I see my post went right over your head.
Not surprising, you need some common sense to understand it.
Expectations vs reality
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Not surprising, you need some common sense to understand it.
If we had a shot at a 1 seed this year, it went out the window the second Cal scheduled a bunch of sub 300 teams.
No it didn't lol. That's not why we wouldn't be getting a 1-seed. If anything, believe it or not, I think that's what is keeping us in the hunt for a 1-seed.
Wins still matter. Any power conference team that goes the season with only 4-5 losses is likely getting a 1-seed. Now, I'm not saying we GET a 1-seed.. I think we're a 2 or a 3. But the first 7 games we've had are fine when you factor in some tough OOC games coming up along with the SEC.
About the dumbest post I’ve ever read. It’s not that you can’t see the forest for the trees. You won’t acknowledge the trees exist. Talking to squirrels is easier, at least they don’t jump at marbles thinking it’s mulberries.
To me this all depends on the timeframe used.
I mean during Cal's tenure I believe only 2 other programs have won more games. We've been to four final fours which I have to imagine is the best in that timeframe or one of the best.
If we are talking about the last 5 years than no of course not.
But no school every stays at the top forever. Even in our rich history we've had periods where we weren't completely on top. This goes in cycles to me.
IMO the bigger question is whether or not the last 5 years some indication of where we are heading in the future or whether we return maybe not to 10-15 ridiculous levels but rather a consistent title contender again.
Yeah I think the 1 seed talk while we should be aiming for it, I'm not sure that's a consistent realistic expectation.
Be in the title hunt. Usually you can at the end of the season pick 6-8 teams that can win it all and be reasonably confident the winner is coming from that group. So lets stretch that to a 2 seed. Maybe a 3 seed.
UK this year and every year should be in the 1-3 range IMO.
Be in the title hunt. Usually you can at the end of the season pick 6-8 teams that can win it all and be reasonably confident the winner is coming from that group. So lets stretch that to a 2 seed. Maybe a 3 seed.
UK this year and every year should be in the 1-3 range IMO.
Not one of those you refer to, but I have a question. What does UK do if Cal retires? What does UK if Cal decides to leave?
obviously you need to go back and reread it. That post has a lot of things in it that respectable posters will agree with.
He did do that. I think that's why I'm a little disappointed that he has only brought home one title. He did alot of talking about stuff like that.
But we have to time frame it. These kids coming into college basketball right now, really don't give a rip about AD and MKG.
Also, is Cal not compensated enough to keep UK on top? He’s the one talking about "The Gold Standard" and he's the one turning the roster over every year. He has to own this.
In my opinion, UK and the BBN have more than done their part, Cal chooses to focus on different goals.
When you purposely put obstacles in your way while you collect 9 million a year, it's on you and you can't deny that Cal is putting obstacles in his own way.
We can disagree on why he's putting obstacles in his way. I'm pretty sure you know my take on that, I've said it a million times.
I have no expectations of a title this year. None.
I expected Cal to have at least 3 titles by now based on the level of recruiting he was at over the past decade. He blew it at least twice with his lack of in-game adjustments. UK should have 3 titles under Cal, minimum. That sounds crazy to say, but he has had more than enough talent, the brackets opened up in more than one tourney for UK, but he failed to deliver when it mattered most.
I expected Cal to have at least 3 titles by now based on the level of recruiting he was at over the past decade. He blew it at least twice with his lack of in-game adjustments. UK should have 3 titles under Cal, minimum. That sounds crazy to say, but he has had more than enough talent, the brackets opened up in more than one tourney for UK, but he failed to deliver when it mattered most.
I actually think he could have made a run at UCLA, if he had that as a primary goal.
Cal got sidetracked along the way. In country terms "he got above his raising " or
"too big for his britches" That is the problem I have with him, that isn't going to change. Let someone else save the world, just coach basketball and win games
for the most historic program in college basketball. That is his job, that's what he gets paid to do.
I'm not sure what it is. Maybe Cal isn't making enough money.
Or, maybe he hasn't had enough talent.
Or maybe the fan support just isn’t good enough.
Or, maybe UK just isn't a big enough advantage.
I don't know what it is, there's no way it can be Cal's priorities or his coaching. Nahhhh.
My post wasn't a Cal hating post, you would understand that if you actually read it.
But, you know, sometimes the truth hurts.
I tried. I’m not so good with Gumpalump. Just more of your KY bashing is what I saw. Jeffy just go shine you MVP runner up church jamboree trophy. Make it look good.
You’re first sentence says it all. He could have. I don’t doubt it. Something got all wrong, and only he knows what. At this point, I don’t care. He isn’t the answer going forward.
Poor devil he was just too high strung
The last time we had a coach that supposedly embraced the program over the players, josh harrelson had to spend halftime in a bathroom stall, multiple players were threatened with not being able to ride the team bus back to school, high profile recruits were thrown out of practice, to show how macho he was our coach threw a bunch of balls at Darius Miller's feet in retaliation for a bad entry pass in practice and the team was banned from wearing shirts celebrating Jodie Meeks' 54 point game because "this isnt the jodie meeks show"
The grass isnt always greener on the other side, BCG was hired because he supposedly slept in his office and ate, slept and breathed basketball and yet he brought us embarassment and pain, anything is possible and things can always get worse....remember that
We had the lead late in both of those games and our coaching staff blew it. We took the air out of the ball vs Wisconsin and didn't know how to attack the zone vs UNC and lost both contests. With better coaching in 2015 and 2017 we would have two more National Championships.
Fair enough. Looking back on over 50 years of following UK basketball, Halls years standout first. Then Pitinos. Then Tubby. Then Cal. Then Bcg. I don’t think I’m in the minority.
And, just to amplify your point, there is absolutely zero evidence that Cal doesn't embrace the program. Zero. Nada. We have some haters and malcontents that like to spew a few "coach speak" phrases intended to attract recruits and families. Unfortunately, these "special" individuals pull these phrases out of context and carry them around like holy shields of protection.
Phrases to attract recruits, lol. Pass UCLA. Gold standard. We are college basketball. Players first. Did I forget gold standard? We eat first. Gold standard. Players first. No where in my recollection of all this crap does it mention championship. Or multiple. Did I miss something? (Wife’s comments don’t count).
Thanks there backstabber, errr, cutty. You provided a perfect example of my point. I would advise you to avoid coach news conferences. if you do listen, realize 2 things. One, they are not talking to you alone. Two, it is clear you are understanding less than 50% of what you hear. I'd avoid discussing what you hear in public too. It's embarrassing to the rest us, like bad breath.
I’m advised to listen to one thing, and one thing only. Wanna guess what that is sir rhratthacakki?
Regrettably, it's obviously something you don't understand. That doesn't narrow the field much. Sorry I can't be more specific.
It's so comical to watch people say that OAD is a failure and you can't win championships that way, and then turn around and say with the way Cal has recruited he should have at least 3 titles. Bless their hearts.
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If it’s “coach speak” he’s better off shutting his mouth. Not promising the moon knowing full well it is impossible.
His best teams had a mix. Everyone knows this. Cal got the top kids and a mix of returnees.
Cal has had more talent at UK than any recent coach. That's not even debatable. OAD is a failure when kids are not even drafted and still leave. That's what led to last year. EJ and Hagans left and shouldn't have. There have been others.
I doubt UK goes 9-16 with Hagans at the point and EJ on the floor with Jackson, Mintz, and Sarr.
To use your example, you do realize that neither Hagans, nor EJ were one-and-done right? In fact, they were guys that the vast majority of this board wanted to run off because they deemed them failures.
Waiting for some folks to have an epiphany and realize the problem is not Cal that is the problem it is the UK fan base. Cal has done all he can do with what he had but at some point a state full of January 6 alumni is going to fall out of favor with mostly inner city urban players. We were "in" because of the swag Cal brought in but it is no coincidence that in late 2015 into 2016 we nosed dived along with our state due to horrendous political choices. You can't make diamonds out of lumps of coal forever. We're about as "cool" as truck nuts now thanks to the usual bubba gump overalls shooting their guns at clouds crowd.
Cleisthenes was a known pedophile. Good choice for a burner name pheg.
Typical Cal fanboy, twisting what is said.
This is why my posts are usually long, you have to explain everything, because so many people don't understand.
Rolling with the One-and-done is fine, but when non-NBA kids are leaving after 1 or 2 years, this won't work. Eventually you have to get guys like EJ, Lamb, Teague, Hagans, Juzang, Baker, Orton, Dakari etc… to stay, but they don’t, because they came here with the sole intent to build their own personal brand and leave after 2 years max. So it makes no sense to bring those dudes in.
If you're going to do this, you have to bring in top shelf kids at every position and have back ups, if you strike out and bring in a bunch of projects, you're not going anywhere.
Since 2015, Cal has turned this into an NBA training grounds instead if a college basketball program. You'll probably disagree, you'll be wrong, but you can disagree if you want.
Wrong board, why don't you make like a tree and get the hell outta here.