That’s because there hasn’t been any earth shattering shifts haha. It’s just a ton of panic that it will happen. Is it sometimes going to happen? Absolutely. But most kids don’t want to switch schools, switch friends, switch coaches, switch academic advisors, switch environments. Most people in the transfer portal either feel like they need to for playing time or they’re getting bad advice or a coach is nudging them out.
Harsh reality about NIL
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No doubt that a new era exists in which players transfer more often that in the past. No one can dispute that. NIL plays a role in this increase. But if you are a relatively lowly rated recruit, come in, get developed, add muscle and speed, show you can perform against the best in the B1G, get on the NFL's radar, why wouldn't you explore your options? Highly rated guys at top programs fail and move down (sometimes with encouragement) to where they can get playing time. Why not the opposite? If Cliff transferred out after last season, I would have been very disappointed of course. But he has to weigh how he is being treated at RU, being developed, the whole package against what others can offer him. It made sense for him to stay. I'm a big loyalty guy, but offer me a big raise, I will listen.
I'll listen too. But we're not college athletes, we're professionals doing a job for money.
Eh. The whole situation sucks.
If we don’t step us as a fan base and alums there will be only losing with zero chance of winning. We have a great recruiter as a head coach with lots of money for top assistants to help him get players and coach. Soon if this keeps up the football boards will become the CE board a circle jerk with the same guys posting and liking their own posts and answering each others posts. No one wants that right ?
Doesn't the recent trend in the volume of kids in the transfer portal after the rules were relaxed suggest that kids are very willing to switch schools if they perceive a better opportunity elsewhere whether it be financially or playing time opportunity motivated? Yes coaches can also influence transfer decisions but I don't think that is behind the recent rapid rise in the use of the portal.
For normal students many will not do so because it can set your timeline back for graduating yet that is either not a concern for athletes. or once again another little accommodation benefit that no one seems to recognize. If that was not the case then I would think we would be hearing horror stories about kids transferring 2-3x and making little progress towards obtaining a degree.
I am not sure what the right profile is for a successful Rutgers football coach is in this environment. If you don't have a bundle in your wallet I don't think Fran Brown would be as successful recruiting as he was in his short tenure here.
The NFL is now begging for donations so they can pay players more.
Wait.. what? That doesn't happen.
That's right. That doesn't happen.
These players want to be paid (on a lesser scale) like they are professionals but even teh NFL, where players are paid.. have salary caps. Why? so the sport thrives.. the league thrives.. because competition thrives with some balance.
The college game with NIL-paid players is out of control. A few teams will thrive. The competition will suffer. So will the sport as a whole.
Donate more to compete? No.. a HARD NO. I can just watch the NFL for free. Asking fans for money might as well be extortion.. or a protection racket. Make a donation or something bad might happen to your favorite players.
Yes.. I understand that this is the current reality. I merely reject the whole idea as I reject the idea that free education and all that athletic support is not enough when, for a century, it was enough.
Have a P5 college draft and salary caps for all football employees.. players and coaches and staff and have shared revenues where every team can compete and then we can revisit financial support in different ways.
Wait.. what? That doesn't happen.
That's right. That doesn't happen.
These players want to be paid (on a lesser scale) like they are professionals but even teh NFL, where players are paid.. have salary caps. Why? so the sport thrives.. the league thrives.. because competition thrives with some balance.
The college game with NIL-paid players is out of control. A few teams will thrive. The competition will suffer. So will the sport as a whole.
Donate more to compete? No.. a HARD NO. I can just watch the NFL for free. Asking fans for money might as well be extortion.. or a protection racket. Make a donation or something bad might happen to your favorite players.
Yes.. I understand that this is the current reality. I merely reject the whole idea as I reject the idea that free education and all that athletic support is not enough when, for a century, it was enough.
Have a P5 college draft and salary caps for all football employees.. players and coaches and staff and have shared revenues where every team can compete and then we can revisit financial support in different ways.
Caleb is back this year in large part bc of NIL
Say we go to elite 8/final 4 this year in large part due to CM (plays lights out D, Fahd winning shot, etc) - is NIL still bad?
We get a big donor / corporations to attract 4 and 5 star kids for football / Bball - is NIL still bad?
Or is it only bad because a lot of you do not believe we can compete or match some of the elite and not so elite programs, thereby putting us further behind and having zero chance to ever be competitive at anything?
Say we go to elite 8/final 4 this year in large part due to CM (plays lights out D, Fahd winning shot, etc) - is NIL still bad?
We get a big donor / corporations to attract 4 and 5 star kids for football / Bball - is NIL still bad?
Or is it only bad because a lot of you do not believe we can compete or match some of the elite and not so elite programs, thereby putting us further behind and having zero chance to ever be competitive at anything?
If I’m looking correctly there’s over 5500 d1 basketball players and 874 of them are d1 to d1 transfers. I think that shows most kids still want to stay in the same place especially considering it’s probably safe to say half of those kids didn’t make the choice themselves to leave. I quickly googled this info but i think those are the correct numbers.
edit: i think those are 2021 numbers. But just found an article that only half the kids who entered football transfer portal actually ended up at a different school. Again most of these kids don’t want to actually leave in my opinion.
It's not just paying players though.
I've never seen the Giants beg fans for money to redesign the locker rooms or build a new practice facility either.
I missed all the "Giants can't fire Joe Judge and Dave Gettleman unless donors step up to pay their buyout".
HC Schiano and AD Hobbs aren't just saying "we need your money to pay players to be competitive" all of a sudden.
They have always been saying "we need your extra money to pay for the entire AD and be competitive."
Now that includes an extra (outside the AD expense).
No different than when they say "we need to build to upgrade the locker room again" or "we need to buy sleep pods as a new expense."
That's a different argument than saying we and programs like us are going to lose all our best players because of NIL which is what most of the doom and gloom of this thread is.
Players will move (often not related to NIL) but teams of lower status can operate fine in that environment. Everyone is just looking at one side of the coin, yea you may lose some but it's often going to be players you're not even using all that much anyway. On the other side, it's a chance to fill holes on your team with players that are adjusted to college life, have college ready bodies and might have a little playing experience and potentially could contribute right away.
Literally no where did I state that schools were dropping football.
I mean there are a ton of D3 and D2 schools that have sports not because they’re financially sound, but because they want to provide opportunities to have well rounded students.
I just think this is going to boil down to the paid players will be in the B1G and SEC. They’ll be employees and they’ll sign 4 year contracts.
It’s the only way this works with the current model.
Players that play at a school like BC will be essentially be playing at a different level to prove themselves with an opportunity to sign a 2 year B1G or SEC contract.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that a sock puppet account that was created 24 hours ago has little sway over dozens of long-term season ticket holders (33 years, in my case) who shell out $10k plus, per year, to the athletic department.
That's me being nice. I can be a dick, too, if you'd prefer.
What happens if corporations are a couple big donors aside to buy in, and we are constantly competing with the bigger teams in the Big Ten as well as the SEC?
Winning some conference championships, going to rose bowls etc., maybe even going to the playoffs once they expand.
Will everyone hate and NIL then? Will people not root for Rutgers because we are paying players?
Or will they accept except it and realize that we’ve taken advantage of a unique opportunity that we we likely would not have had pre-NIL?
I remember the NFL vividly before free agency and PSL‘s, and had season tickets to the Jets. Did I stop rooting for them once they want the PSL routes and I did not get them?
Did I stop rooting for them once guys were not going to be there for 10 or 15 years like previously to the free agency?
Serious question here not flaming. But it sounds like most of you do not believe that we can succeed which is why you do not like it.
When in retrospect, we were not going to succeed previously under the old rules, so why not take a shot with an NIL where we at least have a fighting chance to be on a semi even playing field as the elites
What was Oklahoma State before T. Boone Pickens donated his money? What was Oregon before Phil night donated his money?
did either of them say the hell with it, these programs have always been mediocre and decide not to do anything?
Or do they take the bull by the horns and decide to be proactive and put their money where their mouth was and donate to make the programs elite?
Winning some conference championships, going to rose bowls etc., maybe even going to the playoffs once they expand.
Will everyone hate and NIL then? Will people not root for Rutgers because we are paying players?
Or will they accept except it and realize that we’ve taken advantage of a unique opportunity that we we likely would not have had pre-NIL?
I remember the NFL vividly before free agency and PSL‘s, and had season tickets to the Jets. Did I stop rooting for them once they want the PSL routes and I did not get them?
Did I stop rooting for them once guys were not going to be there for 10 or 15 years like previously to the free agency?
Serious question here not flaming. But it sounds like most of you do not believe that we can succeed which is why you do not like it.
When in retrospect, we were not going to succeed previously under the old rules, so why not take a shot with an NIL where we at least have a fighting chance to be on a semi even playing field as the elites
What was Oklahoma State before T. Boone Pickens donated his money? What was Oregon before Phil night donated his money?
did either of them say the hell with it, these programs have always been mediocre and decide not to do anything?
Or do they take the bull by the horns and decide to be proactive and put their money where their mouth was and donate to make the programs elite?
Yep, missed on that one. I think the PTSD I have from all the complaining is throwing me off my game.
Sure the NFL does. It’s called PSL costs for season ticket holders.
Your point that a scholarship should be enough because it’s been enough for a century is moronic. College football and basketball has drastically changed over the last 100 years. It’s a multi-billion dollar industry now. Is there any other industry where the folks generating the revenue benefit less? Coaching salaries have changed, school revenues have changed….but the players??? Nope, still the same scholarships that they also give out to a bunch of nerds for academics.
I think the conference should be the ones paying the players and not us, but if you already donate, I don’t see any difference between the RFund and NIL. I don’t donate more, I just now split it up between RFund and NIL.
If people haven’t historically donated, I don’t expect them to start, but please stop asking why we aren’t competitive and why we aren’t recruiting better. You already know the answer, and if you want to do something about it join TKR for $10 a month or encourage other people to join….thats free.
Take $1 million to $2 million per year off the overpaid coaches salaries and find a way to get it to players. Problem solved. The problem is not that there isn't enough cash to reward players, it's that a small number of people--many of whom fail spectacularly--get way too much money. Why should Chris Ash have been rewarded with multi millions for wrecking what remained of a program?
Don’t be nice im so afraid right now!!! I have season tickets for 29 years in both football and basketball what does that matter ? Be a dick knock yourself out. A poster is a poster does post count and years here get you cache? It’s a message board where the hard core die hards are shouting down NIL because of insert excuses here.
Jon from KTR was spot on re the excuses
We either step up or continue getting hammered
For those that choose not to step up financially, I understand your position and respect it.
Conversely, for those who do choose to step up and contribute financially, I admire your dedication and wish we had more like you as Wel certainly need it
While not contributing to or believing in NIL does not make you a worse fan, it also does not give you a reason to complain if and when we continue to get clobbered vs the elite teams, as the blueprint has now been laid out for success
Interesting setup.
Would be interesting so see how much media revenue BC would lose as a result of this scenario. Doubtful the ACC would still receive nearly 30m/team or whatever amount they get now.
I would assume Rutgers is in the "semi pro" league as well.
The AD budget is held together with bubblegum and shoestring.
There is no way thebAD would volunteeririly give up tens of millions of dollars per year.
Well we’re in the B1G, so under this format we would be a part of it.
Think B1G = AFC and SEC = NFC. Two leagues under one umbrella all governed the same way.
It’s already shifting in this way, I mean we’re going to be collecting 100 mill per year soon, and the SEC will be close to that number as well.
The rest of the conferences are not even close to being near that.
This is all with the assumption that the B1G and SEC break away from the NCAA.
The B1G might be able to make this work if it takes four other Pac-12 teams because it would be a national league. I'm not sure the SEC could do it because it is more regional. In any case, a lot of people would go nuts if things shake out this way.
Is this English?
And yes, longevity does count. Longevity establishes a record and bestows respect (or not, in the case of some people).
This is known.
It’s a message board right? I think you want to make this more important than it is. I’m not going to insult you bro obviously this is a very important to you. It’s a message board where no one knows anyone else. Donate to NIL so we have things to talk about other than our unprovable stock market gains or losses or our next home purchase. That’s where we are headed if the die hards refuse to get behind NIL.
You want to turn this into a debate about NIL? Been there, done that. In brief, these athletes did not build the system that generates billions. They SHOULD benefit the least.. there are so many of them and they will be gone in 4-5 years... but teh system generating the money will continue.
The stadiums, facilities, educational institutions were all created by interest from alumni and local people.. in most states through state pride. Without the colleges, there is no college football. The NFL and other pro and semipro leagues have always been around. They don't need to go to college to play football. For a century and more they have chosen to attend college and play football because of what college offered them. And fans choose to watch and support the college game.. often INSTEAD of supporting the professional game.
The players get professional coaching, training, great facilities, medical, and academic help, and access to a great education that could serve them their entire lives. That has been enough until now and for the vast majority of student-athletes it will continue to be enough. NIL will only really pay the star athletes. Should only the star athletes benefit from this multi-billion dollar business? But, OH.. the coaches benefit.. so what? Every athlete could go into coaching AFTER their college careers and make a name for themselves and then earn the same money.
NIL... in a broad sense... changes all that. Now they want to get paid and have colleges compete in pay scale... and teh ones that can are happy to do so.
For the monied programs, it is easier now to buy and win at the college level than it is in the NFL. How crazy is that?
The NFL has pay schedules for drafted players. The NFL distributes talent through its draft system. Players CAN buck teh system and not sign once drafted to try to choose their team.. but most do not. And the NFL has that for the health of the sport so that it retains its universal appeal and even small market teams like Kansas City can compete.
Without such balance.. even just a reasonable opportunity to compete.. college football will lose fans over time. NIL will kill the golden goose for most programs.
Coaches are employees of the state in Rutgers' case, otherwise they are employed by the university. Students are employed by who? Hence the non-compensated, amateur status. Not much to tumble, do back handsprings and an iron cross over.
SEC has big names though so it’ll work for them.
The champions of the two leagues will meet for the “super bowl.”
People will for sure go nuts but no one will care. Green speaks the only language that matters.
Great points
NFL is great due to free agency and the parity in the league
The college system needs to get fixed, or the game won’t survive
Having the same 4/5 teams constantly making the playoffs isn’t good short or long term
Well Ciocca dealerships just purchased all of the Flemington Dealerships and the commercials Ciocca runs note at the end "proud sponsor of PSU",,,so maybe Ray Catena should step up...
Did you just say the players didn’t help build college athletics into a billion dollar business? LOL WHAT???
Who did then? The coaches, who are paid in the millions and are gone in 4-5 years?
I have to admit some confusion around NIL. Isn't that for kids being able to get endorsement and advertising deals with companies or organizations? And also getting a cut of university sold merchandise? Why are regular fans being ask to pony up money?
By the way, I know a lot of us don't like NIL, but the real evil that will destroy college sports are no-sit transfers and the portal.