Honest Question about Jordan Williams

[so cal hawkfan]

I understand that part. My point is SOLELY about what a jury would decide based on that evidence. Also, he didn't drive the vehicle, so your wording doesn't apply here. The charge is based on him "controlling" the vehicle. I would think a jury could see that he never intended to drive it and "controlling" the vehicle is vague as hell when all he may have done was turn it on so the climate was comfortable enough to sleep it off in.

Would you convict someone of a DUI if the defense clearly proved he NEVER had intent to move that car whatsoever and all he ever did was turn the AC on to sleep until he was fit to drive?

As far as help goes, I have never said he didn't need it. If he wasn't drinking he wouldn't be in this situation even if he never was going to actually drive while drinking. I guess I may actually be different than most, but I sure as hell wouldn't want to punish someone so harshly for trying to do the right thing when drinking...

I have arrested hundreds of people for DUI in my 28 year Law Enforcement career. Plenty were passed out in vehicles with the engines running. The DA files those cases and most take plea deals or don’t and then get convicted. Jordan made the decision to drink to the point inebriation. He then made the decision to bring an open container into his vehicle and start the engine (we don’t know if he drove there or if he drank elsewhere and walked to where his car was parked. Let’s be real though, it was likely the former). I’ve seen quite enough people killed by drunk drivers to worry about whether a kid with an obvious problem with alcohol INTENDED to drive drunk. Even in ultra liberal LA County he’d get convicted. In Iowa? C’mon now.

 

[GLC1969]

I have said this previously i dont believe wrestling will help his problem. I wish the best for anyone who is struggling in life. Wrestling can help with a lot of things but it becomes a distraction to the bigger problem. IMO

 

[VonEhwegen]

Jordan needs to make a lot of decisions in his life and where he fits in at Iowa. He needs decide if he's ever going to put 100% effort into wrestling. He needs to decide between the party college life or the dedicated wrestling life. He needs to figure out his academics, hopefully he's eligible to even wrestle. The photo he shared when he announced he was coming back to Iowa, just shows how immature he truly is. Looks like he's just here at Iowa for the party life & Money. With wrestling coming in a distant second place. Where academics and setting himself up for what's beyond wrestling falls, who knows.

 

[manatree]

Just thought I would throw out the names Grothus & Teske to get this thread back on track.

 

[HugoHugo]

I understand that part. My point is SOLELY about what a jury would decide based on that evidence. Also, he didn't drive the vehicle, so your wording doesn't apply here. The charge is based on him "controlling" the vehicle. I would think a jury could see that he never intended to drive it and "controlling" the vehicle is vague as hell when all he may have done was turn it on so the climate was comfortable enough to sleep it off in.

Would you convict someone of a DUI if the defense clearly proved he NEVER had intent to move that car whatsoever and all he ever did was turn the AC on to sleep until he was fit to drive?

As far as help goes, I have never said he didn't need it. If he wasn't drinking he wouldn't be in this situation even if he never was going to actually drive while drinking. I guess I may actually be different than most, but I sure as hell wouldn't want to punish someone so harshly for trying to do the right thing when drinking...

The whole point of OWI laws is prevention.

Waiting until the drunk guy actually puts it in gear and runs over someone seems like a pretty inefficient strategy.

 

[MSU158]

I have arrested hundreds of people for DUI in my 28 year Law Enforcement career. Plenty were passed out in vehicles with the engines running. The DA files those cases and most take plea deals or don’t and then get convicted. Jordan made the decision to drink to the point inebriation. He then made the decision to bring an open container into his vehicle and start the engine (we don’t know if he drove there or if he drank elsewhere and walked to where his car was parked. Let’s be real though, it was likely the former). I’ve seen quite enough people killed by drunk drivers to worry about whether a kid with an obvious problem with alcohol INTENDED to drive drunk. Even in ultra liberal LA County he’d get convicted. In Iowa? C’mon now.

I would say 3 hours of the car running WITHOUT him driving it would be enough to say he wasn’t intending to drive drunk. However, I get that your job gives you a specific perspective and that is why you definitely wouldn’t even be on a jury anyway.

Still, you have my utmost respect for doing that job. A very difficult and often thankless job. Thank you for your service, even if we may disagree on parts of this topic.

 

[MSU158]

The whole point of OWI laws is prevention.

Waiting until the drunk guy actually puts it in gear and runs over someone seems like a pretty inefficient strategy.

At what point do you become a police state though? I am all for tough laws if you ACTUALLY commit the crime.

What if I was drinking at a party at my home, left a present in the car and went outside to get it out of the car and turned the car on to write something on the card before bringing it in? Do I deserve a DUI? Now, I would like to believe a cop wouldn’t even go there, but, if we are going by the letter of the law….