Honest Question about Jordan Williams

[Stick Kitty]

IMO he isn't close to rock bottom yet. He might have been closer back in March when coach sat him. I am sure that got his attention and it seems he responded in the room and that paid off in freestyle results over the summer. But from the outside looking in, once he retained being back on the team status he forgot what rock bottom was for him.

I am not a professional but rock bottom is different for everyone. Could be as simple as being ashamed a kid watched you vomit or being kicked out of a bar or ramp up to just the first DUI. Other it may take multiple DUI's, Spouse leaving whatever. I believe taking wrestling away from him might be in order so he can finally sit in his own mess. Like Andrew Long though, if you are talented enough you can probably find a coach willing to enable that for the coaches own personal success but really its disguised as working their way back. Which is fine for a 1 or maybe 2 time offense depending, case by case scenarios.

I think we are past that and I trust Brands to help everyone. He is a great dude like that. But Tom needs to ask himself if he unintentionally might be enabling him to keep floating above rock bottom if he still keeps a carrot dangling. IMO he would be.

Also many students binge drink, esp. on football Saturdays in a college town. Lord knows I would crush a case back then. The difference is I didn't have the athlete behind the student title. Student athletes are expected to be above and beyond because of the privilege. That seems to be lost on some posters who act like its a right to be on the team and argue semantics of a case just because they are blinded by their own fandom. .

Bottom line is a kid can get the help he need without being able to still compete. It laughable when someone say keep him on the team and don't take that away or he could get worse. Maybe that's what has to happen and its not anyone fault but that individual.

 

[Pathfinder1970]

I don't care if he ever wrestles again if he can overcome his addiction. My opinion is Tom feels the same wa

A person absolutely can seek help, make meaningful changes, and recover without ever reaching what is commonly referred to as “rock bottom.” The concept of rock bottom is deeply personal and does not have a single clinical definition. What represents a turning point for one person may look very different for another.


Similarly, while family members, friends, or professionals may recognize concerning patterns associated with alcohol or substance use, lasting change ultimately requires the individual to recognize that something in their life is no longer working and that help may be needed. A person does not necessarily need to accept a particular label, such as “alcoholic” or “addict,” in order to acknowledge harmful behavior or pursue treatment.


One of the more difficult issues for families is distinguishing genuine support from enabling. Support encourages accountability, treatment, healthy boundaries, and personal responsibility. Enabling, often done out of love or fear, can unintentionally shield a person from the natural consequences of their behavior and may actually prolong the problem.


In my experience as a licensed clinical social worker working with substance-use treatment, the goal should never be to wait for someone to lose everything before they become “ready.” Ideally, intervention, honest feedback, appropriate boundaries, and access to treatment occur well before a person reaches that point. Recovery does not require devastation; it requires some degree of recognition, willingness, and engagement in change.

 

[Nashville_Hawk]

Weren't we all like that in college? At least the part about not stopping until ****-faced

That's kind of where I'm at to a point. There are times when we talk about these kids like they're 30 somethings when in reality they're still just dumbsh*t kids...sometimes even the good ones. And then throw in some dumbsh*t friends to go with the good ones and they revert back to being dumbsh*t kids. I despise the fact that JW gave us nothing but pain last year, especially when we threw in the sub for NCAAs, but at the end of the day I agree with one of the other posters...let those closest to it deal with it and determine what's best for the kid and the program and let's us enjoy our wrestling. Sadly I was one of those who said JW would AA last year and maybe even contend for a title, and instead he quit a couple times and got benched for NCAAs. In the end, I'm good either way. Not a fan at all but trust that TNT know what they're doing..

 

[Nashville_Hawk]

A lot of newer cars are keyless (push button start) now, so that rule is antiquated. I would guess that sitting in a running car would suffice since, in the days when all ignitions had keys, the car couldn't be running if the key weren't in the ignition.

You hit the nail on the head. Doesn't matter where the fricking keys are if the car is running. Per the article, "According to court records, an officer made contact with Williams, who was in the driver’s seat of a parked car that had been running for at least two hours at 2:45 a.m. on Sept. 7. In the report, the officer noted that Williams was unconscious with an open container in his lap and in the center console."

I think that about says it all. 22 year old. Still a dumbs*it kid, but old enough to know better especially when he had already been arrested for the same offense.

 

[Random4598375]

You hit the nail on the head. Doesn't matter where the fricking keys are if the car is running. Per the article, "According to court records, an officer made contact with Williams, who was in the driver’s seat of a parked car that had been running for at least two hours at 2:45 a.m. on Sept. 7. In the report, the officer noted that Williams was unconscious with an open container in his lap and in the center console."

I think that about says it all. 22 year old. Still a dumbs*it kid, but old enough to know better especially when he had already been arrested for the same offense.

If he was there with the car running for hours, there is some irony in the fact that he could have wanted to avoid driving and sleep it off for a couple hours and turned on his car to turn on the AC to be more comfortable (although leaving an open container in his lap was pretty dumb). Does anyone know what the weather was on Sept 7 in Iowa City? If it was really hot, that could be a plausible explanation. Lesson learned, if you need to do this, go in the back seat.

 

[Corby2]

If he was there with the car running for hours, there is some irony in the fact that he could have wanted to avoid driving and sleep it off for a couple hours and turned on his car to turn on the AC to be more comfortable (although leaving an open container in his lap was pretty dumb). Does anyone know what the weather was on Sept 7 in Iowa City? If it was really hot, that could be a plausible explanation. Lesson learned, if you need to do this, go in the back seat.

Quick google search says 72 with 78% humidity at 12:45 am

 

[vhsalum]

If he was there with the car running for hours, there is some irony in the fact that he could have wanted to avoid driving and sleep it off for a couple hours and turned on his car to turn on the AC to be more comfortable (although leaving an open container in his lap was pretty dumb). Does anyone know what the weather was on Sept 7 in Iowa City? If it was really hot, that could be a plausible explanation. Lesson learned, if you need to do this, go in the back seat.

He got caught, and while that's bad...

That he was THAT drunk is the bigger issue. Hope the kid figures this addiction out. He's going to end up hurting himself, or god forbid, someone else.