If you can't do it right, then do not do it all.

[G- RUnit]

we got there around 330. in the building in 5 minutes

We got there about 3:40. In the building for the National Anthem. Good 15 minutes probably +.

 

[needmorecowbell]

I’m sure there were plenty of other people inside the RAC they could have pulled out to check cards.

I live over an hour away and have had no problem getting in on time when I get to the front of the RAC 10-15 minutes before the game.

They can’t have 1 person “checking” thousands of peoples cards - stop making excuses.

I was at the door at 3:35 and there were 3 people checking cards at the first group of doors. Plus more people checking at the second group of doors. Something must of happened because that wasn’t the case 20 mins earlier.

 

[bac2therac]

Yeah, that "Johns Hopkins Study" was laughable in its inaccuracies and data cherry-picking. Countries that smartly utilized NPIs (non-pharmaceutical interventions), like masking, testing/tracing/isolating and selective lockdowns, especially until their populations were mostly vaccinated have crushed COVID relative to the US and most of Europe, South America and many other countries. As per the Forbes article,

Claiming that NPIs “have had little to no public health effects” simply goes against what’s been observed and documented throughout this Covid-19 pandemic. Just look at the rather stark differences among how countries have fared during this pandemic in terms of Covid-19 cases, hospitalizations, and deaths. Countries that have followed the existing scientific evidence such as New Zealand, Taiwan, and South Korea have had much fewer deaths and hospitalizations than countries that have frequently veered away from the science such as the U.S., the U.K., and Brazil.

Specifically, countries like Japan, Australia, Norway, South Korea and many more had about 1/10th to 1/20th the per capita death rates vs. the US over the length of the pandemic and countries with the most aggressive interventions, like New Zealand, Taiwan, Hong Kong, China and others had less than 1/100th our per capita death rate. That doesn't mean there weren't economic or other impacts of some of the mitigation measures, but to argue that they were completely ineffective with regard to saving lives is ignorant.

you know what else was laughable...the cdc using that phony mask study they touted last week. NOT STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT not to mention it was barely scientific in how it was done

but so it goes...you toss the ones you dont like and tout the ones that prop up what you have been doing and then act like only you know science

 

[bac2therac]

It wasn't the checker it was the scanners.

I walked right past the checker he never saw anything of mine. The scanners are just slow and of course you get the occasional middle aged woman who can't figure out how show her tickets holding up the line (that happened when I got to the door at least)

but I thought going away from paper tickets was the way to go they said, and to make matters worse...the guy TOUCHED MY PHONE AND EVERYONE ELSES...how is that for stopping the spread

 

[Shelby65]

AZBlues...don't waste any energy refuting Bac....he's the #1 conspiracy theory clownshow moron here. His ridiculousness is only rivaled by Baghdad Bob except Bob knew he was bullshi**ing.

Bac actually believes what he says,.

 

[Shelby65]

AZBlues...don't waste any energy refuting Bac....he's the #1 conspiracy theory clownshow moron here. His ridiculousness is only rivaled by Baghdad Bob except Bob knew he was bullshi**ing.

Bac actually believes what he says. He's far-right in ideology, but far-left on the IQ curve. Idiots are real.

 

[RU848789]

but I thought going away from paper tickets was the way to go they said, and to make matters worse...the guy TOUCHED MY PHONE AND EVERYONE ELSES...how is that for stopping the spread

It's been known for a long time that fomite transmission is negligible, so stop with the faux outrage on that one.

 

[bac2therac]

so the guy touches his mask and then touches my phone he wont spread potential covid..hmm

 

[RUPete]

but I thought going away from paper tickets was the way to go they said, and to make matters worse...the guy TOUCHED MY PHONE AND EVERYONE ELSES...how is that for stopping the spread

The devices take forever for tickets and parking. Definitely not speeding things up. I seem to get in faster with my paper tickets than people do with their phones.

 

[motorb54]

You Shelby are a ******'*******.

 

[RU848789]

you know what else was laughable...the cdc using that phony mask study they touted last week. NOT STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT not to mention it was barely scientific in how it was done

but so it goes...you toss the ones you dont like and tout the ones that prop up what you have been doing and then act like only you know science

There was nothing "wrong" with that CDC study, per se, but it's far from the most powerful scientific study supporting that masks reduce infections (not stop, reduce), as it was survey-based and not a randomized, controlled trial (which have been done, showing mask efficacy). It also was conducted before the much more transmissible omicron evolved, so its current applicability is less relevant other than to once again show that N95/KN95 are the best masks, which has been known forever.

I've said this many times and I'll repeat it again (and it's in the post linked below, which contains links to some primary mask science, as well as to an earlier post of mine with even more scientific links). The reason I know more about masks and particulate filtration is that I've spent 30+ years doing actual science, including conducting and authoring an internal study at Merck on efficacy of different masks in filtering out toxic particulates, which are quite similar in many ways to virus-laden water droplets that carry the vast majority of SARS-CoV-2 virus particles.

Masks work, but imperfectly, to filter out particulates/viruses, and some masks work better than others. With omicron, however, mask efficacy has gone down vs. the original strain which was 5-10X less transmissible than omicron. That you would place your faith in reporters and other non-scientists on Twitter over published scientific data says a lot about your inability to think critically and understand the science involved.

https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/threads/nebby-covid.233575/post-5489205

 

[Shelby65]

You Shelby are a ****in'*******.

Yes, I can be. So ?

That's irrelevant to Bac being a conspiracy theory, clownshow moron. Fact. What is not remotely close to being facts are Bac's feeble, kindergarten-level nonsensical scientific claims.

 

[Joey Bags]

I emailed the athletic department after the game and was told they cannot find people willing to staff the lines to check documents, but that the vax card check will be a permanent fixture of game day at RU even after the state lifts restrictions and likened it to checking IDs at a bar.

So I guess we'll be doing this for years to come.

 

[RUPete]

I emailed the athletic department after the game and was told they cannot find people willing to staff the lines to check documents, but that the vax card check will be a permanent fixture of game day at RU even after the state lifts restrictions and likened it to checking IDs at a bar.

So I guess we'll be doing this for years to come.

I don't know about years. We started the season without the checks so if the numbers keep trending the right way, hopefully it won't be in place next year.

 

[AZBlues]

It's been known for a long time that fomite transmission is negligible, so stop with the faux outrage on that one.

Oh no... You've got to be kidding me!... You mean that I paid that ticket guy big bucks to contaminate Bac's phone for nothing? And what's worse, the guy evidently tried to contaminate everybody else's phone too, when he received explicit instructions to only contaminate Bac's phone.
Oh well... I just hope that Sweet Pea's dad will be okay if the guy touched his phone too. Wife has absolutely no interest in RU sports without Sweet Pea.

 

[needmorecowbell]

but I thought going away from paper tickets was the way to go they said, and to make matters worse...the guy TOUCHED MY PHONE AND EVERYONE ELSES...how is that for stopping the spread

It’s a respiratory virus. Hence the masks. Just don’t make out with your phone and you should be alright.

 

[bac2therac]

Oh no... You've got to be kidding me!... You mean that I paid that ticket guy big bucks to contaminate Bac's phone for nothing? And what's worse, the guy evidently tried to contaminate everybody else's phone too, when he received explicit instructions to only contaminate Bac's phone.
Oh well... I just hope that Sweet Pea's dad will be okay if the guy touched his phone too. Wife has absolutely no interest in RU sports without Sweet Pea.

yes a guy wearing gloves touching everyones germy phones, that makes tons of sense..almost as much as sense as the useless masks at this point

 

[G- RUnit]

The devices take forever for tickets and parking. Definitely not speeding things up. I seem to get in faster with my paper tickets than people do with their phones.

That’s the irony of it all. It hasn’t been. I suppose it saves paper but paper was easier and quicker.

 

[RUPete]

That’s the irony of it all. It hasn’t been. I suppose it saves paper but paper was easier and quicker.

Some of it could be “operator” error. Maybe it will take a few more seasons to operate better.

 

[Luvscarletknights]

I’m sure there were plenty of other people inside the RAC they could have pulled out to check cards.

I live over an hour away and have had no problem getting in on time when I get to the front of the RAC 10-15 minutes before the game.

They can’t have 1 person “checking” thousands of peoples cards - stop making excuses.

The ticket machine took longer than the guy checking cards.

 

[cm_13]

When I walked up and saw the crowd (at about 3:48 pm) I assumed I wasn’t getting in there for tip. My fiancé immediately walked away and called me 30 seconds later telling me to come find her. When I did she was somehow right at the front of one of the lines and we were inside in a matter of five minutes (she’s great).

 

[S_Janowski]

The ticket machine took longer than the guy checking cards.

There was 1 guy checking everyone’s cards and then I believe 4 lines to choose from to go in and get your ticket scanned after you got through 1 guy.

So even if it took longer to get your ticket scanned there was more than 1 line to choose from.

Having 1 guy check vaccine cards for 50% of the people trying to get in is absurd, not sure why you’re trying to defend it. He wasn’t even checking them bc there was so many people trying to show it at once, so what’s the point?

 

[BossNJ]

I'm not angry, I'm just chuckling to myself... Massive Johns Hopkins study???? Science? I guess we have a very different understanding of what science is.

Did you actually read all of the details of the actual economists' study and how they chose to obtain information? Only one of the 3 economists (NOT medical or science personnel) who authored the study had anything to do with Johns Hopkins, and he had nothing to do with the renowned medical school... I'm not sure if I'd call that "massive", at least not when using that study as your ironclad evidence that institutions "ignore the science"..... The main thing that those authors concluded was that lockdowns only reduce the covid mortality rate by a small amount, and that lockdowns significantly hurt the economy, based on the small amount of studies that they chose to use for their conclusions out of over 18,000 studies that they had available to them. So I'm not sure how thorough or accurate their results were. And before Bac and his henchmen start accusing me of obtaining my words from left wing media sources again, I only looked at the actual study that was published, and then researched the authors.

And this is a story regarding the "study" from Forbes that I just found after I typed this post, for you guys who are taking the "study" as gospel and using it as "proof" that you can ignore any covid precautions. FYI, Forbes is not a left wing media outlet.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucel...ineffective-against-covid-19/?sh=1a071d0a1225

“Bac and his henchmen”…

Phrase of the year so far!

 

[AZBlues]

yes a guy wearing gloves touching everyones germy phones, that makes tons of sense..almost as much as sense as the useless masks at this point

Obviously I don't agree that masks are completely useless, but I also don't like the idea of a guy handling my phone after handling hundreds of strangers' phones either, even though the chance of transmitting or contracting the virus may be a little lower from touching a phone than from certain other forms of transmission. But since transmission of the virus is still possible from touching a contaminated phone (until the virus on the phone dies), I'd rather avoid having live virus near my face and mouth and on my hands if possible, and especially if I didn't have a way to sanitize my phone and hands at the time.

 

[BossNJ]

I wasn't trying to defend or support all covid restrictions in my previous post Bac, and I don't want to start a debate that ends up getting another thread locked... What I was trying to do was to point out the details and facts surrounding the aforementioned "study", to show that it probably isn't the best evidence to use as proof that covid restrictions don't work.

They’ll latch on to anything they can.

Bac’s random Twitter guy posts are “studies”.

 

[RUfubar_rivals]

Dr Marty Makarty from Johns Hopkins

https://twitter.com/search?q=Marty Makary&src=typeahead_click

From "Marty". Lol

Study limitations include lack of direct neutralization assays, the fact that antibody levels alone do not directly equate to immunity,4,6 the cross-sectional study design, a convenience sample with an unknown degree of selection bias due to public recruitment, self-reported COVID-19 test results, the study population being largely White and healthy, and lack of information on breakthrough infections. Participants were given only 1 month to complete antibody testing, which may have contributed to the 52% rate among those invited to test.

Although evidence of natural immunity in unvaccinated healthy US adults up to 20 months after confirmed COVID-19 infection is encouraging, it is unclear how these antibody levels correlate with protection against future SARS-CoV-2 infections, particularly with emerging variants. The public health implications and long-term understanding of these findings merit further consideration.

 

[Luvscarletknights]

Obviously I don't agree that masks are completely useless, but I also don't like the idea of a guy handling my phone after handling hundreds of strangers' phones either, even though the chance of transmitting or contracting the virus may be a little lower from touching a phone than from certain other forms of transmission. But since transmission of the virus is still possible from touching a contaminated phone (until the virus on the phone dies), I'd rather avoid having live virus near my face and mouth and on my hands if possible, and especially if I didn't have a way to sanitize my phone and hands at the time.

Nobody has ever touched my phone at a game? You hold it up to show vax and you scan it at ticket machine.

 

[AZBlues]

Nobody has ever touched my phone at a game? You hold it up and you scan it at ticket machine.

Why did the guy in Bac's line touch everybody's phone then? Did the event staff also touch other poster's phones, or did Bac just pick a bad line to go in? Or is the ticket machine one thing, and the verification of vaccination or negative test another thing that might require handling of the phone by staff? (It's hard to get to a game at the JMAC from Arizona, so it's been a few years for me and I don't know how the entry process works...)

 

[SkilletHead2]

The "Hopkins" study did not come out of the Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center; it came out of a center started by an econ prof there who is a fellow at the Cato Institute. None of the authors have any background in epidemiology. They basically eliminated almost all studies that could show that lockdowns work. But, they included a study done by an economist here in NZ that purported to show that lockdowns don't work. In New Zealand!

They also eliminated any study that modeled death projections. That's pretty much the best way to estimate deaths avoided. Imagine you are mayor of a town and a railroad runs through it. 1000 people are holding a party on the tracks and you know that the 6:47 out of Newark is going to roll around a blind corner and through the town without stopping in 15 minutes. So you go to the tracks and tell the people about this and order them to get off the tracks. They do. Then the train rolls through. Nobody hurt, and they go back to partying. Did you save 1000 lives with your order? Or maybe at least 100? Well, you'd have to model the mortality rate. But if you did, the Hopkins/Cato economists wouldn't count your study because you used statistical modeling. According to them, there is no evidence that any lives were saved.

 

[bac2therac]

Look how they rush to shut down anything that challenges the company line

So predictable

As if they got everything right...the hubris in them..all lockstep

 

[T2Kplus20]

The "Hopkins" study did not come out of the Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center; it came out of a center started by an econ prof there who is a fellow at the Cato Institute. None of the authors have any background in epidemiology. They basically eliminated almost all studies that could show that lockdowns work. But, they included a study done by an economist here in NZ that purported to show that lockdowns don't work. In New Zealand!

They also eliminated any study that modeled death projections. That's pretty much the best way to estimate deaths avoided. Imagine you are mayor of a town and a railroad runs through it. 1000 people are holding a party on the tracks and you know that the 6:47 out of Newark is going to roll around a blind corner and through the town without stopping in 15 minutes. So you go to the tracks and tell the people about this and order them to get off the tracks. They do. Then the train rolls through. Nobody hurt, and they go back to partying. Did you save 1000 lives with your order? Or maybe at least 100? Well, you'd have to model the mortality rate. But if you did, the Hopkins/Cato economists wouldn't count your study because you used statistical modeling. According to them, there is no evidence that any lives were saved.

You forgot to mention something obvious. Any study that tries to measure whether lockdowns worked or didn't, especially in the US, is BS. How do you account for the fact that a huge # of people ignored the mandate and did whatever the hell they wanted? There is no data on this, so any analysis is fatally compromised.

 

[bac2therac]

You only have to look in the comments to Murphy's tweets about lifting school mask mandates. These people risk assessments have been ******

 

[bac2therac]

Why did the guy in Bac's line touch everybody's phone then? Did the event staff also touch other poster's phones, or did Bac just pick a bad line to go in? Or is the ticket machine one thing, and the verification of vaccination or negative test another thing that might require handling of the phone by staff? (It's hard to get to a game at the JMAC from Arizona, so it's been a few years for me and I don't know how the entry process works...)

Its because the scanners work poorly..also ive seen them touch phones to see vax photo

 

[RUBlackout]

What a bunch of idiots on this thread.

the line had nothing to do with vax cards…all about ticket entry as those machines that’s scan and having to use your phone are awful.

there were kids online laughing at some people who couldn’t figure out their phones. It was like watching monkeys use tools for the first time.

 

[T2Kplus20]

You only have to look in the comments to Murphy's tweets about lifting school mask mandates. These people risk assessments have been ****ed

I think it is safe to say that in theory with 100% compliance, lockdowns work. However, in real world practice, hell no. Freewill gets in the way. LOL!

 

[S_Janowski]

What a bunch of idiots on this thread.

the line had nothing to do with vax cards…all about ticket entry as those machines that’s scan and having to use your phone are awful.

there were kids online laughing at some people who couldn’t figure out their phones. It was like watching monkeys use tools for the first time.

Bro they had 1 guy checking vax cards for a whole entrance. The backup certainly could have been cause by both but the 1 guy was definitely holding things up. And he also was barely checking. I could have held up anything.

 

[RUPete]

You forgot to mention something obvious. Any study that tries to measure whether lockdowns worked or didn't, especially in the US, is BS. How do you account for the fact that a huge # of people ignored the mandate and did whatever the hell they wanted? There is no data on this, so any analysis is fatally compromised.

This board has been pretty good about sticking to hoops. Can we continue to do that without the interlopers addicted to politicizing everything screwing things up? Last thing we need is another one of these threads as we enter a critical run.

 

[bac2therac]

This board has been pretty good about sticking to hoops. Can we continue to do that without the interlopers addicted to politicizing everything screwing things up? Last thing we need is another one of these threads as we enter a critical run.

Focus

 

[AZBlues]

Look how they rush to shut down anything that challenges the company line

So predictable

As if they got everything right...the hubris in them..all lockstep

Or are they rushing to "shut down" faulty and inaccurate information that certain people post as fact, that could be harmful to others if people inadvertently believe that the inaccurate posted information is true?

 

[bac2therac]

Or are they rushing to "shut down" faulty and inaccurate information that certain people post as fact, that could be harmful to others if people inadvertently believe that the inaccurate posted information is true?

Imagine cheering for lockdowns

Also like they ignore natural immunity studies?