so, we have been reduced to fighting over this... starting out as a looooooong off-season
James Harden's patented move
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Well, I agree with you that Reggie was a ton of fun with the clutch shooting, trash talking and all that.
But @Cindog28 is right about how he shamelessy tried to draw fouls. Dude was the all time master of that trick where you kick your leg out toward the defender to draw contact while you shoot. Hell, he practically invented it.
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It’s not a travel according to NBA rules. It’s been debated over and over. The former head of officials has explained it several times on his Twitter.
I know this it OT, but why did they lock the happy chandler thread? I didn’t see anything negative unless it was taken down already. It’s truly the goat of my old Kentucky home. I want even seven yet but wow. Goosebumps
Speaking of which, did you see the guy for the rockets flop like a fish when he was barely touched on the elbow to the head? I don’t think it was austin rivers but that would of made sense since he was taught by the best
The NBA rules are set from game to game. Depends who is playing and what "stars" are playing. I don't know what you call what Harden does, I just know, I don't like the dude.
This. Hell, my wife even knows this. She said the exact same thing. She said, "well, they don't call walks in the NBA, they allow four or five steps." [laughing]
Didn't say he wasn't. But Reggie was more versatile, played both ends of the court well, and was much more entertaining. Not to mention he didn't take 90%of his teams dribbles and shots.
Now that most of us have gotten past Harden's dribbling, let's tackle a real issue:
The Lebron one maybe the worst.. because the fact that he called him an "effin *****" right after says he purposely went for his face, trying to do damage.
If I was someone like Gerald Green (a bench player) I would fire the basketball right into his face, point blank.. pick up his missing teeth on the floor, take the suspension, and tell him if he does this again, it's going to be worse.
I would lose it if this guy was trying to off my teammates, like he's been doing for the greater part of a decade..
The Lebron one maybe the worst.. because the fact that he called him an "effin *****" right after says he purposely went for his face, trying to do damage.
If I was someone like Gerald Green (a bench player) I would fire the basketball right into his face, point blank.. pick up his missing teeth on the floor, take the suspension, and tell him if he does this again, it's going to be worse.
I would lose it if this guy was trying to off my teammates, like he's been doing for the greater part of a decade..
Does the NBA not call traveling or do fans just not know what traveling actually is?
The flip side is that we seem to have two players per game whistled for traveling just because they drive too quickly after catching the ball for the old, terrible ref to process what happened.
That's a much bigger travesty to me.
The flip side is that we seem to have two players per game whistled for traveling just because they drive too quickly after catching the ball for the old, terrible ref to process what happened.
That's a much bigger travesty to me.
Don't think it has anything to do with whether your going towards or away from the basket it's about when you establish to pivot foot. On a layup it looks like they allow two steps because one of those steps in taken during the process of picking up the dribble. But once the dribble is picked up the next foot down is the pivot foot period and you can only put the other foot down before releasing the ball smile as that.
In today's game the players have stretched the definition of traveling because of how long they take to pick up their dribble. Today's athletes cup the ball on every dribble and on the move can take two full steps just "picking up" their dribble sometimes as the ball rides in one hand...i.e. The euro step. In the old days the ball handler picked it up and brought it to both hands almost immediately which made it easy to tell a walk.
The "gather" cracks me up in the NBA rule book. A player not too long ago clearly took 5-6 steps when going to the basket and they explained it away on the NBA ref twitter as being a gather and two steps. LOL Even the national media picked up on it. It's a joke. 2 steps is the rule and always has been the rule. The NBA changed their rules to cater to the street ball style.
Random, but I’m just curious and have been for awhile lol... who is that in your avatar?
Chicago Rapper/Savage lol Fredo Santana . He died last year .
I think the instance you are referring to was Bradley Beal... which they attributed to the possibility of him “fumbling” the ball not a gather. Even they admitted the fumbling was a stretch.
Actually, in real basketball it's not two full steps. Once the pivot foot leaves the floor and you take a step, you have to shoot or pass the ball before the pivot foot returns to the floor. So you aren't really getting a full two steps. When I was a kid they used to refer to it as a step and half because you have to get rid of the ball before the pivot foot hits the floor again. The NBA is a joke because they actually loosened the rule on traveling, but it seems that in all levels of basketball, they aren't as strict in calling certain things as they should be.
Fine, but then take away every transition basket in NCAA and high school history because without a gather, every pass ahead results in a travel.
Watching Harden play is terribly boring. It's the same thing every time down the court. He iso's a player, dribbles back and forth while everyone is standing around, then he drops back for a three or goes for a lay up.
That's it. That's his whole game.
It's like watching stall ball for 20 seconds until Harden decides on what he wants to do.
He's a good player. One of the best in the league, but I hate watching him. Love his beard though.
It's because the game and the understanding of it has evolved. People didn't take that shot for the same reason that 4s didn't space out to the 3 point line, long 2s were in vogue despite lower points per shot to most 3s, no one understood gravity, and no player had a leash to take step back 3s like Harden does. But here in 2019, smart teams are realizing what wins games. So we have Harden taking (and making, let's not forget, because he's the best in basketball history at it) step back 3s at a rate of 1.20 points per possession, which is phenomenal. http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26118445/these-step-back-3s-sent-another-planet.
You're about 2 years behind on your meme take and woefully uninformed. Harden does not fight through screens (due to both effort and ability), necessitating a switching scheme. But Harden is elite at post D, which is what matters to that defense b/c on a switch Harden is cross-matched on a bigger player. So Houston has to work around his defensive limitations, but once they do he's competent at what he needs to do.
Reggie Miller was fun to watch running around screens, but otherwise he sucked to watch. And Harden has a much higher usage because he's awesome at offense; if Reggie was as good at creating offense, he wouldn't have needed to work through all those screens (and his teams would have been much better).
But otherwise sucked to watch......
THAT is the NBA mantra. Got nothing to do with basketball. Everything you stated is a lot more applicable to fan candy than it is basketball.
What had evolved is an understanding of what sells tickets, not what makes for effective basketball.
This post is illogical idiocy. That guy quite intelligently explained why the way the game today is "effective basketball", and your response is merely to claim it's not with no explanation.
Believe it or not, teams in the 80s and 90s really were not playing the game the right way. They did not adequately understand the importance of spacing and three point shooting, and took WAY too many difficult contested mid range shots when they'd have been better off shooting from deep.
There are multiple reasons why the game is played differently today. For starters, those rule changes removing defensive physicality had a HUGE impact, all those muscular enforcer types like Rick Mahorn and Charles Oakley were suddenly kinda useless under the new rules, and they soon began to be replaced by these skinny three point shooting "stretch" 4s we see today. But also smart people just figured out there was a better way to play. Put more perimeter shooters on the floor, space the floor more, and you'll win more.
The reason you didn't see Harden's step back threes 30 years ago isn't because it was illegal then. Instead it's just that players back then hadn't yet figured out what an effective weapon it is.
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And every generation has said that. New way is better. Old way is wrong. Whine, whine, whine. Children cry floods when they can't get their way. The athlete has not fundamentally changed in a very long time. The rules have changed to keep the game exciting for the pedestrian fan, rather like yourself.
The game is played the way it is now to generate fan interest. Period. Zones were outlawed due to fans. The rules are designed to promote scoring. The refs are well aware that the banner names need to stay in the game and stay productive. Its a business. Business is about the butts in the seats.
Anyone that doesn't understand this very elementary concept is spewing illogical idiocy, as you say. Further, they have comically deceived themselves to think this generation is "special." Its not. Get over yourself.
This statement alone shows how ignorant you are. You don't even remotely know the facts.
Zones are NOT outlawed. It's true they WERE outlawed back in the 80s and 90s (you know, that period when guys like you thought the NBA was super awesome), but that rule was changed and zone legalized starting the 02 season. Seems you're not even aware that happened.
You have no idea what you're even watching. You come off as just a dumb angry old man screaming at the wind.
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Trying to watch this but its not fun to me ... Houston has taken 25 threes with 3 to go in the first half .. both teams flop around like fish outta water , both ***** like mad to the refs . its just not good basketball. Like a YMCA game at lunch time
Yeah but he hit a very clutch 3 to keep it within 10 at the half.. That has to drive you nuts if you're MDA.
Point is the rules are driven to generate fan interest. They always have been. You are one narrow minded youth that lack the vision and experience to see this. Your view of basketball too limited.
Live in your fantasy. You merely prove my point. ESPN and the NBA got the ring in your nose for sure and laughably so.
I'm 51 years old. I graduated from UK nearly three decades ago (hence, why my user name is UK90). You are barking totally up the wrong tree here by trying to portray me as some sort out out of touch mlllennial.
I did not take issue with your posts because of any sort of generational bias, instead I did so because your posts were wrong and dumb to informed intelligent people of ANY generation.
Looks more like Bin Laden. And that’s why he gets away with the travel, can’t offend the Muslims.
It's amazing how bad Houston looks against GSW when Harden goes into hero mode. 3 years of this. Just move the ball around! It'll come back to you 90% of the time..
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