If I'm Keli...

[CapeCodKnight]

I'm calling James Franklin.

Keli: Hello, James. I want to offer you an opportunity to stay in the B1G
JF: I'm listening.
Keli: We don't have buy-out and new signing money, but hear me out.
JF: I'm still listening
Keli: You're getting $50 mil. Come here for a couple of million a year so we can pay top dollar for your staff and pay Greg's buyout
JF: I'm still listening.
Keli: We'll give you a 5-year deal, full of incentives. If we part ways within the first 5 years, your buyout will be healthy.
JF: How healthy?
Keli: Let's talk

 

[RUTGERS95]

how Keli handles this will tell us everything about the future of athletics here

 

[AdventureHasAName]

Franklin isn't a better coach than Schiano. He might not be worse, but he's not better.

 

[dark_check]

how Keli handles this will tell us everything about the future of athletics here

Don’t expect much

 

[Doctor Worm]

I'm calling James Franklin.

Keli: Hello, James. I want to offer you an opportunity to stay in the B1G
JF: I'm listening.
Keli: We don't have buy-out and new signing money, but hear me out.
JF: I'm still listening
Keli: You're getting $50 mil. Come here for a couple of million a year so we can pay top dollar for your staff and pay Greg's buyout
JF: I'm still listening.
Keli: We'll give you a 5-year deal, full of incentives. If we part ways within the first 5 years, your buyout will be healthy.
JF: How healthy?
Keli: Let's talk

You lost me at JF's first listen. Because his ego won't let him listen at all. And his PSU contract ensures that he can and will be picky.

That said, no harm in Keli making the phone call.

 

[Anon1754923206]

Franklin isn't a better coach than Schiano. He might not be worse, but he's not better.

I’m embarrassed for you…

 

[CapeCodKnight]

You lost me at JF's first listen. Because his ego won't let him listen at all. And his PSU contract ensures that he can and will be picky.

That said, no harm in Keli making the phone call.

I would never underestimate the desire to stay in the conference to try and stick it to your critics.

 

[ClassOf02v.2]

Greg isn’t going anywhere. Keli & Tate have both publicly stated that he knows what it takes. While that certainly isn’t the be all/end all, they will justify that he’s had no institutional support on NIL. Combined with his contract, that will get him at least one more year.

 

[jsol_05]

Franklin isn't a better coach than Schiano. He might not be worse, but he's not better.

Yeah right, he a better recruiter and coach. His record is 128-60 and GS is 98-105 but if you want to believe GS is a better coach you go ahead. One thing isn't in dispute is that JF is a better winner then GS and that all that matters when it come to coaching

 

[ClassOf02v.2]

I would never underestimate the desire to stay in the conference to try and stick it to your critics.

I hear you, but JF is going to be a top 2-3 candidate in a year where a ton of huge jobs are open. You think he’s going to consider a mid-bottom conference team?

 

[RUgal]

I'm calling James Franklin.

Keli: Hello, James. I want to offer you an opportunity to stay in the B1G
JF: I'm listening.
Keli: We don't have buy-out and new signing money, but hear me out.
JF: I'm still listening
Keli: You're getting $50 mil. Come here for a couple of million a year so we can pay top dollar for your staff and pay Greg's buyout
JF: I'm still listening.
Keli: We'll give you a 5-year deal, full of incentives. If we part ways within the first 5 years, your buyout will be healthy.
JF: How healthy?
Keli: Let's talk

Franklin will get way better offer from way better teams.

 

[RUTGERS95]

Franklin isn't a better coach than Schiano. He might not be worse, but he's not better.

you just earned 'the moron button'

 

[RUgal]

I hear you, but JF is going to be a top 2-3 candidate in a year where a ton of huge jobs are open. You think he’s going to consider a mid-bottom conference team?

I think his wife is from California. UCLA and USC are both better opportunities than Rutgers, if he wants to stay in conference.

 

[Jerseylegends]

They're going to have to find an up and coming coach, hopefully an offensive play caller. If he gets poached later on, whatever, that will raise the profile of the Rutgers job..

 

[CapeCodKnight]

Put yourself in Franklin's position. You're set for life financially. Sure, you can go to Virginia Tech and win, but then everyone, including yourself, will question that success. Yeah, you won in the ACC, but you couldn't make it in the B1G. If you don't think that's motivation to listen to a pitch from Rutgers, than you probably don't know much about the human psyche.

 

[RUBlackout]

I’m going for a head coach that is up and coming over JF

if you listened to college Gameday today about the more successful coaches right now many of the didn’t even have HC experience.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

you just earned 'the moron button'

I'll never recover.

 

[noble106]

Franklin isn't a better coach than Schiano. He might not be worse, but he's not better.

I get what you're saying. But Franklin gets better results and has a better following with recruits. Most teams are going to take Franklin over Schiano regardless of how well their gameday coaching is.

 

[Redrich66]

Game day coaching ? That’s one of Greg’s strong suits?? Ha ha ha!

 

[scarletrat99]

Realistically, Schiano and his mediocre, scared coaching will be for at least a year--our best shot is he just decides to retire (seems very unlikely).

What I then hope is the AD and school pressure Schiano to make meaningful changes to the staff, especially put us and Rob Smith out of our collective misery and hire a competent special teams coach. The OC makes way too much based on the results. Look at the play-calling and personnel groupings today vs Illinois.

 

[Knight Shift]

how Keli handles this will tell us everything about the future of athletics here

No it wont.

 

[Krup062]

I'm calling James Franklin.

Keli: Hello, James. I want to offer you an opportunity to stay in the B1G
JF: I'm listening.
Keli: We don't have buy-out and new signing money, but hear me out.
JF: I'm still listening
Keli: You're getting $50 mil. Come here for a couple of million a year so we can pay top dollar for your staff and pay Greg's buyout
JF: I'm still listening.
Keli: We'll give you a 5-year deal, full of incentives. If we part ways within the first 5 years, your buyout will be healthy.
JF: How healthy?
Keli: Let's talk

Penn State would sue, and win, if RU hired Franklin for significantly less than what Schiano is making.

 

[Retired711]

Can I ask some *really* elementary questions?

*Schiano has always been a defense-first coach. How did the defense get so bad??

*My understanding is that his current buyout is $23.5 million, but that it decreases after this year. I *think* I read that it was $28 million last year and that it gradually diminishes. Is it around $18 million next year?

* Is there any possibility that the fan base can raise the money for a buyout -- or that the university would use its own money to buy him out?

 

[mdk02]

Fan base? No

 

[Retired711]

Penn State would sue, and win, if RU hired Franklin for significantly less than what Schiano is making.

That would depend on whether it could be established that Franklin would have made more money either here or elsewhere through good-faith efforts. That's not an easy thing to establish. In any case, I would be *very* surprised if Franklin and Rutgers see each other as a good fit.

 

[rutgersguy2]

Penn State would sue, and win, if RU hired Franklin for significantly less than what Schiano is making.

He’ll probably get 5-6M at least wherever he lands, But I think a school could hire him for 3-4M if they wanted and he didn’t care about appearances of it.

As long as it’s a reasonable salary, I don’t think they’d have grounds for anything. It would have be abnormally low. Bielema is the only time I’ve seen it come up and it was abnormally low and they settled nonetheless.

 

[Shelby65]

Penn State would sue, and win, if RU hired Franklin for significantly less than what Schiano is making.

Can’t happen, as you know. He can’t take a a job for less than market value.

 

[CapeCodKnight]

That would depend on whether it could be established that Franklin would have made more money either here or elsewhere through good-faith efforts. That's not an easy thing to establish. In any case, I would be *very* surprised if Franklin and Rutgers see each other as a good fit.

I'm impressed with how many individuals are intimately familiar with the details of Franklin's contract. We have no idea if he's prohibited from taking another B1G job, or whether that would reduce his buy-out if he did. The question is whether the circumstances present an opportunity to hire Franklin, and whether we should investigate that possibility.

 

[RU206]

Can JF bring the PSU NIL fund with him ?

 

[-RUFAN4LIFE-]

I'm calling James Franklin.

Keli: Hello, James. I want to offer you an opportunity to stay in the B1G
JF: I'm listening.
Keli: We don't have buy-out and new signing money, but hear me out.
JF: I'm still listening
Keli: You're getting $50 mil. Come here for a couple of million a year so we can pay top dollar for your staff and pay Greg's buyout
JF: I'm still listening.
Keli: We'll give you a 5-year deal, full of incentives. If we part ways within the first 5 years, your buyout will be healthy.
JF: How healthy?
Keli: Let's talk

And then you woke up to realize how stupid and absurd this post is.

 

[WillieTheSilent]

I don’t understand the blind faith in Zinn and Tate. They left LSU and it is a mess right now. The governor is getting involved.
(I should add, this is not a vote of no confidence.. it is DOUBT.. which few here seems to put in their calculations when discussing booting Schiano)

 

[-RUFAN4LIFE-]

Put yourself in Franklin's position. You're set for life financially. Sure, you can go to Virginia Tech and win, but then everyone, including yourself, will question that success. Yeah, you won in the ACC, but you couldn't make it in the B1G. If you don't think that's motivation to listen to a pitch from Rutgers, than you probably don't know much about the human psyche.

^^^ Tell us you don't much about college coaches without actually telling us.

 

[Retired711]

I'm impressed with how many individuals are intimately familiar with the details of Franklin's contract. We have no idea if he's prohibited from taking another B1G job, or whether that would reduce his buy-out if he did. The question is whether the circumstances present an opportunity to hire Franklin, and whether we should investigate that possibility.

It is public information that Franklin has an obligation under his contract to make a good-faith effort to find other coaching or broadcast employment to offset the buyout. https://sports.yahoo.com/article/james-franklin-required-look-job-231744154.html UCLA, another B1G school, has been mentioned as a possibility. https://sports.yahoo.com/article/james-franklin-mentioned-2-coaching-020000874.html No one has suggested that he is prohibited from taking another B1G job.

 

[-RUFAN4LIFE-]

It is public information that Franklin has an obligation under his contract to make a good-faith effort to find other coaching or broadcast employment to offset the buyout. https://sports.yahoo.com/article/james-franklin-required-look-job-231744154.html UCLA, another B1G school, has been mentioned as a possibility. https://sports.yahoo.com/article/james-franklin-mentioned-2-coaching-020000874.html No one has suggested that he is prohibited from taking another B1G job.

Good luck proving a coach didn't make a good faith effort to find other employment.

 

[RU206]

I don’t understand the blind faith in Zinn and Tate. They left LSU and it is a mess right now. The governor is getting involved.

They left because of the governor

 

[RUgal]

I don’t understand the blind faith in Zinn and Tate. They left LSU and it is a mess right now. The governor is getting involved.

The governor getting involved seems to me to be the reason it’s such a mess.

 

[RUgal]

Penn State would sue, and win, if RU hired Franklin for significantly less than what Schiano is making.

Bielema sued Arkansas when they refused to pay out. They reached a settlement:

“Under these terms, the Razorback Foundation will make a final payment of $3,529,167 to Coach Bielema, and he will release the Razorback Foundation from $3,850,000 in payments.”

Settlement reached between Bielema and Razorback Foundation - Talk Business & Politics

Former University of Arkansas head football coach Bret Bielema and the Razorback Foundation announced Friday (April 23) a settlement of a contract dispute that will see the former coach paid...

talkbusiness.net

 

[Knight Shift]

Good luck proving a coach didn't make a good faith effort to find other employment.

Arkansas tried that with Bielema and lost. It came out in testimony, that Bielema interviewed and almost got the Rutgers job when Greg. 2.0 initially walked away from the negotiating table.

 

[Knight Shift]

The governor getting involved seems to me to be the reason it’s such a mess.

The AD was an asshat. The Governor is a bigger asshat. Zinn and Tate were wise to leave, but some of our fans want to start throwing shade at them. Unbelievable.

 

[Retired711]

Good luck proving a coach didn't make a good faith effort to find other employment.

That's probably an overstatement -- but what else are chatboards for? The idea that a party has a duty to make a good faith effort to mitigate damages is over 150 years old; there are plenty of cases on it. If he just sits on his rear at home not returning phone calls or makes a clearly excessive demand ("pay me double what I was making at Penn State") that's pretty clearly not a good faith effort. But you're certainly right that, if he does make some effort, the case is going to be a closer one. That's probably why the Bielma situation ended with a settlement.

P.S. there's talk at Cal about firing the coach at the end of the year, and offering to reduce the buyout by exempting him from having to look for a new job. [addition]