Frost on AM returning....

[NebChicago]

From interview:
Asked if there were conversations yet about Adrian Martinez returning or not in 2022, Frost said he's been having them with the QB for a long time and will continue to have them.

"Obviously he's poured a lot into this. I believe in him so much. I see him every day, and believe in him. I think we can still get a lot better around him. Obviously if he's back he's going to have a new coach and some new ideas. We'll figure that out in about nine days."

Frost said the QB seems to be "back to full strength and full speed now" after the bye. "He does some special things on the football field. Whether it's him or other people, we just need one or two more."

 

[JabroniBlvd]

Tough part for Frost right now is he has to win next season and does that path seem easier with a 5th year starting QB that shows flashes of good and bad or do you turn it over to someone new to get it done in their first year here? AM knows the offense and it will change some but not a ton imo with the new coaches.

 

[leodisflowers]

I think it's time to move on. I appreciate the kid and the way he handled himself as it is not easy here, but he didn't get it done and just doesn't seem to have the winning gene here. He'll probably go to another school and perform, but he isn't winning games here. Best to mutually part ways and he can head down to KSU to finish out his career.

 

[WHCSC]

Fix the line and you fix AM

 

[Husker.Wed._rivals]

Frost ruined his career here in 4 years in part by hitching his wagon to one horse. No reason to think he won't continue doing it in year 5. 2AM seems to have a Svengali hold on Frost.

 

[HuskerAlum92]

If the OL was top notch, we could hide AM’s limitations. If AM was Peyton Manning, we could hide our OL limitations. Both OL and QB have been problems.

What bugs me most is how much Frost believes in AM so much.

 

[cheddarwurst69]

PLEASE COME BACK!!!!

 

[Kato]

I think WHCSC hit the nail on the head. I also believe AM will be back next year for the reasons Jabron laid out. SF has to win next year and how do you do that with a brand new QB. AM will return but the backups will get more snaps next year with the easier schedule to set up the following year. We'll also bring in a QB from the portal.

 

[Phantom Husker]

Tough part for Frost right now is he has to win next season and does that path seem easier with a 5th year starting QB that shows flashes of good and bad or do you turn it over to someone new to get it done in their first year here? AM knows the offense and it will change some but not a ton imo with the new coaches.

AM 100% You get a solid OL coach, drastically improve up front and the new OC turns pass plays from looking at progression 1-3 into looking at progression 1, maybe 2, then taking off running while defensive secondary have their backs turned. Adrian rarely throws picks when looking at his first read. He throws picks when he feels pressure, gets flustered, and throws to his 2nd or 3rd look. The WRs rarely execute the scramble drill as well which is essentially, coming back to the QB, sitting in an open spot out, and looking for the ball. That is as much on the WRs coach as it is the WRs. Not asking AM to do too much is key for 2022 but he needs a lot of support up front. This is the key to success in my opinion for next year.

 

[Lincoln100]

Fix the line and you fix AM

 

[Baxter48_rivals204143]

Imo they both need to part ways, Adrian should move on so he can smoke weed and not work out at Montana st , what was the sense in frost dumping 4 offensive coaches if Martinez comes back, start with a new quarterback for the future hell if Adrian comes back I’ll probably become another west coast huskerfan

 

[leodisflowers]

AM 100% You get a solid OL coach, drastically improve up front and the new OC turns pass plays from looking at progression 1-3 into looking at progression 1, maybe 2, then taking off running while defensive secondary have their backs turned. Adrian rarely throws picks when looking at his first read. He throws picks when he feels pressure, gets flustered, and throws to his 2nd or 3rd look. The WRs rarely execute the scramble drill as well which is essentially, coming back to the QB, sitting in an open spot out, and looking for the ball. That is as much on the WRs coach as it is the WRs. Not asking AM to do too much is key for 2022 but he needs a lot of support up front. This is the key to success in my opinion for next year.

Problem is, AM doesn't see the field well. I know part of that is the line play, but he also has had time and just doesn't see things well.

 

[WHCSC]

 

[mgbreeze]

I simply cannot believe some of you have watched AM fail for four seasons and want him back. It’s insane. He’s the guy that scrambles backwards for a safety. He’s the guy that always turns the ball over in critical situations. He’s the guy that NEVER gets the job done in crunch time possessions, he’s the guy that runs out of bounds when he could get a critical first down. He is not a winning QB and there has never been a QB with more statistical proof of that fact.

 

[steinek11]

Fix the line and you fix AM

No.

 

[Lincoln100]

If the OL was top notch, we could hide AM’s limitations. If AM was Peyton Manning, we could hide our OL limitations. Both OL and QB have been problems.

What bugs me most is how much Frost believes in AM so much.

A little (hiding AM's limitations), but they'd still probably try to make him a pocket passer, which is fubar. Guy makes bad decisions, and isn't accurate enough. I would hope they would run the rb more with a stud OL, but like you said, I think Frost sees himself in AM, hearthands him, and would continue to see him as the savior and ask him to do things he shouldn't be doing.

 

[Lincoln100]

I simply cannot believe some of you have watched AM fail for four seasons and want him back. It’s insane. He’s the guy that scrambles backwards for a safety. He’s the guy that always turns the ball over in critical situations. He’s the guy that NEVER gets the job done in crunch time possessions, he’s the guy that runs out of bounds when he could get a critical first down. He is not a winning QB and there has never been a QB with more statistical proof of that fact.

Not 100%, but I'm fairly certain that if he loses these last two games, he will tie for the record for most losses by a D1 qb.

 

[Harry Caray]

Fix the line and you fix AM

B.S. Martinez has wide open receivers all the time, but he misses them.

 

[dinglefritz]

Fix the line and you fix AM

Man I don't know. He did have games where he really looked good and then he had games that even when not under pressure he couldn't find or hit an open receiver. Was it just shell shock from getting hit so much? I've seen NFL guys talk about how the Texan's O line ruined David Carr. They made it sound almost like PTSD. In general the more a QB gets hit, the poorer on non-pressured plays he gets. Some of Adrian getting hit was him holding the ball too long and that goes with his decision making. I don't know if a different QB coach and better O line could fix Adrian's problems or not. Maybe.

 

[Charlie Marlow_rivals363743]

Not 100%, but I'm fairly certain that if he loses these last two games, he will tie for the record for most losses by a D1 qb.

I asked about this before, but he still has a ways to go to catch up to Jay Cutler. Could do it if he came back next year though.

 

[dinglefritz]

PLEASE COME BACK!!!!

please get thee to the BADger board.

 

[Lincoln100]

Does it matter? When your best play is the QB scramble on a designed pass play, you aren't a very good coach.

 

[JOHNNY N]

Martinez makes his share of wtf type of mistakes, but the lack of even average oline play has been incredibly detrimental to his level of success here. Frost should've moved on from Austin a year ago, at least.

 

[JOHNNY N]

PLEASE COME BACK!!!!

Doesn't Martinez generally light up the badger defense?

 

[MacDiddly]

People are too enamored by the once a game miracle play.
The kid makes losing plays. He has had three game ending turnovers (Purdue, Michigan, Michigan State), has boneheaded plays (safety from 11 yards out), and still can’t throw the ball. He doesn’t drive it at all - always tries to put touch on it. And he can’t hit a drag route to save his life which has cost us another two games. I’m sure there are more examples of him doing us more bad than good.

 

[JOHNNY N]

People are too enamored by the once a game miracle play.
The kid makes losing plays. He has had three game ending turnovers (Purdue, Michigan, Michigan State), has boneheaded plays (safety from 11 yards out), and still can’t throw the ball. He doesn’t drive it at all - always tries to put touch on it. And he can’t hit a drag route to save his life which has cost us another two games. I’m sure there are more examples of him doing us more bad than good.

All that without mentioning the lack of quality oline play. Lack of playmakers at receiver and only one decent rb in 4 years.

 

[Anon1727835823]

Frost said the QB seems to be "back to full strength and full speed now" after the bye. "He does some special things on the football field. Whether it's him or other people, we just need one or two more."

special isn’t always good. Look at our special teams….

 

[MacDiddly]

Poor o-line play doesn’t matter if you have poor throwing technique, throw a two second route, or run 15 yards backwards (Unpressured) and take a sack. Or fumble the ball on a key possession.

 

[Kato]

Poor o-line play doesn’t matter if you have poor throwing technique, throw a two second route, or run 15 yards backwards (Unpressured) and take a sack. Or fumble the ball on a key possession.

How can you be unpressured and sacked?

 

[MacDiddly]

I’m not saying this was great o line play. Austin is a god awful coach in that regard, but come on - terrible decision making late in the game. We see that over and over and over with Adrian

 

[chisler]

Tough part for Frost right now is he has to win next season and does that path seem easier with a 5th year starting QB that shows flashes of good and bad or do you turn it over to someone new to get it done in their first year here? AM knows the offense and it will change some but not a ton imo with the new coaches.

better o line, am could be better

 

[Headcard]

I’m not saying this was great o line play. Austin is a god awful coach in that regard, but come on - terrible decision making late in the game. We see that over and over and over with Adrian

Pause that video at :07 or :08. Absolutely insane that that play ends up a sack.

 

[gw2kpro]

Jay Cutler was 11-35 @ Vanderbilt

John Elway was 20-23 @ Stanford

Adrian Martinez is 14-23 at Nebraska.

With SF staying put, there is a chance that he achieves Cutler's record next season.

Which is no small feat in 150 years' worth of play.

 

[cestrup]

I think he's probably a good kid.

He's a dynamic runner but he actually steps away when passing down field rather than into his throw.

We need a lot. If we actually had a killer OL and running game, I could see him being enough. We don't

 

[gw2kpro]

better o line, am could be better

With a better QB, the O-line could be better also.

There is zero -- nada -- no threat whatsoever of us catching the defense with their pants down on a middle screen. None. Which is a tool that can be used to slow down aggressive / overaggressive blitz packages.

We don't even try to call them anymore and defensive coordinators have to know this (we did the first couple of years but apparently gave up) . The ball is usually either so far off target or thrown so hard that it was like having a heart attack each attempt.

 

[Anon1727835823]

How can you be unpressured and sacked?

Fall down?

 

[mgbreeze]

How can you be unpressured and sacked?

I don't think it's a difficult concept to understand. If you hold the ball too long, don't see open receivers, and don't step up in the pocket to avoid pressure - that's on the QB not the o-line. I think its a combination in our case many times - terrible o-line, terrible QB.

 

[Anon1727835823]

Pause that video at :07 or :08. Absolutely insane that that play ends up a sack.

Can’t see the coverage. He only had about 3 seconds. Initial blocking was good, but then Corcoran got beat. AM could have ran, but again, he was still looking for a receiver to get open.

 

[nostromo78]

Fix the line and you fix AM

this^

 

[Lincoln100]

Can’t see the coverage. He only had about 3 seconds. Initial blocking was good, but then Corcoran got beat. AM could have ran, but again, he was still looking for a receiver to get open.

And it is less that Corcoran got beat than it is that AM made himself available to the defender. If he steps up, Corcoran is still between the defender and AM and can continue to engage. AM moves into the position to get sacked. But, this isn't 100% on him because it is what he has always done. He always backs up to buy time, and often times ends up throwing off his back foot. It has never been corrected.