GYERO ARCHIVE

[MattJones]

Well then, Matt Jones is congenitally stupid or just being stubborn in the face of ample evidence to the contrary.

I am fine saying Kentucky is a Top 5 program. It’s fair to say that I probably should have included Gonzaga but Kentucky is still in that group. The last 5 years have led to some disappointing results but all of the power programs (except Kansas) have had a bad year in the last six and while our first round tourney loss is as embarrassing as any in history, it isn’t the case we are in the toilet. As I said in the thread, the difference is that Duke beat Wisconsin in 2015 and we didn’t and this tourney run. Now those things are HUGE, but not some infinite gap. Kentucky is still a top 6 program in my mind (with Baylor being next up on the list)

Now with all that said, I am not crazy optimistic about the future. It’s not that I don’t think Cal can have a great year again. He can and probably will. But I do worry about the next 12 months. All of us, myself included, don’t want to hear nonsense snd that is likely what he will give us. I think it could be really toxic around here and nothing anyone says or does will matter until next March. That really isn’t a great tone for a program. So I am worried about next year and honestly if next year doesn’t go well, it’s over

As for “calling a spade a spade” and saying he needs to get out, that’s just not productive. He isn’t going anywhere. No one is paying $46 million and he ain’t quitting. So what good does it do to rant and rave about something that has zero chance of occurring. I do think Calipari can easily turn it around. But I don’t know if he will because he is so stubborn. That is a tough quandary

Ultimately it doesn’t really matter what anyone says. Nothing Cal can say or do will matter to this fanbase unless next season is very good to great, including March. If it is, he will be fine, as will the program. If it isn’t, the situation will become untenable. Ultimately performance will dictate the result and next year will be maybe the most tense of my lifetime

 

[cawoodsct]

Matt, UK is not a top 5 program. Quit making excuses, we are done with excuses, we are done with stats from his first 6 years.

 

[BLUEHILLS]

HK, enough already.

By the way, it's Mr HOFCJVC to you!

UKO, I want to see your special made UNC FF 2022 V neck shirt with you wearing that big gold chain/gold coin duo!

 

[Ron Mehico]

How can Cal easily turn it around? What does that even mean? Does he have a magic wand that will all of a sudden get us the top players and adjust his system to maximize them to win? But he’s too stubborn? Like he knows how to do that and easily implement it but just chooses not to because he’s too stubborn? That doesn’t make any sense.

 

[MattJones]

Matt, UK is not a top 5 program. Quit making excuses, we are done with excuses, we are done with stats from his first 6 years.

Great counter argument

What makes a top program is a combo of history, the last decade and special weight to last few years. Otherwise the top programs are just whoever is good right this moment

I am fine putting Kentucky in the 6. If you don’t want to, that’s fine. A case can be made for Baylor, Michigan, maybe UVA…but a case can also be made for Kentucky

Put it another way, until this tourney run, UNC has had some real disappointment in recent years. If you asked me the top 5 programs before the tourney, I would have still put them in. If you don’t want to, and have a different scale, so be it

 

[cawoodsct]

Great counter argument

What makes a top program is a combo of history, the last decade and special weight to last few years. Otherwise the top programs are just whoever is good right this moment

I am fine putting Kentucky in the 6. If you don’t want to, that’s fine. A case can be made for Baylor, Michigan, maybe UVA…but a case can also be made for Kentucky

Put it another way, until this tourney run, UNC has had some real disappointment in recent years. If you asked me the top 5 programs before the tourney, I would have still put them in. If you don’t want to, and have a different scale, so be it

Don’t let John off the hook… and in the end that’s what u are doing. *** him… we need results, not excuses.

 

[Strokin_Bandit]

Don’t confuse “stubbornness” with selfishness. Let’s be honest for a minute.

 

[cricket3]

These are the teams that have made the final 4 since we made one. Hard to argue we’re a top 5 program in that time frame.


North Carolina 3
Oklahoma
Villanova 3
Syracuse
Gonzaga 2
South Carolina
Oregon
Kansas 2
Loyola
Michigan
Virginia
Auburn
Texas Tech
Michigan State
Baylor
Houston
UCLA
Duke

 

[IB4UK_rivals31204]

How can Cal easily turn it around? What does that even mean? Does he have a magic wand that will all of a sudden get us the top players and adjust his system to maximize them to win? But he’s too stubborn? Like he knows how to do that and easily implement it but just chooses not to because he’s too stubborn? That doesn’t make any sense.

1. Quit screaming like a maniac during games. Gooooo! Making players tense up, etc.
2. Play a modern offense
3. Don’t drain the shot clock in the last 5 minutes when ahead. Almost cost us the 2012 against Kansas. Did cost him the championship against Kansas when he was at Memphis.
Think these 3 would be a good start.

 

[cawoodsct]

These are the teams that have made the final 4 since we made one. Hard to argue we’re a top 5 program in that time frame.


North Carolina 3
Oklahoma
Villanova 3
Syracuse
Gonzaga 2
South Carolina
Oregon
Kansas 2
Loyola
Michigan
Virginia
Auburn
Texas Tech
Michigan State
Baylor
Houston
UCLA
Duke

Matt Jones will argue it to keep making ****** excuses.

 

[UK_Dallas]

The SEC distributed over $54 million to each school for 2021. That number is only going to go up and then get meteoric once TX and OU arrive.

The "money isn't there" argument doesn't hold water IMO.

 

[cut_itloosedoubledeuce]

The buyout could be paid, the buyout can always be paid. But in this case, the buyout won’t be paid.

 

[MattJones]

These are the teams that have made the final 4 since we made one. Hard to argue we’re a top 5 program in that time frame.


North Carolina 3
Oklahoma
Villanova 3
Syracuse
Gonzaga 2
South Carolina
Oregon
Kansas 2
Loyola
Michigan
Virginia
Auburn
Texas Tech
Michigan State
Baylor
Houston
UCLA
Duke

That’s true but I don’t consider “making a Final Four” the final determination of what makes a top program. Do you really believe Loyola or Oregon or South Carolina or Auburn are better programs than we are? I am sure you don’t

Final Fours matter A LOT. But so do other things. As bad as everything seems, there is a world in which we have the NPOY return, two top 10 recruits and a top 8 that is really good. We might in the next two months get a commitment from the #1 player in America. And we might be legitimately great next year. But we might also get none of those things, blow it and Calipari can’t stay. We don’t know. Which is why the talk won’t matter. It will be all about the result

 

[krazykats]

Would have helped a ton if Maxey, Quickley, and Richard’s got a shot at that tournament together.

Is what it is. Everyone should focus on a hopeful UNC win followed by another epidemic closing **** down.

Get past this, then show me our roster for next year and let me recover with a season from mark stoops.

 

[HymanKaplan_rivals48997]

You all just need to shut up about me shutting up. Don't like the cotent? Add some of your own or **** off.

We are NOT currently a Top 5 program. Top 5 programs don't go 4 years w/o a tournament win.

Everyone says it's impossible to urge him to move on. I don't know that for a fact.

I do know that a 4+ year trend strongly indicates things are not going to get better while he's here.

 

[cawoodsct]

That’s true but I don’t consider “making a Final Four” the final determination of what makes a top program. Do you really believe Loyola or Oregon or South Carolina or Auburn are better programs than we are? I am sure you don’t

Final Fours matter A LOT. But so do other things. As bad as everything seems, there is a world in which we have the NPOY return, two top 10 recruits and a top 8 that is really good. We might in the next two months get a commitment from the #1 player in America. And we might be legitimately great next year. But we might also get none of those things, blow it and Calipari can’t stay. We don’t know. Which is why the talk won’t matter. It will be all about the

Matt enjoys NIT’s, losing seasons,losing to a 15 seed, kU getting all time wins and 7 years without a FF. Defend that.

 

[cawoodsct]

No defense , it’s a fuvking joke

 

[MattJones]

You all just need to shut up about me shutting up. Don't like the cotent? Add some of your own or **** off.

We are NOT currently a Top 5 program. Top 5 programs don't go 4 years w/o a tournament win.

Everyone says it's impossible to urge him to move on. I don't know that for a fact.

I do know that a 4+ year trend strongly indicates things are not going to get better while he's here.

That’s a different argument though and a fair one (although it’s two tournaments without a win…”4 years” is intentionally misleading. Two ****** tournaments). I can totally understand why you say the last few years make you pessimistic that it will happen. That’s perfectly reasonable

But again that’s why the argument is kind of wasted energy. Either he does it next year or he doesn’t. If he does, you will become optimistic. If he doesn’t, I don’t think he can stay here. So we get an end result

 

[IB4UK_rivals31204]

You all just need to shut up about me shutting up. Don't like the cotent? Add some of your own or **** off.

We are NOT currently a Top 5 program. Top 5 programs don't go 4 years w/o a tournament win.

Everyone says it's impossible to urge him to move on. I don't know that for a fact.

I do know that a 4+ year trend strongly indicates things are not going to get better while he's here.

Well, at least Cal got to use the program for a real life Make a wish experience for B-rad. Nothing made me angrier than Brad waddling onto the court.

 

[BLUEHILLS]

Matt enjoys NIT’s, losing seasons,losing to a 15 seed, kU getting all time wins and 7 years without a FF. Defend that.

I hear Morehead State has a good deal on season tickets cawood.

 

[cawoodsct]

That’s a different argument though and a fair one (although it’s two tournaments without a win…”4 years” is intentionally misleading. Two ****** tournaments). I can totally understand why you say the last few years make you pessimistic that it will happen. That’s perfectly reasonable

But again that’s why the argument is kind of wasted energy. Either he does it next year or he doesn’t. If he does, you will become optimistic. If he doesn’t, I don’t think he can stay here. So we get an end result

Your boy has underachieved. Call him out on it, quit being a *****

 

[IB4UK_rivals31204]

That’s a different argument though and a fair one (although it’s two tournaments without a win…”4 years” is intentionally misleading. Two ****** tournaments). I can totally understand why you say the last few years make you pessimistic that it will happen. That’s perfectly reasonable

But again that’s why the argument is kind of wasted energy. Either he does it next year or he doesn’t. If he does, you will become optimistic. If he doesn’t, I don’t think he can stay here. So we get an end result

How far does he have to advance in the tournament to satisfy your “does it” theory? Elite 8, Final Four?

 

[UK_Dallas]

Everyone says it's impossible to urge him to move on. I don't know that for a fact.

I don't either. As mad as we are at least we are rational. There are likely some irrational folks in/around Lexington that could cause enough problems that he'd decide to move on.

 

[MattJones]

Your boy has underachieved. Call him out on it, quit being a *****

Why are you so angry? I just gave my opinion. If you disagree, so be it

And “my boy” as you call him hasn’t talked to me in like a year and has passively taken shots at me, Ryan and Drew in press conferences all year because he believes we are too critical of him. Nothing I say can please everyone so I say what I think.

Btw sports gambling bill lives or dies tomorrow

 

[HymanKaplan_rivals48997]

Matt is right about the 4 years being misleading. It is, that's fair.

So we've only been historically bad for 2 years.

If he ran a company, he'd be gone after 8 consecutive quarters of historically bad,


"And “my boy” as you call him hasn’t talked to me in like a year and has passively taken shots at me, Ryan and Drew in press conferences all year because he believes we are too critical of him. Nothing I say can please everyone so I say what I think."

That just confirms what a big pvssy JVC has turned into. Futher proof he's not up to the job anymore.

 

[BLUEHILLS]

Matt, cawood is a real fan! That's why!

Lol

 

[BLUEHILLS]

A real fan becomes irrational and belligerent!

 

[krazykats]

Also doesn’t make sense to fire a coach that had us top 10-15most of the year and a 2 seed.

I get the argument of wanting him gone, I get it but 2017 E8, 2019 E8, 2020 no tournament, last year, then this year as a 2 seed.

Same old mistakes, same old offense, players being allowed to use us…….I would t complain if he left, but we ain’t firing the dude.

 

[HymanKaplan_rivals48997]

I retract my comment to BLUEHILLS. Just go back to bashing me. Your content is awful.

 

[cawoodsct]

Why are you so angry? I just gave my opinion. If you disagree, so be it

And “my boy” as you call him hasn’t talked to me in like a year and has passively taken shots at me, Ryan and Drew in press conferences all year because he believes we are too critical of him. Nothing I say can please everyone so I say what I think.

Btw sports gambling bill lives or dies tomorrow

kinda weak. Im
Sorry cal has done that to you guys. You support him and I think that’s bs

 

[kyboy1998_rivals34276]

I agree with what Matt has posted up to this point.

I want Cal to succeed next year and if he doesn’t I worry moving forward. I’m afraid Cal is getting into his listening to the “birds chirp” paranoia phase like he did when he was in New Jersey, and that is scary.

Cal has that Italian leg breaker mentality and I’m afraid he’ll burn it all down if we don’t accept his results…legacy be damned.

 

[Wrong]

Matt just don't go full on UofL Sheriff like TJ Walker did this weekend and you will be ok.

I think the NCAAT result have ramped up the anger for sure. Cal needs some good things to happen and Oscar to come back. Also for Sharpe to play next year would help as well. If Sharpe goes then Cal has an even bigger mess on his hands.

 

[cricket3]

That’s true but I don’t consider “making a Final Four” the final determination of what makes a top program. Do you really believe Loyola or Oregon or South Carolina or Auburn are better programs than we are? I am sure you don’t

It’s what we hang banners for and what Cal said was proof that we’re the gold standard in college basketball in his introductory press conference.

 

[UnfrozenCatfanLawyer]

Matt, do you think Cal really gets how pissed people are? Because I don’t know a soul who is optimistic about things going forward. I anticipate that attendance will be so bad early on next season that it will be jarring.

 

[MattJones]

I was talking about the spurious argument that it is IMPOSSIBLE to dump him, and then Matt said it's over if we have a bad year next year. My question is, WHY? It will be just as IMPOSSIBLE to dump him next year

I was talking about the spurious argument that it is IMPOSSIBLE to dump him, and then Matt said it's over if we have a bad year next year. My question is, WHY? It will be just as IMPOSSIBLE to dump him next year.

It’s not about what is or isn’t impossible. I am just telling you it ain’t happening this year. The school won’t do it. Period. Next year I think it’s unlikely they would, but who knows. But Calipari has too big an ego to stay where he sign wanted at all. And if we don’t win next year, I think that’s how things will get here

If not for the lifetime contract, he would have left before. He could leave agains and someone will pay him close to what we are paying him. This place is amazing when it’s great. If it’s toxic, it would be awful to be in charge. It’s not great now, but it’s still ok. However If we suck next year, it’s toxic. My prediction is at that point, it likely would find an ending

 

[IB4UK_rivals31204]

Matt, do you think Cal really gets how pissed people are? Because I don’t know a soul who is optimistic about things going forward. I anticipate that attendance will be so bad early on next season that it will be jarring.

I split season tickets with my family 3 ways. My grandfather bought them in 1951 when UK moved to memorial coliseum. Had the same seats 5 rows from the floor for 71 years and seriously debating letting them go. Tired of his Basketball Bennie comments, ****** home schedule, I don’t know, haven’t seen him nonsense.

 

[MattJones]

Matt, do you think Cal really gets how pissed people are? Because I don’t know a soul who is optimistic about things going forward. I anticipate that attendance will be so bad early on next season that it will be jarring.

I mean I don’t talk to him so I don’t know. But I know he had no clue how bad it was for the last 12 months, which is why I think he took it out on us without realizing that we were barely reflecting the growing sentiment that was out there

I know there are people around him who realize it. What I don’t know is if that is communicated to him or if he listens. We will find out

 

[cawoodsct]

Matt, UK, is not a top 5
Program, that’s where this stemmed from. We have fallen to top 10, max.

 

[Ron Mehico]

One issue is no one even knows how the hell Cal feels about it. Is he totally depressed? Does he understand why we would be upset and gets it? Is he pissed at the fans for questioning him? Is he fine because some of his players will be drafted? Who the hell knows, the guy is in constant salesman/cliche mode that he’s basically a walking mad libs at this point. When things are going bad I can’t imagine a more frustrating way to be as a fan.

 

[TheShowKiller]

It’s been downhill ever since Brad joined the program in an official capacity (as a player).

Since then, Cal’s had to be harangued by his family about the fanbase’s dislike for ENG and he’s taking it out on the program. It’s not just Brad’s fault either, it’s partially the family’s (and ultimately Cal’s) fault for molding their kid into such a putz.

In my mind, Cal’s essentially retired at this point and will just be cashing checks well into his 70’s here. Maybe we’ll get another ‘ship from our next coach the early 2030’s.

- Go Cats!

I didn’t know I was going to get a “Brad Calipari is the Yoko Ono of Kentucky Basketball” take today but I am here for it.