Yeah I'm just not into excuses like some people are. He didn't live up to the hype and that's a fact. I don't dislike the kid and I'm happy he came to Duke, but I'm also not going to make **** up or lie about it. The fact that you base how good a player is on points and assists tells me all I need to know about your basketball knowledge.
Duval Declares for Draft
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Outside of Bagley, if you were to ask me "which of the other 4 starters has the best chance to be a multi-year NBA All-star?" I would go with Duval. His ceiling is ridiculously high.
Carter will be solid, and play for a very long time, I see him being a long-time starter, but I dont think his ceiling is that of an NBA All-Star.
Trent will be a sharpshooter, probably score a lot of points, but his ceiling isn't anywhere near Duval's. Ditto for Grayson.
Carter will be solid, and play for a very long time, I see him being a long-time starter, but I dont think his ceiling is that of an NBA All-Star.
Trent will be a sharpshooter, probably score a lot of points, but his ceiling isn't anywhere near Duval's. Ditto for Grayson.
I was very hard on him most of the year, used the phrase "bad Duval" a lot because bad Duval cost Duke several games in key moments (UVA, Boston College, etc.) but the entire team was a work in progress (and will be next year as well *sigh*) and he progressed a lot. He had a fantastic tournament and if senior captain Allen and/or supposed first round pick Trent could have thrown it in the ocean against Kansas Duke would have made the final four. Kansas could not stop him and he was also the catalyst that got Duke it's only win against UNC this season. all in all he played his best basketball when it mattered in March, without him Duke loses to Kansas by double digits.
I don't think you read my post correctly, "bad Duval" did not show up in the Kansas game- he played great. the other 2 in the backcourt, not so much.
edit: i see you were talking about the UVA/BC games. I'm not necessarily blaming the entire loss on Duval, just saying he made key mistakes at critical points in those games.
I deleted my comment because once I reread your comment I agreed with it
I was for that UVa and BC game. But once I read I agreed with you as a whole. Some folks on here just like to blame the freshman guard when the senior guard was just as bad
He was hold ur breath all year in every aspect of his game. He cost us games . He kept us (in) games . He played his best against Kansas .Thank you for that. Our offense has nothing to do with how he played I’m sorry. Our offense with him playing around the wing mostly was caused by his inability to run the point in the first place ! His inability to do what hes supposed to do best anyway! Drive and dish! Now it did improve the last few games.. He doesn’t look good in any offense imo. Most improved? Maybe. but when you play as bad as he did barring the last few games I mean ?? Everybody else was good day 1 lol. He needs to work on everything and isn’t ready. Did he even show his athleticism ? Maybe Few plays all year lol. Now I do think he’d be a better NBA player. Imo he doesn’t have much to do to accomplish that and is (as of now) nothing but a slasher and defender. I do wish him well and will always root for him. That’s as sugarcoating as I can give. Imo he deserves the criticism anyway. Especially when u can dish it out on ur twitter. You better be able to take it. Should help him. No1 wants to just bash a kid, just being honest as is everyone else . Give them a break. Why people have to (attack) someones opinion is beyond me . Anybody that disagrees can disagree with K obviously as well..
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He wasn't allowed to drive and dish much. We ran 8% pick-and-rolls this year with a pick-and-roll type point guard. How much sense does that make? He wasn't a stand around the perimeter type guy. He's an attacker. He wasn't allowed to attack. Go back and watch post game from the games we made big comebacks in the second half. Coach K says the same thing "we stopped calling plays and just let them play off instincts". You don't find that interesting. He can't coach these super talented teams like he coached back in the day. These freshmen need to play instinctively if you want them to reach their potential as a team. That's one thing I give Cal. He lets his guys play. He just doesn't have any kind of structure on offense when the game really slows
This is a driver, and an incorrect one, of opinionsregarding Duval's contributions to our struggles/losses in games this year. He often performed too, or above, expectations even in losses. But he'd have one horrendous mistake, usually late in a game, that cost us the W. In the UVA game, his attacking and D got us back in the game, but that late turnover on that asinine pass attempt to Carter turned into a 3 for UVA that made it a 2 possession game. AKA game over.
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He had a horrible turnover late in the KU game where he tried to split a double team.
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But similar plays to that obscured how well he usually played in the game up until then. Those late game blunders allowed people to shift blame to TD for the team's failures. Sure, those late game TOs and mistakes hurt. But we would have been way up if the bigs had rebounded better (in some losses), or if the guards had been able to throw it in the ocean. When TD made a stupid mistake late, it gave Allen's apologists convenient cover to ignore his 20% shooting for the game because of the recentness of TD's mistake. All too often this fanbase would seize on TD's one or 2 mistakes, while ignoring all the good he'd done, as an excuse to ignore the game long bed pooping done by Allen.
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What is going to be hilarious is when TD turns into a stud and everyone pretends that they'd always loved him, just like they've done with Tatum.
I’m just keeping it real. No way Cal should be able to go to 4 final fours in 5 years while coach k only been once in 9 years. We should’ve been in the final four the last 2 years at least
It's okay to be critical of one's play and not be critical in a personal manner. The world is not always black or white.
It was obvious how much Trevon cared about winning. He had a great attitude and never once caused any issues after he was benched during the season. He contributed a lot and hope he does great at the next level! Count me among those that believe his game is more tailored for an NBA offense.
I’ve been saying that all year. Trevon is young and raw so he’s going to make mistakes. His dad told coach k that when he was recruiting him. He’s still learning how to run an offense and not just being in attack mode all game. But some folks on here loved Grayson so much that I think they looked forward to Tre messing up so Grayson could have the ball and be the hero of the team. They want him to get his jersey retired so bad. The love fest was real. He was not the player people expected him to be this year and that hurt us in a lot of games. We should know what to expect from a 3rd year starting senior but he was as u predictable as the freshmen
The attacks on TD often got very personal. He was accused of not being invested in Duke's team or success. There was a lot of JCDing that went on in this fan base for the last 2 years.
Yep. Feel like the board reached an all-time low during the Tatum hate times. Those who said bad things about Tatum should have turned in their Duke fan card a while ago.
I remember Tatum being a absolute beast for us rebounding . Don’t remember any criticism ...maybe taking bad shots? ....I can’t remember after this wreck I had. Regardless he was (the) star and pretty sure people knew he was gonna be good and a lottery . Not a good comparison to Duval . Everybody that’s a duke fan is rooting for Duval . It’s not a competition who’s going to be right or wrong. It’s honest opinions that don’t satisfy and get attacked because some want to make it that way. Right or wrong who cares .I want Duval to succeed as does everybody who’s said something not satisfying . Do I think he’s I guess good ready? no. Do some yes . Draftable? Yes. Who’s right? I hope y’all are.
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There were LOTS of people saying Tatum only cared about improving his draft stock and wasn't a team player. There were several calls for his benching and that we would be better off without him. The one I remember most was the NC St game where he rebounded and missed FT in the last few seconds and tried to go coast to coast but turned it over.
I figure RJ will be the big target next year because he seems like the kind of kid who wants to take every big shot. At some point, he'll miss one and be a ball hog. Zion could also get some heat if he doesn't come in as Vince Carter on Day 1.
We all know that the trouble with our team this year is that every player had a bad and a good side. We never knew what we'd get. Grayson would go 4 for 5 one game and 4 for 17 the next. Duval would be laser focused and then have a game where he was wildly out of control. Wendell could have 3 fouls in 5 minutes and the next 1 foul and a 18-12 line. Basically they played like what they were, a bunch of college kids. That's what makes it so interesting and at times, so painful!
Now Liftee, there you go trying to talk sensible. How dare you. It was all Allen and K's fault. I'm appalled at your attitude sir.
If he ball hogs and plays like crap you'll hear it as you should
Speaking of which, here's a classic from BlueDevilWildcat dated 1/28/17 (emphasis added):
"What is your obsession with not seeing Jason for what he is? After today's game he has the worst +/- on the entire team. Coaches should tell him to focus on D and rebounding and never to pass half court when we're on O. Of course, he'd take that for the coaches wanting him to take half-court shots all game, lol."
It’s kinda coming back to me now and remember some of that. My memory is horrible now. Having not seen much of the 4 I can’t give an opinion other then they (seem) unselfish, and share the ball . Havnt seen much of Zion other then highlights. I actually was complaining or worried about bagley trying and forcing to much early in the season ........as more of the season unfolded it made sense why. i was kinda nitpicking because obviously he carried us. Gotta good feeling about this group though . As long as nobody’s personal, I don’t have any problem with little criticism .Or like I do and vent .
Dude, take a walk down memory lane. In mid-to-late January, Tatum was flat out bad. http://forums.dukebasketballreport....9293-MBB-NC-State-84-Duke-82-Post-Game-Thread
There's not one thing in my post that you quoted that isn't accurate - what about worst +/- is too confusing for you? Tatum got better during the season and has gotten a ton better since Stevens has killed hero ball and made him focus on his D and rebounding while taking high-percentage shots.
As your next point of failed refutation, I hope you can drag up a past comment from me that says Coach K should bench Tatum if he keeps playing hero ball.
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Truck wreck. Woke up tubes and needles and wires and casts freakin catheter just everything you can possible put on a person to keep alive in coma. Nightmare. Miracle also I lived after I died . What makes it worse I JUST!!! bought the truck and only had liability only because I took loan out from the bank for (home improvement )(and was being cheap careless) so I got to pay for a truck that’s sitting like a crushed beer can totaled. Guess that what I get for trying trick the bank..10 k ...down toilet ..nice truck too..whole point was Trying to get out of having to have full coverage with my insurance high and I did....yet bit me right in ash...got to have FC if a vehicle is not payed off in VA . Idk is it different in other states or how that works ... but screwed me .
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What’s funny is there’s a chance that Tatum goes down as the greatest basketball player to come out of Duke yet.
Calling him out for a couple bad games in January when it was obvious he was coming off injury, had zero lift, and was playing his first games ever where he wasn’t by far the most superior athlete means that 1. You’re an idiot. 2. You should choose another sport to try to understand. 3. You should root for Uk because that’s how their fans act.
Calling him out for a couple bad games in January when it was obvious he was coming off injury, had zero lift, and was playing his first games ever where he wasn’t by far the most superior athlete means that 1. You’re an idiot. 2. You should choose another sport to try to understand. 3. You should root for Uk because that’s how their fans act.