Kill it-eat it. Now that’s another thread entirely.
Expectations vs reality
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Yawn. Never posted during the Billy Clyde era. I don’t bash my program in public. How did you defend your drinking buddy?
Take your morhorski arse and walk too long on a short pier....
I strongly disagree with your assessment on 2020. That team was filled with great guards Maxey and Quickley along with Hagans. Guard play rules the NCAA tournament. The reality is that team had just a chance as anyone that year with those guards like it or not.
You forgot the old standby…REFS.
My Brudder, "We have no need to redefine the nature of our relationship..."
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I am confident you will keep posting crap like this to try and initiate controversy. You love starting shi''.
Never thought of it fitting.If da shi" fits....
But by golly, it does. Wait, stink or something on something. Anyway, yeah. You’re onto something man 
Mine was for us to catch UCLA or tie them with Titles.
So you have nothing to add of value as usual
Well, he/she/it, added crap
it’s a startYou clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
Anyone who thinks this program is in better shape now than it was at most points before he took over is clueless and part of the problem.
Ok buddy, whatever you say.
If Cal didn't come when he did we were a season or two away from complete and utter irrelevance. In the modern era we've been saved twice by the right hire at the right time. Pitino and Cal.
I would challenge you to explain to me how exactly we are in worse shape now.
Last year sucked but if you want to make hyperbolic statements you should explain them.
From 1999-2009 our record was 268-106. 71%. We hadn't been to a Final Four in 11 years. We hadn't been to a Sweet 16 in 5 years. We only made it to the EE 3x in 11 years.
From 2010 to now we are 345-94. 78%. Four Final Fours, 1 title, 7 EE's. We also weren't named like every other Blue Blood out there in multiple scandals and boy would the NCAA love to have something on UK.
We are now the most valuable program in CBB. Bet we weren't in 2008.
You are crazy man. Don't let one horrible season live rent free in your brain.
Lastly, I'll add I'm a fan of UK first so spare any Cal fan garbage. I went to UK and was there during Tubby era. Cals time here is probably 3rd best in our program history and I just hope we get another Pitino/Cal type hire when the time comes. Basketball isn't like the golden days, the mighty can fall hard and fast.
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I expected multiple national Championships
The last thing I expected was a coach more worried about the NBA than winning games and National Championships at UK
The last thing I expected was a coach more worried about the NBA than winning games and National Championships at UK
Just can’t agree with that Higgins. I don’t know either, who is the respected king of college basketball these days, but it’s not UK. King of draft picks? One and dones? Coach appearance on draft night? Maybe. We AIN’T college basketball no mo. That bothers me. Even through the down years, we were. We’re a prep team for the NBA. Take your king of college basketball and stick him where the sun don’t shine for all I care. It’s still UK to me, not UNBA.
I just care about winning. I'd prefer a system where our players stuck around, but winning cures all. Last year was rough for that reason.
At the end of the day girls, we all want the Cayts to win.
I’m with you. I think practically every one of us is .
We can agree on that. The system isn’t what it was in my day, and that’s ok too. I understand. But we need a coach that embraces UK. IMO, we don’t have that.
Eh, I dunno man. I think Cal embraces UK. Just because he is honest with the players doesn't mean he doesn't care about the school, he cares about his players too.
Also don't recall any Coach being as active as Cal in the community either. He does stuff that other UK coaches just didn't do in the community, camps, etc.
He's far from perfect and stubborn as hell, no doubt.
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I expected roughly what we got from the first 5 years spread out over 10 years, with a few more 17' or 20' teams mixed in there. I expected about 2-3 ships before he left in 10-15 years, most likely 2. Hoped for more but that seemed reasonable.
Admittedly though, by 15' my standards and expectations had cranked up a bit. Looking back it's been a disappointment by the only real standard, championships. Considering the monster teams and talents he's had it's crazy he only has one championship. Imo there isn't a good excuse for his first team and the 15 team to not have gotten championships. He failed there. As things are looking now, he's not getting that talent anymore so it doesn't look good for him getting anymore titles. Not saying he can't, just that it doesn't appear likely with what we know now.
Alternatively, with Roy, K, and Calhoun retired and a revamped, elite staff, next year could be the first in another 5 year run of elite results and another championship. It's possible.
Admittedly though, by 15' my standards and expectations had cranked up a bit. Looking back it's been a disappointment by the only real standard, championships. Considering the monster teams and talents he's had it's crazy he only has one championship. Imo there isn't a good excuse for his first team and the 15 team to not have gotten championships. He failed there. As things are looking now, he's not getting that talent anymore so it doesn't look good for him getting anymore titles. Not saying he can't, just that it doesn't appear likely with what we know now.
Alternatively, with Roy, K, and Calhoun retired and a revamped, elite staff, next year could be the first in another 5 year run of elite results and another championship. It's possible.
Much respect. I can agree to disagree. Who knows. We all have opinions.
We 100% can. I have problems with very few on this board, though I probably disagree with a good percentage of the regulars. One thing to always appreciate is good debate.
Someone coming along and telling me "I'm part of the problem" and saying nothing else of note...well that is where I take issue.
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Agree. I think this thread has been pretty civil, but I have a couple on ignore so I haven't seen everything.
Most on here are pretty knowledgeable. Don't agree with everyone but most have good points both ways.
I expected UK basketball to be exciting again, for a while it was. Losses at home to the likes of Evansville , going 23-25 in last 5 years against top 25 teams hasn’t helped. **** canning the preseason tournaments we played in which were tremendously exciting to our fans who traveled to them in droves hasn’t been particularly exciting. Nor has gutting our presconference home schedule to play tomato cans because he can no longer beat anyone else early in the year isn’t very exciting.
I expected UK to compete for a national Championship every year, and for a while we did. I didn’t expect us to not even make the tournament twice.
I expected Cal to build great teams that played great basketball, I didn’t expect almost unwatchable November and December’s dominate by freshman trying to learn the game. I also didn’t expect us to lose 8 scholarship players a year to the NBA ready otr not or via transfer, forcing us to bring in a huge class every year and having a totally new roster yearly doesn’t make for a lot of great basketball.
I expected a coach who” got it” about being at UK and it’s fan base, and for a while it seemed like he did. I didn’t expect a coach that sniped at his fan base at the first hint of criticism, who ranted about curing “ generational poverty” being more important than winning champoinships here. I didn’t expect our coach to say NBA draft night was more important than than championships,.
Finally I expected Cal to win and win big , and for a while he did, and then he didn’t I had no idea our all time win record would be threatened under Cal but we are very likely to lose it this year to Kansas who has beaten us 4-5 in last games.
I expected UK to compete for a national Championship every year, and for a while we did. I didn’t expect us to not even make the tournament twice.
I expected Cal to build great teams that played great basketball, I didn’t expect almost unwatchable November and December’s dominate by freshman trying to learn the game. I also didn’t expect us to lose 8 scholarship players a year to the NBA ready otr not or via transfer, forcing us to bring in a huge class every year and having a totally new roster yearly doesn’t make for a lot of great basketball.
I expected a coach who” got it” about being at UK and it’s fan base, and for a while it seemed like he did. I didn’t expect a coach that sniped at his fan base at the first hint of criticism, who ranted about curing “ generational poverty” being more important than winning champoinships here. I didn’t expect our coach to say NBA draft night was more important than than championships,.
Finally I expected Cal to win and win big , and for a while he did, and then he didn’t I had no idea our all time win record would be threatened under Cal but we are very likely to lose it this year to Kansas who has beaten us 4-5 in last games.
Well done.
I wasn't going to enter this thread but I love a good laugh of misery begets misery.
It's like a posse of pig pens of the peanuts gang.
Final Fours since 1958
1966
1975
1978
1984
1993
1996
1997
1998
2011
2012
2014
2015
So that makes 12 in 64 years
So that's an average of 1 in every 5.33 years
BUT Cal's average is 1 in every 3 years. HOW COULD THAT BE?
All great coaches have their run.
Cals is coming
NIL evens the playing field of the past 7 years where Duke, Kansas, Arizona, LSU, Oklahoma State, Memphis and Cleveland State were paying players and North Carolina players don't have to go to class so they have extra time to color.
Go Cats!!
So, if Cal has averaged a FF every 3 years and we are 7 years out from our last FF, is what we are experiencing these past 6 years an anomoly.........or a trend?
Asking for some friends......in low places.
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