Haarms transferring
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Oh so this is the part where you pretend that 30 years of basketball history has a bearing on the state of our program this year and next year. Funny ****. Why don't we just look at 50 years of basketball history and pretend it has any relevance whatsoever.
Find a real argument. Let me guess..UConn has a better program than us right now? Don't make me laugh.
Here's another question. What would have been better for our program. Bringing in a senior Grad transfer PG with a capped ceiling last year, or playing mulcahy as much as we did and developing him into a weapon? That answer is very, very simple.
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Guys we had one good year and we are acting like we are ncaa champions... we legit sucked for 13 consecutive years. Bad. Not good... one season does not change that. Are we getting better? Sure. Should we be very good next year? I think so. But we need to stop pretending like we are this great program because we won 19 division 1 games once in 14 years. Again we are one foul shot away from missing the ncaa tournament.
UCONN does have a better program. Do we have a better team? Yes but they have a better program. They had three down years compared to our 30. They won the national championship 7 years ago.this happened to be the same year that we went 12-21 in the American... come one.
I suppose you think we have a better program than UNC because of this year as well?
Playing mulcahy is obviously the better choice for long term success. But if pikiell was in the last year of his contract with 4 consecutive losing seasons you bet your a** he would be playing that grad transfer of mulcahy(as long as he was better at the time).
For the 10th time, I don’t think we take haarms over cliff or Myles. I do think if we had an open spot in the roster you welcome him with open arms as long as he is a good kid and will know his role... if anyone says otherwise they have no clue what you are talking about
UCONN does have a better program. Do we have a better team? Yes but they have a better program. They had three down years compared to our 30. They won the national championship 7 years ago.this happened to be the same year that we went 12-21 in the American... come one.
I suppose you think we have a better program than UNC because of this year as well?
Playing mulcahy is obviously the better choice for long term success. But if pikiell was in the last year of his contract with 4 consecutive losing seasons you bet your a** he would be playing that grad transfer of mulcahy(as long as he was better at the time).
For the 10th time, I don’t think we take haarms over cliff or Myles. I do think if we had an open spot in the roster you welcome him with open arms as long as he is a good kid and will know his role... if anyone says otherwise they have no clue what you are talking about
For the 3rd time, it is not relevant on a better program having an interest in Haarms...those programs have a bigger need for a 1 year rental and Haarms is being pursued as a 15 to 20 minute a game player for most "better" programs.
Let me correct you. UConn had a better program. Going forward, we have the better program. We have the more stable conference situation where we don't have to trade away our football program to continue on. We have much more money. We have better facilities. We have a better coach. We have better players. We have better recruits. The past is the past. If you dwell in it, you will sound quite dumb.
We were much better than U Conn this past season. They were only a middle of the pack team in a lousy conference. Yes they have had a tradition but right now RU is the better team. How would they have done playing 20 BIG Ten games?
Except that you judge a program on its history, its present and the direction it is headed.
I'd give UCONN the edge in facilities. Their basketball only practice facility is damn impressive.
I am rooting for Hurley to crash & burn because I don't want UCONN to have nice things but it's the better program.
Fortunately for RU its entire athletic department is in a MUCH better place than UCONN's and headed in the right direction.
The "program" talk doesn't really matter so much with regard to Haarms.... sure, Purdue is a storied program, but they weren't a great team last year with him on it. A transfer from Purdue 2019-20 to Rutgers 2020-21 would be a move to a better team with more center depth... where instead of a timeshare with Trevion Williams, he'd be fighting with Omoruyi for a timeshare with Johnson.
So, on his end, it doesn't really make sense to come to Rutgers.
On our end, we'd be looking at taking on the 5th scorer from a team we beat twice and finished ahead of, at a position where we already have depth? And for just a one year rental? Just doesn't make any sense.
So, on his end, it doesn't really make sense to come to Rutgers.
On our end, we'd be looking at taking on the 5th scorer from a team we beat twice and finished ahead of, at a position where we already have depth? And for just a one year rental? Just doesn't make any sense.
The way I judge it is..does UConn have enough money to buy away pikiell if they wanted to. And I think the answer is no.
UConn's funds for the Athletic department is not the same as it once was. AAC has done some damage to their bottom line. It's one reason they moved the basketball programs back to the Big East. Even with that move, football is still a significant drain on the athletic department as an independent D1 program. The football program is pimping itself out in an attempt to cover financial problems.
This is ridiculous! This is not the program from 30 years ago or 10 years ago or even 3 years ago.. Rutgers is a better program then most of those schools at this point in time. RU is set up well to continue this past years success also. History does not matter to kids that much. It is more for the fans.
By your standard, RU would have to be an NCAA team or close for the next 20 years to be considered equal or better than most teams on that list
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https://www.nj.com/rutgersbasketbal..._contract_details_for_rutgers_coach_st_1.html
"In the meantime, Pikiell's buyout rates were he to leave Rutgers for another job (like, say, UConn) have increased significantly. If Pikiell were to leave Rutgers between now and March 31, 2019, he will owe the school $5 million, with the buyout decreasing by $1 million in each subsequent year. Pikiell's previous buyout was just $900,000 before the extension. If Hobbs leaves Rutgers at any time before the end of Pikiell's contract, though, a clause in the deal stipulates that Pikiell's current buyout rate at that time will be reduced by 50 percent."
Hobbs is done, so that clause won't matter much
If it looked like he was gonna leave, our donors would pony up though
Am i in lala land?
WE HAVE NOT MADE THE NCAA TOURNAMENT IN 30 YEARS!
WE HAVE ONE WINNING SEASON IN 15 YEARS!
You guys really think that one winning season transforms our entire program. Can we at least have two winning season in a row?
My standard is we need to run off a couple winning seasons and make the NCAA Tournament before we can say we are a better program than Arizona(who makes the NCAA tournament every year), Arkansas(who has been to 3 our of last 6 NCAA Tournaments), BYU(who has made the NCAA tournament 11 out of the last 20 years)... if it wasnt for this year Boston college would have a better program than us.
Some people shouldn't call themselves fans if they spend so much time trying to devalue Rutgers every chance.
Yes, you are in la la land.
First your "wrong " argument was how good 18 to 20 minutes a game Matt Haarms was last year and tried (unsuccessfully) to attach Haarms to being in a winning program, as some sort of qualifier that makes him better than RU or RUs bigs....which Haarms is not.
So then because Haarms isn't better than Myles or Cliff, you continue to argue that because we have better bigs than Haarms, that we're a better program than the schools on Haarms list of places he could land on next year.
Your argument has moved at least 4 times from Haarms is better than what RU has (wrong) to because other programs have a need for a big, that RU fans believe we're better than most programs...which if we are looking at results from last season, Kenyon 28 says, RU is pretty solid....
Then because RU was an NCAA team (lock in 99.9% of brackets), you're moving onto historical status of UConn or Arizona or whomever you want to now talk about, when that was never the topic....the topic you're illogical in talking about is need for a player vs the existing rosters in place elsewhere. They're not the same topic.
If you are now moving onto how good RU is on 2019-20 and 2020-21, this is a NCAA team for this past year and will be this coming season. Some of the history from other programs, don't suit up and play games for this upcoming season...so whatever new program you're going to pull out of the sky for 2020-21, has to play the games. If it's UConn, they're not better than RU this past year and are unlikely to be better than RU next year. No one is arguing history books or tradition...the discussion was Haarms and need to this coming season, nothing more or less.
If you don't like the fact that RU hasn't had a winning history or winning seasons until this year, that's a you problem...for the RU fans who are actually fans, we know the history BUT are not letting what happened before, impact today.....
Should all RU fans ignore what just happened this past year's 20 wins, ignore Jaden Jones as a top 100 recruit, ignore Cliff Omoyuri as a Top 50 recruit too?? Only Pancho would act as if he didn't watch any games for RU this year.
Stop saying we. No Rutgers fan talks like this. Your take is garbage.
My argument is if we had an available spot pikiell would take him with open arms. If Kentucky, Arizona, Gonzaga... think he is worth a conversation than without a doubt pikiell would entertain it. To say otherwise is silly..
People said they wouldn’t touch him regardless and seem to think that one winning season all of a sudden makes us this great program where we would pass up 7’3” major conference transfers.
I love pikiell and I love this team but we need more that one 19 win and bubble team season to all of a sudden put us ahead of perennial top 25 programs....
Let me guess we are going to start saying we were not a bubble team last year?
But you have changed my mind you are right. Based off our only winning season in 14 years I expect a number #1 seed in NCAA tournament.... we are better than any team in the country with two bigs who can pretty much start on any team and a list of 5 guards who can start on any team on the country.... #1 seed or bust.
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No we would not. You are making 1000 assumptions. Pikiell would use it on a guy we need. Myles and Cliff already are most likely not gonna play at same time together. Haarms wouldn't either.
Pancho It starts with one good year. Then you strive for 2.Then 3. Then it becomes a pattern . Then maybe a way of life. Of course we sucked. The idea is to not suck. We seem to have the right guy at the helm. Same in football. Maybe just maybe it will finally be R Time. Maybe ? Maybe not. I'm going with probably in both sports.
Wow, skip a thread for a few days and see the direction it takes!
I would not trade our hoops future for UConn's hoops future, starting now. Same for Boston College, easily. Arizona... they may see more success than us. BYU -I don't see why we cannot pass them although they have been solid for quite a while now. Arkansas - debatable. The SEC isn't regarded that highly in hoops.
I would not trade our hoops future for UConn's hoops future, starting now. Same for Boston College, easily. Arizona... they may see more success than us. BYU -I don't see why we cannot pass them although they have been solid for quite a while now. Arkansas - debatable. The SEC isn't regarded that highly in hoops.
So who do we need? The only pplayer that would really really really help us immediatly is a player who could come in day one and be a consistant 3 point threat. All the time. Not some games. All games. A guy who if he gets a wide open three you know that it is going in. thats it. Anyone else is just providing depth. at this point we have enough guards.
the way i look at it is on day 1 we go 6 deep at the guard position (Baker, Mathis, Mulcahy, Young, McConnell, Harper). As of right now on day 1, we go one deep at center position. Cliff will be very good but odds are he will not be the monster that we know he can be on day 1(especially that we know he may not be on campus until September). If we have foul trouble or someone gets hurt at the guard position we can easily replace them, if the same were to happen at the center position we would immediately take a step back.
What do we need? Any position other than center. Someone from the yeboah role.
Give me the argument that we can't use any other position more than another center knowing that Myles and Cliff will not play at the same time on the court rather than your empty Haha.
Wow. You can play until you're 30+ years old there. Eventually, he'll be strong enough for the NBA.
yes yes yes
while we beat Purdue I hate playing a against a talented 7 1 guy. When our talelst guy is 2 inches shorter it is tough to defend him.
Thank goodness he is leaving the conference.
while we beat Purdue I hate playing a against a talented 7 1 guy. When our talelst guy is 2 inches shorter it is tough to defend him.
Thank goodness he is leaving the conference.
UConn also has to worry about being on the hook to Kevin Ollie for $$$$$.
Wonder if we see Haarms again?
Oddly a few bracketologists had RU playing BYU last year and weirdly a few have us playing them again this year.
I remember playing BYU in the Garden. Think we beat them and then played an early Gary Williams Maryland team.
Wonder if we see Haarms again?
Oddly a few bracketologists had RU playing BYU last year and weirdly a few have us playing them again this year.
I remember playing BYU in the Garden. Think we beat them and then played an early Gary Williams Maryland team.
That's a false statement. UConn magically has more donors and more wealthy alum than we do now? Do they have big ten money? Because they don't, and I'm not afraid of big east money in the slightest compared to what we have coming our way with the full share.
We have more but Uconn donors support their school more. Rutgers needs to really step up in the area. Forget Uconn. Rutgers peers are Osu and Michigan now. That's the bar. We need to really up our alumni giving game. Thought it has gotten better.
B1G rev share isn't nearly enough, not if we truly want to compete.