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seccats04

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2016 through 2020, Cal's win percentage was 78.2%. That's just above par for our history. The trend was from highest of highs to only good. We then had a disaster of a season last year and you average that into any group of years and it makes the collective group of seasons look worse.
Cal is .500 against the top 25 the last 5 years. 1-4 against Kansas. Like 5-8 against UT. 5-5 against Auburn. This wasn't just one bad year.
 

kl40504_rivals

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Kybassfan and his multiple accounts think it’s cute to use different names to make it look legit. Create all the names you want, but the posting style remains the same. I had to put two of them on ignore. Just simpletons.
You tend to accuse several people of having multiple accounts when it really is just many posters disagreeing with your posts because it evident all you want is Cal to be fired.
 

kl40504_rivals

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We always drop 2 or 3 OOC games we shouldn't almost every year. Anow now Cal can't beat up on a weak SEC like he did the first 10 years. It will be a miracle if we finish with less than 10 losses.
Sure. Cal just won the SEC by 3 games last year. How soon we forget when we have an agenda.
 

KyFaninNC

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Cal sure as hell doesn’t owe a thing to anyone on this board
Let him have another ****** season and you and he will see how much power fans have. Just do us all a favor and follow him wherever he goes. We don’t need fans accepting turning us into Indiana.
 

BlueVelvetFog

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Let him have another ****** season and you and he will see how much power fans have. Just do us all a favor and follow him wherever he goes. We don’t need fans accepting turning us into Indiana.
The average fan has nothing. Big Boosters, otoh
 
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seccats04

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Sure. Cal just won the SEC by 3 games last year. How soon we forget when we have an agenda.
We lost to freaking Evansville at home and Utah. Besides that the SEC was hot *** last year. I wouldn’t brag too much about that.
 
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We lost to freaking Evansville at home and Utah. Besides that the SEC was hot *** last year. I wouldn’t brag too much about that.
Look I don't want to get into this pissing contest but you keep mentioning the SEC and it being weak. Yet people on here compare all the coaches. I mean I hate losing to weak-*** teams too, but when we field a new team every year (Which I hope does come to an end) we are going t drop games we shouldn't early. Isn't it fair to say that all the coaches before Cal lived in a mostly weak SEC? I mean a team or two had their runs, but teams like AUB were a joke of a game for a long time. When we built up crazy advantages in the win column against most SEC teams was the SEC really anything close to what it has become as far as more balanced and way more competitive?

I just feel like people bounce around facts and what-ifs without looking at the clear truth that college BB has changed and so has the SEC and many other aspects of it. I'm not using this to promote or demote Cal. I'm just saying as a program we still should be on top of our conference and I know we aren't right now, but it is a much tougher conference than ever before.
 

kl40504_rivals

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Let him have another ****** season and you and he will see how much power fans have. Just do us all a favor and follow him wherever he goes. We don’t need fans accepting turning us into Indiana.
No the coaches that replaced Knight did that and you seem to want the same thing at UK
 

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I don't think he is washed up. I think WWW leaving hurt, the multiple staff shakeups have hurt (questionable hires on Cal), the cheating crap hurt, we came up short some times lately where we didn't early in his tenure here.

I've said it a lot, it isn't an excuse, jmho...if you flip '11 and '14 FFs for '17 and '19 everyone is fine now. We could have easily lost EE in '11 and '14 and won in '17 and '19, but didn't in either case.

It is the optics of the past 5-6 years that bothers fans. I get it...but I don't think he is washed up.

We will see next year. Cheers.
Cal did it to himself with the Phil Night/Nike stuff. Just like he refuses to play the Maui or have non conference home and home series with certain teams.
 
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seccats04

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Look I don't want to get into this pissing contest but you keep mentioning the SEC and it being weak. Yet people on here compare all the coaches. I mean I hate losing to weak-*** teams too, but when we field a new team every year (Which I hope does come to an end) we are going t drop games we shouldn't early. Isn't it fair to say that all the coaches before Cal lived in a mostly weak SEC? I mean a team or two had their runs, but teams like AUB were a joke of a game for a long time. When we built up crazy advantages in the win column against most SEC teams was the SEC really anything close to what it has become as far as more balanced and way more competitive?

I just feel like people bounce around facts and what-ifs without looking at the clear truth that college BB has changed and so has the SEC and many other aspects of it. I'm not using this to promote or demote Cal. I'm just saying as a program we still should be on top of our conference and I know we aren't right now, but it is a much tougher conference than ever before.
Yes the SEC is much tougher now than it was even two years ago. But Cal is .500 against top 25 teams over the last 5 years. That is unacceptable no matter how you look at it.
 
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gwjenning

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So what make's you think or how do you know it's going to get worse , or are you just hoping so you will have something else to ***** about ? what are you going to do if Cal goes to two final fours in the next five years and wins a national title ? I am sure you will find something else to ***** about then.
I would be thrilled beyond belief. At the present time with the season we just had, I have every right to *****!
 
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BBNinSC_rivals62411

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No, it's not a lack of experience, it's me saying you're full of ****. Social media is a huge contributer to the loudness of the BBN, you can voice your opinions directly to the coaches and players now and the fanbase is a lot bigger.

You're lying when you say the fans weren't angry back in those days when they went 12+ years without a final four. The word "fan" is short for "fanatic" for a reason and while Rupp bought himself some street cred by winning titles, there were still passionate and competetive fans. There was definitely some anger, especially after the loss to Texas Western in 66, but nice try.
You’re all over the place and I can’t find a coherent point. Are you trying to teach us that social media plays a part in fans being heard or where the word “fan” is derived? I’m always happy to have friendly banter, but I can’t follow up with you
 

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No, I explicitly explained why I left it out of the average. Because we haven't had 6 subpar years. We had five about par years and one disaster.
It’s a body of work. Take away the 38-1 or 38-2 from the first 5 and you get a much different t result too
 
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Yes the SEC is much tougher now than it was even two years ago. But Cal is .500 against top 25 teams over the last 5 years. That is unacceptable no matter how you look at it.
That has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about 2 years ago. I was talking about how much tougher the SEC has been the last 5+ years or so compared to UKs domination early on and in the 80s, 90s and 2000s. Never mind. I don't really care to argue the Cal thing. He s our coach next year and things must get better period.
 
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Backer cutter

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Not true. Only a small portion of the most vile portion of the fanbase that vomit bile and venom all over the program. You know the ones I mean Jeffy. This bunch tries to pretend they are part of the BBN but they have been exposed as quitter.
You’re the real quitter Bass. And your minions. You quit on the program and the University when you accepted mediocrity. Shame on you. Should never happen at
I’m still supporting them. You are crapping on them and the rest of the non-quitters.
nope. I’m crapping on you. Want to wipe or blow?
 
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It’s a body of work. Take away the 38-1 or 38-2 from the first 5 and you get a much different t result too
Ok, but people want to take away 2009-2015 so what's the difference? At least he is just taking away 1 year that looks out of place even next to 2013. It's kind of like one of these things doesn't look like the others.

There are trends like we have been trending away from our dominance, but there is also a one off which is what this year was.
 

kybassfan

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You’re the real quitter Bass. And your minions. You quit on the program and the University when you accepted mediocrity. Shame on you. Should never happen at

nope. I’m crapping on you. Want to wipe or blow?
Sorry. The worst delusion are the lies you tell to yourself. You set arbitrary conditions on the program and dump on it when you fail. Then you lie to yourself and tell yourself you are a fan.
 

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Not buying it. I don’t set conditions. I set expectations based upon the coaches selling points and common sense. Lately, (last 6 years), those expectations have fallen way short. Give me a reason to feel different. You can’t. Just because you say Cal did it pre-2016 or whatever time frame you want to use, how does that mean he can do it now? He is proving he can’t. Show me something or close your argument.
 

RipThru

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Ok, but people want to take away 2009-2015 so what's the difference? At least he is just taking away 1 year that looks out of place even next to 2013. It's kind of like one of these things doesn't look like the others.

There are trends like we have been trending away from our dominance, but there is also a one off which is what this year was.
So was 38-1
 
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Nuke99m.

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How many more seasons does he get without making it back to the FF? We’re coming up on 7 straight without one

How many more seasons can he miss the NCAAT? He’s missed 2 of the last 9

Or does matter if he never makes the FF or NCAAT again? Your sticking with him no matter how bad it gets
Yes.
 

HagginHall1999

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Not buying it. I don’t set conditions. I set expectations based upon the coaches selling points and common sense. Lately, (last 6 years), those expectations have fallen way short. Give me a reason to feel different. You can’t. Just because you say Cal did it pre-2016 or whatever time frame you want to use, how does that mean he can do it now? He is proving he can’t. Show me something or close your argument.

This 6 seasons thing is stupid....it just isn't factual. We lost in EE twice....those don't count as poor years.

2016 coming off 38-1...entertaining team, Skal disappointed they lost. (Reminds me of 93-94 KY)

2017- 2nd best team in country really the majority of the year, played UNC who was probably a tad better than us in EE...terrible loss, tough to swallow (damn good team)

2018- rebuild, average season...maybe slightly sub par (reminds me of 2014 KY...minus random tourney run)

2019- came up short in EE...pretty good year minus Duke game early in season (solid team, bit of a choke job, ala 1995 KY)

2020- no tourney, good year, hard to argue they weren't a "contender"

2021- sh*t show
 
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So was 38-1
Not really since we also had teams of 38-2 and 35-3. Not a very good point since Cal has only had 1 losing season at UK. Even 1 is unacceptable, but to the point, we were discussing one season looks a lot different and like a one-off compared to all the rest and it isn't the 38-1 one since we had a 38-2 one with a title.
 
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yoshukai

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This 6 seasons thing is stupid....it just isn't factual. We lost in EE twice....those don't count as poor years.

2016 coming off 38-1...entertaining team, Skal disappointed they lost. (Reminds me of 93-94 KY)

2017- 2nd best team in country really the majority of the year, played UNC who was probably a tad better than us in EE...terrible loss, tough to swallow (damn good team)

2018- rebuild, average season...maybe slightly sub par (reminds me of 2014 KY...minus random tourney run)

2019- came up short in EE...pretty good year minus Duke game early in season (solid team, bit of a choke job, ala 1995 KY)

2020- no tourney, good year, hard to argue they weren't a "contender"

2021- sh*t show
We did lose to a mediocre Kansas State team with a terrible coach when our bracket completely opened up for us though. And we lost to Bruce Pearl and Auburn without one their best players. We should have one those 2 games , and I would feel completely different about our coach if we had .
 
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I mean people are right in that regard. 2016 and 2018 weren’t good.

But we were one possession away in both 17 and 19. Those seasons were good seasons whether or not some want to admit it.

Ad who knows what would have happened in 20. I don’t think that should get counted one way or the other.
 

*Bleedingblue*

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Rupp had 6 Final Fours in 34 years of the NCAA tournament (1.76 per 10 years)
Joe B had 3 Final Fours in 13 years (2.31 per 10 years)
Sutton was 0/4
Rick had 3 Final Fours in 8 years (3.75 per 10 years)
Tubby had 1 Final Four in 10 years.
Cal has 4 Final Fours in 11 years of NCAA tournaments (3.63 per 10 years)

I'll be happy as hell if we get 3 per 10 years going forward, that's ahead of our historical average. 2 FFs per decade is what I think of as a baseline level of success.


Actually Rick had 3 final fours in 6 years because as a program we could not participate in post season play just like Cal could not compete last season. That is 5 per 10 years
Rick also had an elite 8 or better in 5/6 seasons and never missed the tournament. Although it was much easier getting into the ncaa tournament than it was during Rupps or Halls tenure. Much more difficult to do so back then.
 
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