew, Fletcher, Jackson, Ware incoming
That is a very deep and talented roster! But UK has to get those 4 guys back or something along the lines of those guys.
Quickley, EJ, Brooks, Allen returning
Clarke, Boston, Askew, Fletcher, Jackson, Ware incoming
That is a very deep and talented roster! But UK has to get those 4 guys back or something along the lines of those guys.
I know Cal has addressed before but regarding in state players and comment of "diehard UK fan" you hit the nail on the head.
Darius, Dominque, Willis, Dontaie are the best in state players Cal has coached. They were all Top 100 players I believe. Maybe he shifts mindset to sign these 3☆-4☆ players that are in state, big program fans and keep them around 3 or 4 years that way.
Obviously it didn't work with Baker/Juzang most recently.
FTR
Rupp had 42 transfers in 41 seasons.
Joe B had 10 in 13 seasons
Eddie 7 in 4 seasons
Pitino 7 in 8 seasons
Tubby 14 in 10 seasons
BCG 8 in 2 seasons
Cal 14 in 11 seasons
102 transfers in 89 seasons
Kids leave for various reasons, sometimes it isn't their choice, sometimes it is because it is better for them, sometimes they see the writing on the wall.
Rupp had 42 transfers in 41 seasons.
Joe B had 10 in 13 seasons
Eddie 7 in 4 seasons
Pitino 7 in 8 seasons
Tubby 14 in 10 seasons
BCG 8 in 2 seasons
Cal 14 in 11 seasons
102 transfers in 89 seasons
Kids leave for various reasons, sometimes it isn't their choice, sometimes it is because it is better for them, sometimes they see the writing on the wall.
My take or best guess on Cals transfers...
2 effectively kicked off (Dodson/Tai)
2 walk ons (Pulliam/Brad)
4 LO PT (Poole/Matthews/Baker/Juzang)
1 personal (Harrow)
3 maybe people in their ear (Whitney/Quade/SKJ)
2 head scratchers (Wiltjer/Lee)
2 effectively kicked off (Dodson/Tai)
2 walk ons (Pulliam/Brad)
4 LO PT (Poole/Matthews/Baker/Juzang)
1 personal (Harrow)
3 maybe people in their ear (Whitney/Quade/SKJ)
2 head scratchers (Wiltjer/Lee)
So Johnny is another one and done. Thank you for your 82 point career.
What sucks is we are having guys leave in the middle of their first season or just after their first season of play lately. They aren't even giving the situation a chance to get better. We just have to do a better job of recruiting guys that really want to be here. It's not a dream school if you quit on it before your first season is up.
I'd also stop recruiting the west coast kids unless they are without a doubt legit 1 and dones or Cal needs to emphasize that a lot of players are going to be multi year players. The time of most of our guys leaving after a year seems to be just about over. It may take you a couple of years before going pro.
I'm not certain if it was for lack of effort but yeah, he was Constantly lost on defense. I watched him lose his man repeatedly. But I was hoping that would improve with some experience next year. Oh well.
There isn't anything Cal can do now , but he created this culture , or at least fully embraced it much more than any coach in the NCAA, so it is Cal's bed , he will have to sleep in best he can. I wouldn't set back and say there isn't anything he can do with no responsibility when he created the culture here at UK.
Yeah, I bet he really struggles with that every night...as he snuggles up with his 1800 thread count Egyptian sheets & Louis Vuitton pillow.
I hated to hear this news; liked this kid and thought he had a nice future being a Cat.
But, it is not totally surprising these days. Two thoughts on his leaving:
One; I used to tell kids to list 5 schools they wanted to attend then contact them and go to their camps, check them out. But to keep this in mind: 80% of the girls (I know this is a male, but the numbers were still close) who leave home to go to college farther then a couple hours away end up transferring back closer to home.
Usually only the top tier kids, the true OAD's can handle the move away from home this far.
Two, this is the culture we live in today. Instead of looking around at the competition and thinking, "I can do this" and go out and work their butts off, it is easier to leave and find a place that is closer to their high school environments; one where they don't have to fight for playing time every day.
Kids often take the shorter road to where they want to go whereas a champion will take the extra mile and find themselves alone most often due to the road being less traveled.
I wish you luck JJ; was looking forward to seeing this kid grow but do we get to see any of these kids grow much? As soon as they start to blossom they are gone. We just don't get to see the end product much these days.
But, it is not totally surprising these days. Two thoughts on his leaving:
One; I used to tell kids to list 5 schools they wanted to attend then contact them and go to their camps, check them out. But to keep this in mind: 80% of the girls (I know this is a male, but the numbers were still close) who leave home to go to college farther then a couple hours away end up transferring back closer to home.
Usually only the top tier kids, the true OAD's can handle the move away from home this far.
Two, this is the culture we live in today. Instead of looking around at the competition and thinking, "I can do this" and go out and work their butts off, it is easier to leave and find a place that is closer to their high school environments; one where they don't have to fight for playing time every day.
Kids often take the shorter road to where they want to go whereas a champion will take the extra mile and find themselves alone most often due to the road being less traveled.
I wish you luck JJ; was looking forward to seeing this kid grow but do we get to see any of these kids grow much? As soon as they start to blossom they are gone. We just don't get to see the end product much these days.
Exactly. Cal has built this culture and now it is biting him on the ***. This is the result of Cal putting a really short leash on some guys and yet others make the same mistakes, but stay in the game.
No I read it on a "Big Blue" message board that came across my news feed. I have no idea if it is true but it sounds about right after reading what his daddy said
Bingo. This is why I roll my eyes and laugh at the people who lap that crap up. Give me a break. The overwhelming majority of college age kids are ecstatic to be out on their own. Add to that that these guys are living the college dream being stars at UK, just give me a break with the woe is me homesick ********.
So it's Cal's fault either way huh? That's hard to understand. Would you rather he not have the players coming in that he has signed?
IQ, EJ, and Nick all returned from previous year. IQ became SECPOY. Nick was like a new player and EJ started to become a factor latin the year. These are all kids that returned.
PJ last year. Nobody expected SGA or Herro to be OAD players. Should Cal be blamed that they were? Should he be blamed that players come in with expectations but don't put in the work like others do. Than let people get in their ear.
Juzang came in saying he knew the journey could be more than a year. Maybe he was homesick, who knows.
Just a tired narrative to say Cal is at fault for the culture when he is recruiting at recrod levels at UK and has continued to win at the same time.
Juzang was not thought to be OAD. Neither was Brooks. But as far as I know, he's staying. As have many others. Each kid has a lot to do to determine their path. Some put in the work and fight. Some don't.
Blaming Cal is lazy and agenda driven.
Yeah, if he wants a Dominique Hawkins (Junior/Senior edition) type player coming off the bench, he's going to have to get Kentucjy kids.
He did everything right for JJ. He gave him big minutes in important stretches, but the fact remains, JJ would have lost his sophomore year here, he had to go.
I agree except I'm not sure Juzang would have "lost" his sophomore season.If that would have been the case I think it would have been because of who is returning more than who is coming in