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But, I'm sure he gives SHU a look since they need a center. Obiagu stinks
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But, I'm sure he gives SHU a look since they need a center. Obiagu stinks
Harms would be perfect for Seton Hall ... The Land of Soft Bigs. Harms flops around like those roadside sock puppets they use to advertise tire sales.[/QUOTE]
Plus he can get schooled by Billmeier the asst coach on how to refine his crybaby complaining skills.
Plus he can get schooled by Billmeier the asst coach on how to refine his crybaby complaining skills.[/QUOTE]
This is so true. He whines constantly which would make him a good fit for Boeheim at Syracuse. His whine after Young posterized him was priceless.
I don't think he is soft, he is just tall and thin so not going to be a bruiser type, he seemed energetic and scrappy to me. If wanted to come to RU I would take him, he is four inches taller than anyone on our team.
This is so true. He whines constantly which would make him a good fit for Boeheim at Syracuse. His whine after Young posterized him was priceless.[/QUOTE]
Didn't they have the Kareem Abdul Jabbar Award winner 2 seasons back ?
Haarms is a stiff who constantly complains to the refs. I can't believe his pouty foot-stomp - directly in front of a ref - at the RAC this year didn't earn a technical.
Guys come one. He has played in more NCAA tournament games than any player in Rutgers history... he is 7’3”, he played 22 minutes a game for for an elite eight team last year averaging 9.5 ppg, 5.5 rpg and 2.1 bpg. This year he played 20 minutes, 8.6ppg, 4.5 rpg and 2 bpg. On Rutgers that would make him 4th in scoring, 4th in rebounding and 1st in blocks. He is better than both douc and shaq. If we had Haarms this year we win at least 2 more games this year.... pikiell would welcome him with open arms if he could get him
He would never come to Rutgers. He may even laugh if they gave him a call. it would make no sense to leave a school that goes to ncaa tournament every year to one that hasn’t gone in 30 years.
He would never come to Rutgers. He may even laugh if they gave him a call. it would make no sense to leave a school that goes to ncaa tournament every year to one that hasn’t gone in 30 years.
Aren’t you an angry one - lol. He is a solid player but we already have 2 centers next year. There simply would not be any room for him on this roster. I hope he lands at a place he likes. I’m sure he will contribute wherever he lands.
Sounds like its time for Rick Pitino to promise the moon and deliver the Bronx. Yeah.. he'd steal a transfer recruit from his son.
not angry at all just seeing people imply he wouldn’t be a big time addition to our team is a little silly.... with Haarms we would be an elite 8 team... imagine going Myles, Cliff and Haarms... that would be a top five front court in the country. We would be able to play against any team with any line up regardless of foul trouble...
You really haven't watch how Pike constructed his team. Rutgers is no longer taking warm bodies just to say we got one. Pike's team is more about positionless basketball with size. Haarms is a guy who doesn't dominate at either end of the court. Myles has the ability to be a threat on offense and defense. Cliff, if hype plays out, can dominate a game from the defensive end of the court. What exactly does Haarms bring other than size? Besides, Haarms has to be the right fit and right now he's not.
warm body? He is a 7’3” blocks shots, alters shots and can score at the same rate our guys can score. He averaged 20 minutes a game on an elite 8 team.
I wouldn’t kick someone off the team for him but if a spot were to open up i would take him in a heart beat. 7 footers do not grow on trees.
Elite 8 team? You mean the team that rode the back of Edwards and Cline for 36 pts a game? With Edwards and Cline both gone, Haarms (3rd leader scoring on that team) took a step back. His stats went down across the board. He went from a key member of Purdue to a guy who lost his way in the rotate as far as importance. Now he's transferring out because HC Painter thinks he has better players to fill that position. Rutgers doesn't have to reach for guys like that anymore when you have players like C. Omoruyi and Jones willing to come here. Hell, there were people who cried when Eugene Omoruyi left. They said this team would be worse and it turned out to be better. Sometimes you don't mess with the plan and/or the chemistry of the team.
Who do you see sitting so that Haarms could get minutes? Myles? Cliff? Rutgers doesn't play the style where Haarms could see important minutes. He could take Duke's minutes and that's every 3rd game for 5 to 8 minutes. The minutes are spoken for and that why Pike only wanted a transfer willing to sit out. Why else was Pike willing to pass on Luther Muhammad from Ohio State. Muhammad would have been a great fit for the style of Rutgers.
Let me get this straight we take akwasi yeboah from stony brook but not 7’3” center from Purdue who, I will say it again, has more experience than any Rutgers player, has played in more ncaa tournament games than any Rutgers player in history, played in the elite 8, is 4th all time in blocks at Purdue over 3 seasons, averaged 20 minutes per game in the big 10 for a program that is much better than Rutgers... we cannot get ahead of ourselves we had one good season. Let’s not forget that we were one Eric Hunter free throw away from wanting to fire pikiell...
Myles is in constant foul trouble and cliff is a freshman... not a one and done freshman. A battle tested senior from the big 10 is better than a untested freshman. I hope cliff is great but many on this board have said he needs some time to develop.
To say you wouldn’t take Haarms is ridiculous.. they said tomorrow he will release some names. Supposidly Kentucky, Louisville, Gonzaga, Arizona are among other programs that have reached out BUT Rutgers wouldn’t take him? Come on.
Get back with me once you understand the basic principles of team chemistry, schemes, style of play and sports in general. Let me give you an example of what I mean. Back in the 80s, the St. Louis Cardinals won a ton of games and the World Series. They didn't do it with the long ball like most teams. Manager Whitey Herzog built his team around speed. He traded away his all-star catcher, who had some power because he didn't fit the scheme. The same can be said for Rutgers. There is no real playing time for Haarms based on the current Rutgers roster. Yeboah fits better then Haarms because Pike wants positionless players who can play multiple (1 thru 4) positions. The only position that requires a big man is the center position. Haarms is not taking Myles spot, and Cliff is a program changing type of player. By playing Cliff, Pike is playing the long game. Haarms is a quick fix that really doesn't fit the program at Rutgers.
Stop with the woulda, coulda, shoulda sh*t. Dude didn't hit the free-throw, so you can't talk about something that didn't happen. If I was to use that same concept, then Rutgers shouldn't have lost to Illinois, or Penn St., or Iowa.
You like a lot of starstruck fans of other programs perceived as bigger and better think the minute a player from one of those programs becomes available Rutgers has to take them. The fact you didn't give stats to back up Haarms value says a lot. Instead, you tried to talk him by saying he's been to the NCAA's elite 8, and more blah, blah crap. Again as I stated before, those Purdue teams got there on the backs of Edwards and Cline. When they left, it was Haarms time, and what did he do? Nothing as his stats across the board fell. Haarms' importance to the team was reduced to the point he felt the need to transfer. He was the most experienced player returning on Purdue, but you would have never known that by his play.
Perception seems to have a lot of weight with people willing to fall for it. Myles fouled out of two games this year. Johnson collected 4 fouls in three other games. He had 8 games where he had 3 fouls. The other 20 games Myles wasn't close to foul trouble, so why does everyone KEEP REPEATING THIS LIE? Hell, I even check 2018-19 stats. Myles fouled out of 3 games. He had four with 4 fouls and nine with 3 fouls. That's 2 seasons where 2/3 of each one he's nowhere near foul trouble, so does that mean anything? Btw, Myles actually improved in reducing the fouls called against.
I advise you to check out the Purdue board and tell me what you think of Haarms after reading the posts of their fans.
Any minute haarms would play for us would be a wasted minute. What is so difficult to understand? Compared to what we have, haarms blows.
Newsflash. Louisville and Arizona aren't rated ahead of us next year. And I'll believe Gonzaga or Kentucky acquire him when I see it. What an uninformed opinion you have.
Pancho....please stop equating playing time and where a team played in the NCAAs as relevant to college hoops, it mean absolutely zero.
Michigan just took a grad transfer from Columbia who is a chucker who takes as lot of shots as a grad transfer averaging 22 PPG. He's not been close to ever being on a winning program, not ever finished in the Top half of the Ivy League standings or had a winning season.
So explain why that's suddenly OK for Michigan, a nationally ranked Top 20 program, has to stoop to the levels of an Ivy League program...?? Does that make Haarms better than Cliff, who is miles better than Haarms today, before stepping foot on a college campus??
Let's simplify the question.....would Purdue rather have Cliff with no experience or any college games under his belt or Haarms, with 3 years experience and the track record of his games played??
I can guarantee you, Purdue would take Myles Johnson and or Cliff over Haarms for 1 season next year, by every measure you can imagine. Just because a player has game experience doesn't make that player better or has more upside....Haarms has not gotten better year over year, his play declined and it was reflected in Purdue not making the NCAAs and losing ground in the standings.
Will Haarms rebound to have a better senior season....?? Whomever gets him, isn't going to be asking much of him, maybe 15 to 18 minutes a game, max....
The argument for not taking Haarms seems to be Cliff in year 1 will be better than Haarms year 4. I don't think that will be the case but I guess we (hopefully) shall see. Also, Myles does have foul issues, he did not foul out of games because Pike is very conservative and sat him long stretches with early fouls, even not starting him in some games.
There's some truth to Pike managing Myles' situation, but overall, Myles did a better job of avoiding fouls this year. Myles' minutes are up from last year (17.5) to 23.6 this year. He reduced the average fouls per game from 2.7 last year to 2.5 this year while seeing more time on the court. The other factor most people overlook has to do with the refs. Certain B1G refs call games differently. Since the day Rutgers entered the B1G, refs have been hard on Rutgers with the numbers of fouls called on them. Compared to the rest of the league is has been criminal at times. I do think that is slowly changing as Rutgers gets better.
Guys please do not construe this as me saying we NEED Haarms to win games. I don’t think that is true I am simply saying if we had an open spot pikiell would gladly take him. People were Pooh poohing him as if we wouldnt. That’s my point... Rutgers would take him in a second if it were feasible for us to do it...
We all had to hold our breathe this year when Myles got into foul trouble. Shaq coming in and having 2points, 3 rebound ls and not turning it over was considered a good game from him... douc not turning it over was a good game for him. haarms is clearly better than both of them..
having haarms on this year’s team would be a very big advantage. Name 10 schools in the country that can go three deep with their front court. It would be very hard to do...
From John Rothstein’s Twitter(I do not know how to insert a tweet)
“Purdue grad transfer Matt Haarms tells me he has cut his list to the following programs:
Arizona
Arkansas
Boston College
BYU
Gonzaga
Kentucky
Memphis
Minnesota
Texas Tech
UNCG”
A couple good programs in there. Most better than ours as it stands today.
We all had to hold our breathe this year when Myles got into foul trouble. Shaq coming in and having 2points, 3 rebound ls and not turning it over was considered a good game from him... douc not turning it over was a good game for him. haarms is clearly better than both of them..
having haarms on this year’s team would be a very big advantage. Name 10 schools in the country that can go three deep with their front court. It would be very hard to do...
From John Rothstein’s Twitter(I do not know how to insert a tweet)
“Purdue grad transfer Matt Haarms tells me he has cut his list to the following programs:
Arizona
Arkansas
Boston College
BYU
Gonzaga
Kentucky
Memphis
Minnesota
Texas Tech
UNCG”
A couple good programs in there. Most better than ours as it stands today.
The better way to look at fouls by bigs is by adjusting for minutes played. By that metric, Johnson reduced his Fouls/40 from 6.1 last year to 4.3 this year - and in conference games from 6.4 to 5.0. That's great progress from RS Fr to RS Soph year, and I'd expect that to continue as a RS Jr.
For comparison to other RU bigs:
Hamady N'Diaye: 5.9, 5.3, 4.8, 4.1
Kadeem Jack: 7.2, 5.2, 3.9, 2.9
Shaq Doorson: 5.5, 5.7, 4.5, 4.4
Greg Lewis: 9.0, 7.4, 4.9, 4.8
For comparison to other B1G bigs:
Matt Haarms: 5.9, 4.3, 4.6
Isaac Haas: 5.9, 4.6, 4.3, 4.2
Luka Garza: 4.5, 3.9, 3.1
John Teske: 6.7, 5.2, 3.2, 3.5
Kaleb Wesson: 5.5, 5.0, 4.2
For comparison to other RU bigs:
Hamady N'Diaye: 5.9, 5.3, 4.8, 4.1
Kadeem Jack: 7.2, 5.2, 3.9, 2.9
Shaq Doorson: 5.5, 5.7, 4.5, 4.4
Greg Lewis: 9.0, 7.4, 4.9, 4.8
For comparison to other B1G bigs:
Matt Haarms: 5.9, 4.3, 4.6
Isaac Haas: 5.9, 4.6, 4.3, 4.2
Luka Garza: 4.5, 3.9, 3.1
John Teske: 6.7, 5.2, 3.2, 3.5
Kaleb Wesson: 5.5, 5.0, 4.2
Did you follow CBB this year or just talking nonsense
Arizona, Arkansas,BC,BYU, Memphis, Minnesota, UNCG better than us???
only teams I would rank higher are Gonzaga, UK and maybe Memphis
“Purdue grad transfer Matt Haarms tells me he has cut his list to the following programs:
Arizona
Arkansas
Boston College
BYU
Gonzaga
Kentucky
Memphis
Minnesota
Texas Tech
UNCG”
A couple good programs in there. Most better than ours as it stands today.[/QUOTE]
Arizona, Arkansas,BC,BYU, Memphis, Minnesota, UNCG better than us???
only teams I would rank higher are Gonzaga, UK and maybe Memphis
“Purdue grad transfer Matt Haarms tells me he has cut his list to the following programs:
Arizona
Arkansas
Boston College
BYU
Gonzaga
Kentucky
Memphis
Minnesota
Texas Tech
UNCG”
A couple good programs in there. Most better than ours as it stands today.[/QUOTE]
You may have some reasonable points in your first paragraph, but this last sentence hurts your credibility. It is irrefutable that RU was going to make the NCAA Tournament this year. It is also irrefutable that Purdue was not going to make it unless they won the B10 tournament.
They would not have even won their first tournament game against Ohio State. Now, all of next years projection have RU as a ranked team which means an NCAA Tournament team again. I would getting the 29 year monkey off RU's back was a major reason for Jones's and CO's commitment.
Haarms isn’t coming to RU. But he would be a great addition to this roster if he did.
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I pretty clearly said “programs” and “most better than ours” not all. Did Rutgers have a better season than some of those schools? Sure. But better programs? No. Have you been watching the last 30 years? We have one good season where we are a bubble team and that erases the last 30 years of losing seasons? Come on
We have had 4 winning seasons in the past 20 years only 1 in the last 14. We had one good season this year and we were a bubble team... so yes Arizona, Arkansas, BYU and Minnesota have better programs than us...
I pretty clearly said “programs” and “most better than ours” not all. Did Rutgers have a better season than some of those schools? Sure. But better programs? No. Have you been watching the last 30 years? We have one good season where we are a bubble team and that erases the last 30 years of losing seasons? Come on
We have had 4 winning seasons in the past 20 years only 1 in the last 14. We had one good season this year and we were a bubble team... so yes Arizona, Arkansas, BYU and Minnesota have better programs than us...[/QUOTE]